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nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
September 29 2010 11:53 GMT
#461
Morrow could win several tournaments with zerg and it would prove absolutely nothing and people would still believe what they want to believe.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 12:40:25
September 29 2010 11:59 GMT
#462
On September 29 2010 17:09 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:
Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.

Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.



roflwhat
he cheated his way to that ladder score. it was technically within the rules but it was certainly not legit. he was nothing at bw. saying you were the third best sc1 terran outside of korea, which is arguable in itself, is like saying you're the third smartest kid in the special class.

just because sc1 progamer skill level of bar is x100000 higher than anything else in this world at anything doesnt mean sc1 top gamers outside korea shouldnt tap themselves on the shoulders for accomplishing that.
i dont wanna bring up old tsl but there were way more top foreigners dodging me than me dodging them, but obviously that never reached out to the public.

if u remove korea from sc1 it was still according to me and this is my opinion was just as competitive as the other top games were. its understandable that u see everything as being special class after living in korea playing with those sc1 progamers but in reality ur just skyrocket above and we sc1 foreigners were on the normal class


On September 29 2010 17:17 Seam wrote:
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On September 29 2010 17:12 kojinshugi wrote:
On September 29 2010 16:55 Sqq wrote:
FAO MorroW. I think one of the reason you're seen as "overrated" because of your race is the comment at IEM. IdrA - spending 12 hours a day practicing his race, and you said "I used a few hours yesterday to practice my reaper micro". It just goes to show how ridiculous Terran was \ is.


Even if he did say that, let's analyze what it is and why you're talking out of your ass:

Spending several hours practicing microing a single unit the day before

vs

Spending 12 hours a day practicing his entire race

It's like you're comparing bacon to the Olympics.


Actually, I believe his actual quote was 2 hours.

Gonna look it up, however.

i practiced it a few hours before dimaga game and then about 10 hours before the idra finals which was during the party and very early in the morning. and that straight up for 1 special build is actually alot since i didnt really have to learn anything else about my race because i already knew it, just had to practice that special opening. if u think this is short time for 1 opening then ur on my side thinking sc2 is too easy of a game aswell


On September 29 2010 17:34 IdrA wrote:
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On September 29 2010 17:30 ilbh wrote:
On September 29 2010 17:09 IdrA wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:
Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.

Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.



roflwhat
he cheated his way to that ladder score. it was technically within the rules but it was certainly not legit. he was nothing at bw. saying you were the third best sc1 terran outside of korea, which is arguable in itself, is like saying you're the third smartest kid in the special class.



almost everyone cheated dodging koreans. anyway, he is one of the best foreigners in SC2 and you can't deny that. he is switching from T to Zerg, you should support him lol

oh i absolutely support it since it'll prove what a joke the game is right now without risking the reputation of one of the 5 remaining competitive zergs.

but people mentioning him in the same breath as me nony and ret for sc1 cannot happen, especially on the basis of that ladder.

idra u shouldnt even be compared to ret or nony since u were clearly above them aswell, just cause nony won u in whatever doesnt mean alot. but its hilariously how u can group up with them in here just to disclude me from it while we both know and think u were above all foreigners by a significant margin.
this just goes to show how hard u really wanna put me down like u always have ever since i entered the scene

On September 29 2010 17:48 ilbh wrote:
we have to admit it is kind of retarded to switch to another race when you are at the top.
he would need a month to be good as zerg and even then he can't be sure if he would be also at the top as zerg.

so, I don't think he will keep playing as zerg. he was probably just checking/testing the race.

on my way home today from school i just felt it inside me, the spirit to just get home and practice all the damn day. i felt that spark every day playing sc1 and some periods of sc2, then ive just dropped it more and more lately with terran, why? because i dont see much room to improve in my race and i dont have many questions that practicing can answer. when i go home today i have so much to learn with zerg and i realize already how hard it will be, and thats what thrills me to practice. playing 2 hours a day with terran kept me on the top but i dont wanna win without deserving it. i wasnt super happy to win iem because i knew i wouldnt have won it if it was a fair game, i get so happy to lose and learn while winning over and over without learning anything isnt so motivating to practice. thats just who i am and thats why im eager to switch race because im pretty sure blizzard wont make the game any more difficult to play


On September 29 2010 19:40 oZii wrote:
Agreed that this is a bit out of hand. I'm all for loving your Race but people in here are acting like its the Civil War its not that serious folks. I mean idrA played terran in SC1 and switched to Zerg and he is great player and all zergs swear by his word but really seriously in the end anyone can play whatever they want. To much elitism in here from people that aren't even close to the same level as idrA or morrow. Acting like they are protecting thier precious zerg. TT1 plays Toss most of the time but on his stream he will play Zerg and is pretty good at it. No one is bashing him. Its like Morrow is the Anti-Christ in this thread. Let him get the timings down and larvae management down. I'm sure he will do fine. Remember he pretty much does this for a living. Many people here posting are probably at work flaming him and right now Morrow is probably at home practicing non-stop putting in hours in that most people in this thread just can't do. That alone should tell you that if he does "suck" it won't be for long.

actually i go to school like most normal in sweden
ppl expect me to be this massgamer but what ive said already in this thread is that 0-2 hours every day has been enough practice to keep me on top of the scene ever since release, which is absolutely ridiculous display of how little esport sc2 actually is. ive spend about 10 times more time playing events such as tournament or clanwars than practicing and it didnt bring me down. and this is what unmotivates me to practice with the terran race

so with that way of thought i can arguably say that trying to squeeze in 3-6 hours of practice each day with zerg should compensate for the difficulty of switching race, zerg race in general and the imbalance. ofcourse it will take a while to adapt so i dont see why anyone would use my loss streak as an argument in any decision right now
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
Ascorius
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway275 Posts
September 29 2010 12:13 GMT
#463
Hehe,I love IdrA's arguments (not being sarcastic), he really knows how to put someone down in the "inernet style".

I know its not really an option for you MorroW, since sc2 prolly is your main source of income. But could you play a tournie as zerg? You have said yourself the skillcap is pretty low so it shouldnt be a problem, right? You have the aggressive expanding attittude already (which makes you one of the best terrans), so zerg shouldnt be that hard,,, I might be wrong though. You have good mechanics so it would be nice to see you play something that didnt rely on OP units and OP harass. If you started winning as zerg you would become a friggin hero.
aRRR
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands21 Posts
September 29 2010 12:15 GMT
#464
The real question is, does SC2 has a future with it being too easy?
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
September 29 2010 12:21 GMT
#465
On September 29 2010 17:18 skronch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 17:09 IdrA wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:
Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.

Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.



roflwhat
he cheated his way to that ladder score. it was technically within the rules but it was certainly not legit. he was nothing at bw. saying you were the third best sc1 terran outside of korea, which is arguable in itself, is like saying you're the third smartest kid in the special class.

lol YES bring it on. this has to be a grudgematch in the making.


I'm pretty sure they already had that grudgematch
I'll call Nada.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 29 2010 12:26 GMT
#466
On September 29 2010 21:15 aRRR wrote:
The real question is, does SC2 has a future with it being too easy?


Being a 10 billion company with a reputation, i would say YES.

Still 2 expansions to go. And around 189423754618974 patches.
I had a good night of sleep.
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
September 29 2010 12:31 GMT
#467
Shame you're going zerg Morrow, as you were definitely one of the most solid terran out there, but I'll be looking forward to seeing you smash face as zerg after getting some practice with the race.

Swe-power!
Grimmy
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa29 Posts
September 29 2010 12:35 GMT
#468
On September 29 2010 20:59 MorroW wrote:
when i go home today i have so much to learn with zerg and i realize already how hard it will be, and thats what thrills me to practice. playing 2 hours a day with terran kept me on the top but i dont wanna win without deserving it. i wasnt super happy to win iem because i knew i wouldnt have won it if it was a fair game, i get so happy to lose and learn while winning over and over without learning anything isnt so motivating to practice. thats just who i am and thats why im eager to switch race because im pretty sure blizzard wont make the game any more difficult to play


Wanting to play Zerg because you want to challenge yourself more, I really respect your attitude. Sadly yes at the moment Terran players don't get a lot of recognition for winning because the scales are not balanced. I honestly hope you do well with Zerg, +1 Zerg and -1 Terran in tournaments is a win in my book anyday (Getting a bit tired of watching TvTs :D).
Hellbike
Profile Joined July 2010
39 Posts
September 29 2010 12:36 GMT
#469
IdrA is such a bully, Morrow already said IdrA is better player than him, but he just keep pushing.
Arakash
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany124 Posts
September 29 2010 12:41 GMT
#470
where did all the sportmanship go? c'mon guys, this is still SPORT, please act like it! >_>

I wish this thread gets locked, too much hate here, even the pro-gamers ...
Heimlich
Profile Joined September 2010
United States20 Posts
September 29 2010 12:42 GMT
#471
MorroW don't forget you beat IdrA in the Mia Rose Invitational Fictonal Tournament!
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 12:46:52
September 29 2010 12:44 GMT
#472
On September 29 2010 21:15 aRRR wrote:
The real question is, does SC2 has a future with it being too easy?

YES, here is the real question people. this is the exact question ive been walking around with in my pocket after 5 days of beta. this is the exact thing i want to figure out by testing out zerg, is it harder or is sc2 in general just too easy

this topic is what i value far beyond any balance, who is better than who, is the game fun to watch discussions
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
baller
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
527 Posts
September 29 2010 12:44 GMT
#473
i think there is only 1 way to settle this...

invite morrow and idra to play vs each other at a LAN Bo5 finals for a lot of money. maybe ESL should do it? they could make an event out of it, maybe even invite a lot of other players. maybe they could expand it to 16 players instead of 2 then more ppl would go watch. and they could have qualifiers for the players and some invites too. maybe have it in germany since thats where ESL has a big presence... not berlin though maybe cologne? and fly the players there and have them play on a big stage.

itd be awesome if we had something like that to decide whos better
Dreamscythe
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland273 Posts
September 29 2010 12:46 GMT
#474
Morrow got self respect and dont play as Terran anymore.
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Oscar Wilde
Amadi
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland139 Posts
September 29 2010 12:47 GMT
#475
On September 29 2010 21:36 Hellbike wrote:
IdrA is such a bully, Morrow already said IdrA is better player than him, but he just keep pushing.


As a zerg player, I can understand. He probably got paired with someone slightly below himself in skill level and lost after seeing the opponent do a dozen mistakes, quality of which would mean autoloss if the opponent was playing Zerg.

On September 29 2010 20:28 sadyque wrote:
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On September 29 2010 20:18 Arakash wrote:
On September 29 2010 20:00 guitarizt wrote:
Maybe he can teach us to nydus.


and neural parasite :D

would be too funny if he really would come up with a neural parasite+Nydus push :D

You know what would be more funny? Cool winning GSL and Morrow starting to wtfpwn with zerg. Mb then all zerg players will shut the fuck up about balance.


They still won't, as Zerg will still be exceedingly unbalanced at lower levels of play where players do not have 850 APS. APS standing for actions per second. Where that "lower levels of play" encompasses some 99.99% of the total population of sc2.
MRMultiBryn
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden78 Posts
September 29 2010 12:48 GMT
#476
On September 29 2010 21:44 baller wrote:
i think there is only 1 way to settle this...

invite morrow and idra to play vs each other at a LAN Bo5 finals for a lot of money. maybe ESL should do it? they could make an event out of it, maybe even invite a lot of other players. maybe they could expand it to 16 players instead of 2 then more ppl would go watch. and they could have qualifiers for the players and some invites too. maybe have it in germany since thats where ESL has a big presence... not berlin though maybe cologne? and fly the players there and have them play on a big stage.

itd be awesome if we had something like that to decide whos better


I see what you did right there.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 12:52:01
September 29 2010 12:49 GMT
#477
u dont read what i write at all do u? ive said many times idra is better than us all and should fucking be because he was in sc1 and is currently more dedicated and experienced than anyone else in the sc2 scene (exception of a few koreans).
but just because idra is better doesnt mean he should win everything, or play perfect for that matter. if u see him lose or if he see himself lose shouldnt go right to the imbalance discussion because even flash and jaedong makes for upsets

why do ppl want a grudge match, idra has a grudge against most ppl and i dont have any grudge against him

rep pack inc! of day 1 (yesterday)
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
September 29 2010 12:56 GMT
#478
Well I do respect you so much, you think the game is fun when you lose and you have challenge, the others start the imbalance stuff and being aggressive with you because they lose...
I´m really becoming #1 fan of yours ...
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
September 29 2010 12:56 GMT
#479
Comon morrow post replaypack already!
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
fevax
Profile Joined February 2010
Turkey143 Posts
September 29 2010 12:57 GMT
#480
Much respect to you Morrow. I hope you become very good at zerg and use it as your main race.
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