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Fruitseller (Cool) may change his race in GSL #2 - Page 9

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Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
September 23 2010 17:54 GMT
#161
If nothing is done within the next year, we will have essentially a 2 race game, maybe even just a 1 race game. 5 seconds added to reapers and bunkers and siege tank nerf really aren't enough. Zerg needs to be changed, not terran although terran nerfs will help. This is really sad to see as I love playing zerg.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 23 2010 17:55 GMT
#162
Make Hydras T1 and Roaches T2 + bring back Organic Carapace + Hydra Speed

Will help Zerg a lot early game. Might not be balanced but would be better than this atm.
Cloak
Profile Joined October 2009
United States816 Posts
September 23 2010 17:55 GMT
#163
On September 24 2010 02:54 SeaSmoke wrote:
Nooooooo fruitseller...! One of our finest generals...

I agree dropships are a pain in the ass to handle. But how would you fix that? Make them more expensive? Nerf healing? How about nerf capacity?


Marauders should cost 4 spaces like the Dragoon did.
The more you know, the less you understand.
Easy772
Profile Joined May 2010
374 Posts
September 23 2010 17:55 GMT
#164
Wait, even after the patch Zerg is underpowered according to Cool?

Are we for sure this is the real Cool?
"The best way to improve is to play one matchup on one map doing one strategy.. if you are good at one strategy you are a good player, if you are okay at many strategies you are an okay player at best" -Day[9] 181
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 17:56:03
September 23 2010 17:55 GMT
#165
On September 24 2010 02:50 Lomak wrote:
Terrans werent bad in the beta they were just fucking stupid.

Remember how many people during beta thought siege tanks were worthless?

They were kinda meh for a while... They received a TON of buffs (splash buff, hp buff, build time buff, and other units got nerfed - such as roaches).
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
September 23 2010 17:55 GMT
#166
On September 24 2010 02:54 SeaSmoke wrote:
Nooooooo fruitseller...! One of our finest generals...

I agree dropships are a pain in the ass to handle. But how would you fix that? Make them more expensive? Nerf healing? How about nerf capacity?


Add scourge. With marauders, Terran drops are even more dangerous than in bw. So one of Terran's many options has become more lethal, and yet Zerg's most efficient counter has been removed. Doesn't make sense.
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
September 23 2010 17:56 GMT
#167
On September 24 2010 02:21 rackdude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:20 TheFinalWord wrote:
"If I maintain my muta number, I can't win." I wonder what this means?


Maybe it meant "even" if I maintain my muta number.

well muta ling/bane will always be the #1 zvt strategy always and forever because theres no possible way you can protect yourself from drops but it greatly hinders your tech/upgrades/ground force
i learned this the hard way when i played players like cauthonluck who always do multi drops while pushing and expanding
you need air so he doesnt have so much drop freedom
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4200 Posts
September 23 2010 17:56 GMT
#168
On September 24 2010 02:50 zyzski wrote:
would be nice to see how the win %'s changed after the patch.
i feel like half the P's that were 2 gaters are going to drop dramatically and Z will go up.

Win % means nothing since zerg players will be matched with lower skilled players due to imbalance.
( ・´ー・`)
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3050 Posts
September 23 2010 17:57 GMT
#169
This is sad indeed. :[
I really don't expect to fix Zerg fast but patch 1.1 was disappointing imo. Zerg really needs changes.
End my suffering
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
September 23 2010 17:57 GMT
#170
On September 24 2010 02:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:48 RxN wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:47 TheYango wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:44 Nachtigaller wrote:
have you ever played world of warcraft?
for those of you who dont:
with the addon wrath of the lichking they introduced a new class, the death knight.
It was so unbelievably overpowered that it could 3-4 shot any other class in pvp, was nearly unkillable and had huge control over the match.
It took them 6 month to fix them even if they always said that "they are aware of the issue".
I dont expect them to tune zerg up in the near future.

You say that like 6 months is a long time.


It is when you're trying to grow a game in its initial release phase. Taking 6 months to fix this situation will do nothing but drive people away from the game, which will only hurt it in the long run.


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On September 24 2010 02:49 On_Slaught wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:47 TheYango wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:44 Nachtigaller wrote:
have you ever played world of warcraft?
for those of you who dont:
with the addon wrath of the lichking they introduced a new class, the death knight.
It was so unbelievably overpowered that it could 3-4 shot any other class in pvp, was nearly unkillable and had huge control over the match.
It took them 6 month to fix them even if they always said that "they are aware of the issue".
I dont expect them to tune zerg up in the near future.

You say that like 6 months is a long time.


That is 6 GSLs.

That is long enough to make or break this game in esports with that much money on the line.

You sort of missed the point. For the user, 6 months feels like a long time. For the developer, finishing a project that's getting basically no development budget from the higher-ups (because do you honestly think Activision would spend a dime on patching SC2 when the game is already out?) in 6 months is probably pretty good time.


When you go to work and a customer calls tell them they have to wait 6 months for whatever they ask and see what happens.
There's no S in KT. :P
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 23 2010 17:57 GMT
#171
On September 24 2010 02:46 FabledIntegral wrote:

Hasn't Cool already stated he has already been able to beat top level Zergs when he offraces with Terran?





Don't believe you can NP dropships with units inside.


yeah but TLOs ZvT is his best matchup as Zerg. It's really really good. this was true even before he settled on terran. and so thats why i'm gonna side with TLO if they both are "offracing" because TLO really isn't offracing that much, and he's going into his best matchup.


no not since one of the beta patches can you NP dropships with units.
SichuanPanda
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1542 Posts
September 23 2010 17:58 GMT
#172
On September 24 2010 02:46 Abdiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:42 fnaticAugury wrote:
People also need to relax, this same thing happened in Wc3.


Oh my god if this game becomes another warcraft 3 I don't know what I'll do...


WOW! Really? 'Relax the same thing happened in WarCraft 3'. Thats the exact reason WHY people ARE NOT relaxed - is because it DID happen in WarCraft 3, and we don't want the same total and utter bullshit balance and patch strategy used in WarCraft 3 to terrorize and destroy the great game that is SC2. I mean REALLY? Do people even think before they hit the post button anymore? Evidently not. If Blizzard wants SC2 to become a huge e-sport like BW, they had damn well better drop a patch that BUFFS ZERG and nothing else, or they will be in for what happened in WarCraft 3 pro-scene - the same 25 players facing each-other every year, and the same person (Moon) winning. That sounds entertaining.. oh wait.
i-bonjwa
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 18:00:59
September 23 2010 17:58 GMT
#173
Any1 heard from IdrA after the Patch?

The kid must be raging his brains out.

Atm. I really hope Cool, Zenio and Julyzerg will switch races, cuz maybe then Blizzard realizes how fkn stupid they are....
https://soundcloud.com/thesamplethief
Konsume
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada466 Posts
September 23 2010 17:58 GMT
#174
On September 24 2010 02:47 MangoTango wrote:
So wait, even with Tanks nerfed, Zergs still finding a way to QQ? I'm confused. I thought nerfing tanks was going to fix everything. Clearly I was mistaken.


Are you trolling?

cause tank nerf was more of a "protoss" buff than a zerg buff, yes it helps but... hell... it's far far far far far.... from doing it!
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
September 23 2010 17:58 GMT
#175
On September 24 2010 02:53 Ghazwan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:39 s.a.y wrote:
Hope dimaga doesn't switch

There is one replay in the replays thread. Post-patch and Dimaga plays T. I hope he was just playing T for fun, tho wouldn't blame him if he switched.

On another note, I wish people stopped saying stuff like "it took 3 years to balance bw or wc3, be patient, etc." This isn't a freaking pet we bought so we have to expect the same life-cycle.



Is his Terran still as bad as I remember it being? When he and Demuslim switched races it looked like I was watching a Platinum level match. Dimaga looked like he had no clue what was going on.

I don't think I know any top level player that has successfully switched to Terran from another race. Even when Random I always thought TLO's best race was his Terran.
Wat
Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 18:00:38
September 23 2010 17:59 GMT
#176
@TBO isn`t there a chance for TLO to release some of his Zerg games as this wouldn`t have an impact on his professional games with Terran?
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 23 2010 17:59 GMT
#177
On September 24 2010 02:55 Cloak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:54 SeaSmoke wrote:
Nooooooo fruitseller...! One of our finest generals...

I agree dropships are a pain in the ass to handle. But how would you fix that? Make them more expensive? Nerf healing? How about nerf capacity?


Marauders should cost 4 spaces like the Dragoon did.


I like this. 2 marauders can't kill a base. However, dps-wise, 8 marines with stim can match marauders, and the strength of terran drops is that they can send 4 drops ships out on completely different paths, drop you in each of your bases, take out half your econ if you can only defend one or two bases, and then get away while staying nice and safe in their base with the protection of tanks and turrets. Then while zerg is trying to remacro, terran moves forward and takes base by base.

So basically, it's not just the units that the dropships are able to carry, it's the sheer mobility it provides the terran army when the terran army's best strength lies in immobility (defending their 2 bases).
Yargh
Simi
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada21 Posts
September 23 2010 17:59 GMT
#178
Id rather see fast, multiple, big changes rather than small insignificant patches like 1.1.0 that wont change anything and take extremely long to take out.
skirmisheR
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden451 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 18:02:37
September 23 2010 18:00 GMT
#179
On September 24 2010 02:18 Anomarad wrote:
Well you guys are just gonna have to wait another year before the expansion gives you defilers. That's how it is.

So true. Patch 1.2 won't do anything, not patch 1.3 either. I'm really disappointed in Blizzard, they have done SOOOOO much wrong with this game.

On September 24 2010 02:55 Easy772 wrote:
Wait, even after the patch Zerg is underpowered according to Cool?

Are we for sure this is the real Cool?


Yeah cuz 5 sec zealot nerf will make ZvP an even matchup? And 5sec bunker + 5sec reaper will make ZvT an even matchup? There is so much that needs to be fixed about the broken Zerg.
I can jungle Pudge, can you?
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
September 23 2010 18:00 GMT
#180
On September 24 2010 02:36 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:34 TBO wrote:
I'd really like to see Cool's Terran vs TLO's Zerg.

What as in like it'll be awesome to watch? I hope so.
Because obviously Cool will rape TLO, he has been top of korean ladder with random before so, considering imbalances not that much of a chancce for TLO zerg

Considering how hard Cool raped Sen on Sen's stream in TvZ I don't think TLO could win more than 3/10.
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