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On September 29 2010 18:35 Sqq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 18:31 waxypants wrote:On September 29 2010 18:29 Sqq wrote:On September 29 2010 18:07 kojinshugi wrote:On September 29 2010 17:54 Sqq wrote:
Wow you're references gets worse by the post. I'm glad you've acquired the talent of reusing shitty internet insults, and your effort is far from going unnoticed. Yawn. I never said he didn't play alot, I'm referring to how much of an upper-hand he could get from 2 hours of practicing the night BEFORE the finals. My point was essentially that it might be a reason to why he isn't universally viewed as a top top player by everyone (which anyone who wins an IEM should). But as the flawless and brilliant persona that you are did not make this connection, I'm inclined to believe that you're a) a douche b) mentally challenged, or c) both. He practiced microing a single unit that his build depended on. How fucking hard is that to comprehend? How long do you need to practice reaper micro on the previous day before you can use 3 rax reaper? 4 hours? 6 hours? Wait, you can't use 3 rax reaper, because it's an imba strategy vs Zerg. Morrow should have picked a mediocre strategy that would lower his chances of winning. He should have traveled to Korea and practiced for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, because SC2 is not a competitive game where winning matters, but rather a ritualized martial art where going through the motions and living up to esoteric ideals is the only way to gain respect. The reason he isn't universally viewed as a top player is because he plays Terran (and doesn't do the flashy nukeapaloozas of TLO), and Zerg fanboys are disproportionally represented. again you totally fail to see what I said. The fact that all he needed to do was a few hour practice before his match to get a huge advantage, I'm not sure if you're arguing for the sake of argue or if you're completely dumb. It seems that you are assuming that without practicing his reaper strategy that he would have been way behind or something. No he wouldn't have been far behind, but the fact that 2 hours of practicing gave him a huge advantage is my point. That there is such a unit that you can sit down the day before a fucking final and practice with a few hours and get a huge advantage. I'm sure Morrow would have brought the game to IdrA even without it, but you can't help but feel because of the unit (reaper - terran t1) gave him such a lead, that alot of people felt that when he said "Yeah I used 2 hours the day before to practice the reaper micro" that it leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Sure, so what's the point? Even MorroW said the day after the final this his build was probably OP.
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On September 29 2010 18:36 Seam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 18:35 Sqq wrote:On September 29 2010 18:31 waxypants wrote:On September 29 2010 18:29 Sqq wrote:On September 29 2010 18:07 kojinshugi wrote:On September 29 2010 17:54 Sqq wrote:
Wow you're references gets worse by the post. I'm glad you've acquired the talent of reusing shitty internet insults, and your effort is far from going unnoticed. Yawn. I never said he didn't play alot, I'm referring to how much of an upper-hand he could get from 2 hours of practicing the night BEFORE the finals. My point was essentially that it might be a reason to why he isn't universally viewed as a top top player by everyone (which anyone who wins an IEM should). But as the flawless and brilliant persona that you are did not make this connection, I'm inclined to believe that you're a) a douche b) mentally challenged, or c) both. He practiced microing a single unit that his build depended on. How fucking hard is that to comprehend? How long do you need to practice reaper micro on the previous day before you can use 3 rax reaper? 4 hours? 6 hours? Wait, you can't use 3 rax reaper, because it's an imba strategy vs Zerg. Morrow should have picked a mediocre strategy that would lower his chances of winning. He should have traveled to Korea and practiced for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, because SC2 is not a competitive game where winning matters, but rather a ritualized martial art where going through the motions and living up to esoteric ideals is the only way to gain respect. The reason he isn't universally viewed as a top player is because he plays Terran (and doesn't do the flashy nukeapaloozas of TLO), and Zerg fanboys are disproportionally represented. again you totally fail to see what I said. The fact that all he needed to do was a few hour practice before his match to get a huge advantage, I'm not sure if you're arguing for the sake of argue or if you're completely dumb. It seems that you are assuming that without practicing his reaper strategy that he would have been way behind or something. No he wouldn't have been far behind, but the fact that 2 hours of practicing gave him a huge advantage is my point. That there is such a unit that you can sit down the day before a fucking final and practice with a few hours and get a huge advantage. I'm sure Morrow would have brought the game to IdrA even without it, but you can't help but feel because of the unit (reaper - terran t1) gave him such a lead, that alot of people felt that when he said "Yeah I used 2 hours the day before to practice the reaper micro" that it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Actually, he may have been far behind. If he didn't practice it, the reapers would have died to the lings. This means IdrA spends less gas and minerals on Roaches and lings, which means more drones, which would have put him far ahead, actually. Not to mention a faster lair.
I feel like I've derailed this thread. What you say might or might not be true, my point was as my first post about it that his comment about the 2 hour practice was a deciding reason why he won (said so himself), might be one of the reasons why people not seing him as a top top player in the same breath as idra etc. If he for some reason showed he could perform with Zerg for example I would have to eat my own words from the IEM thread. MorroW seems like a sound guy irl, I'm just not sure if he is as good as his victory in IEM should have been seen as.
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On September 29 2010 18:29 Sqq wrote:
again you totally fail to see what I said. The fact that all he needed to do was a few hour practice before his match to get a huge advantage, I'm not sure if you're arguing for the sake of argue or if you're completely dumb.
Practicing unit specific micro for a few hours to physically prepare for a match is not equatable with how many hours a day someone practices in general. Which is what you said originally. Which was a dumb thing to say, since Morrow didn't win with some reaper all-in.
Anyway, it's useless to keep arguing. You keep glossing over my actual argument and just stating the same provably ridiculous thing over and over. Have fun with that.
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On September 29 2010 18:40 waxypants wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 18:35 Sqq wrote:On September 29 2010 18:31 waxypants wrote:On September 29 2010 18:29 Sqq wrote:On September 29 2010 18:07 kojinshugi wrote:On September 29 2010 17:54 Sqq wrote:
Wow you're references gets worse by the post. I'm glad you've acquired the talent of reusing shitty internet insults, and your effort is far from going unnoticed. Yawn. I never said he didn't play alot, I'm referring to how much of an upper-hand he could get from 2 hours of practicing the night BEFORE the finals. My point was essentially that it might be a reason to why he isn't universally viewed as a top top player by everyone (which anyone who wins an IEM should). But as the flawless and brilliant persona that you are did not make this connection, I'm inclined to believe that you're a) a douche b) mentally challenged, or c) both. He practiced microing a single unit that his build depended on. How fucking hard is that to comprehend? How long do you need to practice reaper micro on the previous day before you can use 3 rax reaper? 4 hours? 6 hours? Wait, you can't use 3 rax reaper, because it's an imba strategy vs Zerg. Morrow should have picked a mediocre strategy that would lower his chances of winning. He should have traveled to Korea and practiced for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, because SC2 is not a competitive game where winning matters, but rather a ritualized martial art where going through the motions and living up to esoteric ideals is the only way to gain respect. The reason he isn't universally viewed as a top player is because he plays Terran (and doesn't do the flashy nukeapaloozas of TLO), and Zerg fanboys are disproportionally represented. again you totally fail to see what I said. The fact that all he needed to do was a few hour practice before his match to get a huge advantage, I'm not sure if you're arguing for the sake of argue or if you're completely dumb. It seems that you are assuming that without practicing his reaper strategy that he would have been way behind or something. No he wouldn't have been far behind, but the fact that 2 hours of practicing gave him a huge advantage is my point. That there is such a unit that you can sit down the day before a fucking final and practice with a few hours and get a huge advantage. I'm sure Morrow would have brought the game to IdrA even without it, but you can't help but feel because of the unit (reaper - terran t1) gave him such a lead, that alot of people felt that when he said "Yeah I used 2 hours the day before to practice the reaper micro" that it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Sure, so what's the point? Even MorroW said the day after the final this his build was probably OP.
Read what I just said... And read my first post.
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On September 29 2010 17:09 IdrA wrote:
saying you were the third best sc1 terran outside of korea, which is arguable in itself, is like saying you're the third smartest kid in the special class.
Well being one of the worst kids in the special class in Korea doesnt sound any better. Lets not downgrade each other, shall we?
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On September 29 2010 18:07 kojinshugi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 17:54 Sqq wrote:
Wow you're references gets worse by the post. I'm glad you've acquired the talent of reusing shitty internet insults, and your effort is far from going unnoticed. Yawn. Show nested quote +I never said he didn't play alot, I'm referring to how much of an upper-hand he could get from 2 hours of practicing the night BEFORE the finals. My point was essentially that it might be a reason to why he isn't universally viewed as a top top player by everyone (which anyone who wins an IEM should). But as the flawless and brilliant persona that you are did not make this connection, I'm inclined to believe that you're a) a douche b) mentally challenged, or c) both. He practiced microing a single unit that his build depended on. How fucking hard is that to comprehend? How long do you need to practice reaper micro on the previous day before you can use 3 rax reaper? 4 hours? 6 hours? Wait, you can't use 3 rax reaper, because it's an imba strategy vs Zerg. Morrow should have picked a mediocre strategy that would lower his chances of winning. He should have traveled to Korea and practiced for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, because SC2 is not a competitive game where winning matters, but rather a ritualized martial art where going through the motions and living up to esoteric ideals is the only way to gain respect. The reason he isn't universally viewed as a top player is because he plays Terran (and doesn't do the flashy nukeapaloozas of TLO), and Zerg fanboys are disproportionally represented.
While I agree on some level, I think the reason I never looked at Morrow as a top-level player is because of his past manner/issues on BW. Hes just a total dick sometimes, in the same vein of Idra. (for what its worth, I dont have idra in my top 5 zerg in the world.. sure, best outside of korea but not near the top in korea for me)
My favorite terrans outside of korea/TLO is Lucifron, ive been more impressed with him even tho he has less results.. But I think Brat_OK is the best performing terran outside of korea/TLO.
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On September 29 2010 18:43 Sqq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 18:36 Seam wrote:On September 29 2010 18:35 Sqq wrote:On September 29 2010 18:31 waxypants wrote:On September 29 2010 18:29 Sqq wrote:On September 29 2010 18:07 kojinshugi wrote:On September 29 2010 17:54 Sqq wrote:
Wow you're references gets worse by the post. I'm glad you've acquired the talent of reusing shitty internet insults, and your effort is far from going unnoticed. Yawn. I never said he didn't play alot, I'm referring to how much of an upper-hand he could get from 2 hours of practicing the night BEFORE the finals. My point was essentially that it might be a reason to why he isn't universally viewed as a top top player by everyone (which anyone who wins an IEM should). But as the flawless and brilliant persona that you are did not make this connection, I'm inclined to believe that you're a) a douche b) mentally challenged, or c) both. He practiced microing a single unit that his build depended on. How fucking hard is that to comprehend? How long do you need to practice reaper micro on the previous day before you can use 3 rax reaper? 4 hours? 6 hours? Wait, you can't use 3 rax reaper, because it's an imba strategy vs Zerg. Morrow should have picked a mediocre strategy that would lower his chances of winning. He should have traveled to Korea and practiced for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, because SC2 is not a competitive game where winning matters, but rather a ritualized martial art where going through the motions and living up to esoteric ideals is the only way to gain respect. The reason he isn't universally viewed as a top player is because he plays Terran (and doesn't do the flashy nukeapaloozas of TLO), and Zerg fanboys are disproportionally represented. again you totally fail to see what I said. The fact that all he needed to do was a few hour practice before his match to get a huge advantage, I'm not sure if you're arguing for the sake of argue or if you're completely dumb. It seems that you are assuming that without practicing his reaper strategy that he would have been way behind or something. No he wouldn't have been far behind, but the fact that 2 hours of practicing gave him a huge advantage is my point. That there is such a unit that you can sit down the day before a fucking final and practice with a few hours and get a huge advantage. I'm sure Morrow would have brought the game to IdrA even without it, but you can't help but feel because of the unit (reaper - terran t1) gave him such a lead, that alot of people felt that when he said "Yeah I used 2 hours the day before to practice the reaper micro" that it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Actually, he may have been far behind. If he didn't practice it, the reapers would have died to the lings. This means IdrA spends less gas and minerals on Roaches and lings, which means more drones, which would have put him far ahead, actually. Not to mention a faster lair. I feel like I've derailed this thread. What you say might or might not be true, my point was as my first post about it that his comment about the 2 hour practice was a deciding reason why he won (said so himself), might be one of the reasons why people not seing him as a top top player in the same breath as idra etc. If he for some reason showed he could perform with Zerg for example I would have to eat my own words from the IEM thread. MorroW seems like a sound guy irl, I'm just not sure if he is as good as his victory in IEM should have been seen as.
I would love to see him do well as zerg.
Sadly, if he fails it becomes another "ZERG IS UP, TERRAN IS EASY TO PLAY!" thing
And if he does well it's a "SEE?! ZERG IS FINE! YOU JUST NEED TO NOT SUCK! TERRAN IS JUST AS HARD!!" thing.
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On September 29 2010 18:44 kojinshugi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 18:29 Sqq wrote:
again you totally fail to see what I said. The fact that all he needed to do was a few hour practice before his match to get a huge advantage, I'm not sure if you're arguing for the sake of argue or if you're completely dumb.
Practicing unit specific micro for a few hours to physically prepare for a match is not equatable with how many hours a day someone practices in general. Which is what you said originally. Which was a dumb thing to say, since Morrow didn't win with some reaper all-in. Anyway, it's useless to keep arguing. You keep glossing over my actual argument and just stating the same provably ridiculous thing over and over. Have fun with that.
No I'm not glossing over anything I just feel you're totally ignoring what I said in the first post about it might be a reason why people universially don't see him as a top top player because of the way he won the final. He was smart, I'm not denying that, I just pointed to it being a reason why the feelings about his skill is so devided.
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On September 29 2010 18:44 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 17:09 IdrA wrote:
saying you were the third best sc1 terran outside of korea, which is arguable in itself, is like saying you're the third smartest kid in the special class. Well being one of the worst kids in the special class in Korea doesnt sound any better. Lets not downgrade each other, shall we?
hahahahahaha, awesome
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On September 29 2010 18:31 Seam wrote:
Not to be mean, but you're gold. What do you even know of micro practice?
Don't worry, I put that on my profile on purpose so people who don't know what argumentation is could impale themselves on their ad hominems.
Give one reason why you know that practicing for 2 hours on microing one unit > 12 hours a day microing many units.
I don't know any such thing. What I do know is that those things aren't comparable at all. They're not the same fucking thing.
Tactical control of a specific unit in a specific situation (early game zerg) is what Morrow practiced for 2 hours (allegedly).
Tactical control of multiple units in multiple situations and matchups, along with overall strategy and macromanagement is what Idra practices for 12 hours a day (allegedly).
Comparing the two is absolutely ridiculous because they're not comparable. Comparing the two assumes that Morrow doesn't practice the same things that Idra does.
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Jeez, you should stop with this reaper thing. He did what he did to win, and if you want to blame someone for this "lame" strat working it should be Blizzard, not Morrow. Don't forget the definition of scrub : "it's someone who refuses to use certain tactics because he finds them not honorable, thus crippling his ability to win". Are you all scrubs ? I don't think so. So please stop this endless argument.
As much as I dislike Morrow's standing about Z balance (and I really think he's completely out of the reality when he says Z is ok, people just need to L2P), there is no denying that he is at least better overall than all the other foreign Terran players, since he won the most tournaments. And that in itself is quite a feat. I'm really happy he's trying Zerg, good luck (you'll need some imo).
Stop also with BW ratings. Different game is different.
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On September 29 2010 18:16 Rawenkeke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 06:44 lololol wrote:On September 29 2010 06:42 Nazza wrote:
a losing streak automatically means Zerg? since when? lol He lost something like 1000 points. So, morrow was 2.7k pts? Highly doubt that, he lost 150-250Max.
http://www.sc2ranks.com/team/4342148
He went from 2010 to 1903
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I give it two weeks before he's back playing Terran.
Also, Morrow, can you give us your opinion on Zerg in a week? Do you feel they're UP? What issues, if any, do you think they possess? If so, what changes do you feel need to happen?
Also, idrA fighting~! ^^ Z(._ .z)
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On September 29 2010 18:45 Sqq wrote:
No I'm not glossing over anything I just feel you're totally ignoring what I said in the first post about it might be a reason why people universially don't see him as a top top player because of the way he won the final. He was smart, I'm not denying that, I just pointed to it being a reason why the feelings about his skill is so devided.
I don't disagree that a good number of people think Morrow's win was "cheap". I just the think the reasoning you presented for that (2 hours vs 12 hours) is absurd.
I also think most of those people are self-flagellating Zerg players who have "too much self respect" to play any other race.
3 rax reaper is really strong against zerg. To not use a strong build against zerg because it's "cheap" is silly.
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On September 29 2010 18:03 Grimmy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 17:39 Foogs wrote:
IdrA I would love to hear your take on why Cool is having so much success in the GSL. Is it because he is mixing his game up so much and predicting builds of the other players? Or is it because he's extremely lucky?
This isn't a jab at all, just curious to what you think. Sorry if I missed your take on it in another thread somewhere. MAXIMUM RE-SPECT *snaps fingers like ali g* Cool said he only wins 10% of the practice matches against his team mates as Zerg.
And this means what? Cool is extremely lucky and played only 10% of the Protoss/Zergs in the tournament?
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On September 29 2010 18:55 kojinshugi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 18:45 Sqq wrote:
No I'm not glossing over anything I just feel you're totally ignoring what I said in the first post about it might be a reason why people universially don't see him as a top top player because of the way he won the final. He was smart, I'm not denying that, I just pointed to it being a reason why the feelings about his skill is so devided. I don't disagree that a good number of people think Morrow's win was "cheap". I just the think the reasoning you presented for that (2 hours vs 12 hours) is absurd. I also think most of those people are self-flagellating Zerg players who have "too much self respect" to play any other race. 3 rax reaper is really strong against zerg. To not use a strong build against zerg because it's "cheap" is silly.
My point is that it just goes to show how huge advantage a terran unit can give you. The point was that people might not hold him in high regards because of this fact (check out the IEM thread after Morrows win). I would have used it myself in a heart beat, All I tried to get across was that the win vs IdrA and the fashion might be the reason why he isn't universally seen as the player he probably should be. If you look a few pages back he even says he might be the most underrated player atm, and he might be true. I only wrote it to give him a perspective on why this might be the case 
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On September 29 2010 18:30 kojinshugi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 18:21 Angelbelow wrote:
theres a difference between giving your opinion about something and being bitter. i think IdrA is just speaking his mind, whats wrong with that? he simply doesnt believe morrow was on his or level or the players hes mentioned. certainly doesnt sound bitter to me.
unless i missed it i dont see where he complains about him losing the GSL because of imbalance or whatever. Publicly stating that the guy who beat you at a major tournament is the third smartest retard in special ed class isn't bitter?
That comment was not directed towards morrow. He used that as an exaggerated analogy to show that he didn't agree with what was said.
Besides he wasn't even directly responding to morrow's post, just someone who stated an opinion which he didnt agree with.
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On September 29 2010 19:00 Foogs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 18:03 Grimmy wrote:On September 29 2010 17:39 Foogs wrote:
IdrA I would love to hear your take on why Cool is having so much success in the GSL. Is it because he is mixing his game up so much and predicting builds of the other players? Or is it because he's extremely lucky?
This isn't a jab at all, just curious to what you think. Sorry if I missed your take on it in another thread somewhere. MAXIMUM RE-SPECT *snaps fingers like ali g* Cool said he only wins 10% of the practice matches against his team mates as Zerg. And this means what? Cool is extremely lucky and played only 10% of the Protoss/Zergs in the tournament?
That he is ALOT better than the ppl he played against. Against someone equally skilled he only wins 10% of the games.
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props to Morrow for trying out new stuff with his rating.
Don't understand all the hate in here.
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