EPT[Interview] GSL RO16 Day 1 Cool vs TOP winner - Page 5
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On September 25 2010 01:15 attackfighter wrote: Interesting, he seems to think the patch helped Zerg a lot. Contrasts with idra's recent statement regarding it. he should have lost to someone 1/5th as skilled as him, it doesnt really matter what he says | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On September 25 2010 10:29 IdrA wrote: he should have lost to someone 1/5th as skilled as him, it doesnt really matter what he says What do you think about game 3? o.- | ||
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
I was really impressed with Cool's play in game 1 in particular. He just had to multitask so much harder than the Terran player, utilizing mutas, lings, roaches, baneling drops and just the right amount of stall for Ultras. Tastosis commented on how he's going for everything but truly for Zerg since there are such a lack of units you really do have to upgrade 4-6 different things to have the same sort of tactical variety as the other races. Each upgrade taking up 100 or more gass, it's just a pain. Everything has a speed upgrade, baneling, roach, ling, overlord, and unlike charge and blink or stim, the units are pretty damn useless without the upgrade. On September 25 2010 10:29 IdrA wrote: he should have lost to someone 1/5th as skilled as him, it doesnt really matter what he says Could you elaborate, Idra? Do you mean that cool should've lost to top, who is 1/5 as skilled, because of the current imbalance? Also what'd you think of Cool's play in this series overall? Game 2 seemed like he had a nice tactic with hiding the nydus from scan but unfortunately Top went blue flame. Also I think Cool wanted to end the game right there so he had to go after and try to surround those hellions rather than just doing some econ damage. I feel that could've ended the game if Top had gone anything but blueflame. | ||
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pencilcase
United States330 Posts
On September 25 2010 10:28 Cedstick wrote: No, pencilcase, he played terribly. His control and decision making were crap. He got the jump on TOP and should've used that to go straight for the workers, killing his economy. He should've been micro'ing right from the start, and not rallying right in to Hellions. No, he would have gotten like 5 workers this way, and then all his lings would have been roasted by igniter hellions. It would have been very easy for TOP to move his hellions into the mineral line and surround them with SCVs. I don't see how Cool would have killed any of TOP's army once the SCVs are involved. Cool's strat was so all in that he basically needed to win with his lings at that point. There was no way for him to be happy with just a few SCV kills. 1 base Zerg versus 1 base Terran is pretty much instant loss. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
On September 25 2010 01:16 KamikazeFrog wrote: Thank god, Cool isn't going to switch  i saw that and CRIED TEARS OF HAPPINESS! (probably kinda tied in with his win over oGsTOP though too) | ||
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Owen523
United Kingdom11 Posts
On September 25 2010 10:37 epik640x wrote: Could you elaborate, Idra? Do you mean that cool should've lost to top, who is 1/5 as skilled, because of the current imbalance? Also what'd you think of Cool's play in this series overall? Game 2 seemed like he had a nice tactic with hiding the nydus from scan but unfortunately Top went blue flame. Also I think Cool wanted to end the game right there so he had to go after and try to surround those hellions rather than just doing some econ damage. I feel that could've ended the game if Top had gone anything but blueflame. I think he means that he should have lost the match due to game 3 (where even Cool said he was about to gg), and that top is a much worse player. Basically, because zerg sucks so much he almost lost a match which he should have taken easily. Baller 1st post imo. | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On September 25 2010 10:49 pencilcase wrote: No, he would have gotten like 5 workers this way, and then all his lings would have been roasted by igniter hellions. It would have been very easy for TOP to move his hellions into the mineral line and surround them with SCVs. I don't see how Cool would have killed any of TOP's army once the SCVs are involved. He needed to have had 3/4 of his lings chase the helions, while ~1/4 worked the mineral line. If the workers turn to attack the lings, run away. Waste mining time, etc. | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
Seriously, go back and watch that game, pencilcase. He played like ass. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On September 25 2010 10:37 epik640x wrote: Could you elaborate, Idra? Do you mean that cool should've lost to top, who is 1/5 as skilled, because of the current imbalance? Also what'd you think of Cool's play in this series overall? Game 2 seemed like he had a nice tactic with hiding the nydus from scan but unfortunately Top went blue flame. Also I think Cool wanted to end the game right there so he had to go after and try to surround those hellions rather than just doing some econ damage. I feel that could've ended the game if Top had gone anything but blueflame. game 3 he lost, if top attacked at any point, or put anything on the ledge above cools natural, or made anything but pure thor, no way cool could win. top literally did everything in his power to make cool win after he started his expansion. and game 1 cool went hatch first with no scout vs someone who does proxy rax reaper 80% of his games, it was actually even riskier than the pure ling nydus game 2, he just got away with it. | ||
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Domonic
United States135 Posts
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On September 25 2010 11:39 Domonic wrote: Can anyone tell me what happened with CheckPrime? ?? hes playing monday | ||
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pencilcase
United States330 Posts
On September 25 2010 11:09 Cedstick wrote: Nightfalls got the idea. Group your lings, don't suicide-file them in to the Hellion. Easier to surround, and keeps the Hellions busy -- if not dead -- while a third of your lings do their thing in the SCV line. Seriously, go back and watch that game, pencilcase. He played like ass. Once he moves his hellions into his own SCV line, he can just repair them indefintely with no need to kite at all. Lings would have melted really quickly with much less damage. And 1/4 of his lings on the SCVs would have been insufficient to surround them. Seriously, if TOP just put his SCV's on autorepair and made a wall with them, their was no way for Cool to kill any SCV without completely surrounding the whole group by using all his lings. It's not like Cool had hundreds of lings to start with. He only had like 30 and lings have really crappy DPS unless you commit all of them to surround. And Cool tried really hard to surround the hellions, it's just really difficult without creep. There's a reason Cool went for the units first: he absolutely needed to finish them off before they could run back to the mineral line and use SCVs as a shield. Moving lings back toward the mineral line would have only made TOP's job easier. Again, I'm not saying that either player played perfectly. But I am arguing that Cool's decision making was perfectly justifiable. Can any of you provide any micro technique Cool could have used to win that game given both player's starting Build Orders? From what I'm hearing, it seems like by following your advice Cool may have gotten a few more workers and killed a few less fighting units, certainly nowhere near enough to have kept him in the game. I don't want to make a big deal out of this, just arguing since I've tried mass ling all ins like this before and it's very surprising how slowly even a large group of lings deal damage and how quickly they can die to a handful of units. | ||
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Kao
24 Posts
I think it will be another Koreancraft | ||
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AbsentLover
Romania84 Posts
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archon256
United States363 Posts
On September 25 2010 17:21 AbsentLover wrote: Funny how this positive review of zerg gets 5 pages of reply, yet his pre-patch statement of zerg being too UP got SEVENTY pages of replies. whiners will whine Whining leads to counter-whining. It's a vicious cycle ^^ | ||
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jojoleb
Lebanon180 Posts
or are they available on youtube ? | ||
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