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EliteAzn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States661 Posts
September 21 2010 01:31 GMT
#321
First, I thought 1.2k was a bit much, but once u really think about it, that sounds a bit fair (btw, 1.2k is barely d in iccup). Anyways yeah, it might split the community a little, but it's worth it. I rather have a smaller community dedicated to sc2 than another bnet forum (gosh I hate that place now...). The only worry I have is how are u going to prove who u are? People might just snatch random URLs...but I love this idea..I wouldn't even be able to write either.......for now.

Another problem has came up though after writing my las sentence...points are kinda being inflated over time....
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bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
September 21 2010 01:37 GMT
#322
How about just banning all stupid shitty posts so that TL can be readable most of the time in every single forum section? Oh that's more complicated?!
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 21 2010 01:38 GMT
#323
As a noobier player, i think the idea makes sense, but there are several problems such the constant inflation of the ladder that kills things. Not to mention the nightmare of setting up, coding, and maintaining such a system would cause...

In my opinion, i would rather ban a bunch of people than deal with that kind of organizational mess and drama. Although, i am naturally unorganized i suppose.
rally_point
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada458 Posts
September 21 2010 01:42 GMT
#324
I would really like to see something like this happen. Not sure if points is the best way to determine player skill though (maybe anyone who has ever made it to the Ro8 in any tournament or something?).

I know I'm not good enough to post anything strategy related, and have thus never posted in the strategy forum. But I do absolutely enjoy reading about well defined, practical strategies, and have very high appreciation and respect for being able to dig through these strategies.

I think one problem that TL has in this respect is the exclusion of certain people. I would guess they would want the site accessible to all sorts of players, and a feature like this may discourage some of the community from coming to TL. Well maybe not... maybe more people will come to TL because of the consistent quality of their strategy forum haha. I'm sure the staff will act in the best interest of TL in the end
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-21 01:44:09
September 21 2010 01:42 GMT
#325
I guess you could make a script to the points required to post in the forums rose at an equal rate as the bonus points to include the inflation. The only time this forum would be a mess would be right after a ladder reset, but it would quickly balance out shortly after once the better people pull ahead.

Also I think points are a good way to do it. True it's not the best indicator of skill, but we do want a good amount of people posting on there. If you're even above 1000 points you will have a basic understanding of the game, or at least understand you don't know everything, and that's enough to add to a discussion.
Sideburn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States442 Posts
September 21 2010 01:44 GMT
#326
I would be ecstatic about this change, even though it would preclude me being able to post. As long as anyone could read, that would be fantastic.

Honestly, I'm so confused when people say how "elitist" or "high power" TL is. I'm new to SC2 and was very excited to find out about an exclusive group of elitist players who had high power discussions. You can't imagine my disappointment when I actually came to the site. People really talk up TL and how awesome, pro, and elitist it is far too much. I have no doubt but that it was this way in the past, but SC2 seems to have brought a slew of new people to this board that makes it hardly any better than any other SC2 forum, it just has more pretense and arrogance.
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
September 21 2010 01:45 GMT
#327
1200 ia pro gamer now? i guess im a pro gamer.
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
September 21 2010 01:59 GMT
#328
I love the idea of an "1X00+ only" subforum that is public read. With school so busy and not enough practice I still find myself learning and improving as much as I can simply from streams and things like the D9D, as well as the few solid "gems" of threads here on TL, even though they are pretty damn rare. A subforum with SOME sort of limitation on it would encourage top-level players (not just the ones at the proposed limit of course, but tip-top such as referenced in the OP that don't want to argue with the inevitable, and stubborn, bronzies) to at least attempt informative and useful discussion, and hopefully work out well.

Great idea. Seems elitist at first, but I don't think most good/high-diamond (a group I am not a part of, mind you) posters have problems with lower level players looking specifically for help and have an open mind willing to learn. These aren't the players this is about, and said players shouldn't take offense. It's more about the stubborn bullheaded low level players that consistently make issues out of the same thing and refuse to acknowledge any help or suggestions from players that seriously know what they're doing.
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
September 21 2010 02:00 GMT
#329
Almost all of these suggestions sound like a moderator's nightmare, and they are the ones everyone should be selling ideas to imo, since they are the ones that will have to a) implement it, b) enforce it c) stand behind it and d) live with the consequences, which these days are not insignificant in the least.


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SaintsTheMetal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States45 Posts
September 21 2010 02:29 GMT
#330
A points limit would be tough, because with the rapid inflation, a "good" amount of points is ever changing. God damn Bonus Pool makes comparing points at different time periods impossible!

At first the people with 1000+ were amazing, when the GSL started someone had 1600 points and it was ridiculous, and now two weeks later two players (HuK and Fenix) have 2k points, and 34 players have at least 1800!!

However, I do support a read-only forum of actual pros though.
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
September 21 2010 02:35 GMT
#331
i wouldn't mind the idea, but 1200 isn't exactly that high... my girlfriend has been 1200+ and im sure she could get there again once she gets used to playing terran.. just switched from P.
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-21 03:24:54
September 21 2010 03:19 GMT
#332
Completely agree. It could be pros only, it could be high diamonds - both are fine with me as long as it is just a sub-forum.

P.S. It's not about banning people. Why should people who give their opinions in a well-mannered way be banned? It's just that EVERY thread gets 10+ pages for minutes. No one in their right mind will read through all this.

Face it, TL is actually the Blizzard forums for SC2.
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
September 21 2010 03:25 GMT
#333
This is idea is wakeful, unless they make it so elitist that it basically stops being a forum and just becomes the a club. Then it might work I guess, but it would miss the point altoghether.

It stratifies the community. TL.net is amazing because we have such a strong community, and because we have a distinct culture. How many people who don't play WoW anymore still browse Arenajunkies? Like, two. Yet TL.net has masses of frequent visitors who no longer play starcraft, or even game in general, yet still come back for the sites distinctive culture. Being diamond 1500 doesn't make you special on TL.net. Only two groups of people exist on tl.net, pros and joes (and contributors, oh yeah). Being "Diamond 1500" doesn't give you any more right to comment then being "diamond 1000" or "diamond 500".

More strict moderation would be how you solve this problem. Going back to what I said before, a single consolidated place for actual pros with deep understanding of the game to post would be fine as to sort a standard for the level of discussion we want on TL.net (Idra rage notwithstanding), but it wouldn't really be a solution to what the OP is looking for, as it would be too niche (basically just limited to the pros that frequent TL.net and other renown players/contributors.) A "Diamond 1200" forum would be utter crap.
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
September 21 2010 03:30 GMT
#334
On September 21 2010 11:35 starcraft911 wrote:
i wouldn't mind the idea, but 1200 isn't exactly that high... my girlfriend has been 1200+ and im sure she could get there again once she gets used to playing terran.. just switched from P.


Hmm.. When was the last time you went clubbing?
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
September 21 2010 03:56 GMT
#335
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PeT[uK]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States412 Posts
September 21 2010 04:11 GMT
#336
On September 21 2010 10:14 whitelynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 10:09 PeT[uK] wrote:
This goes against so much of what TL is all about.....


I know, huh.
Pretty retarded crowd SC2 brought in, and not just the people OP was complaining about.


And 1200 is nowhere near C, lol. I'm like D and got 1000 diamond easy.


no i'm saying that prohibiting newer players from conversations is against the community aspect of TL. This is suppose to be a welcoming environment, what kind of message does this send to them?

This is probably not the best place to do this kind of shit. Do it on another site
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billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
September 21 2010 04:21 GMT
#337
no, make it 1400+ and then next week make it 1600+
1200 was yesterday's 1400, this awful ladder system is so inflated in points right now any donk can get to 1200
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-21 04:28:30
September 21 2010 04:27 GMT
#338
In my mind this is a place for baddies like myself to come and learn. I want to see debate between people who know what they're talking about. The last thing i want to see is people like me arguing with people like me, and lowering the standards. I find it interesting that TL would allow anyone to sign up and post here, that's really generous. The last thing you want to do though is drive away people who are worth having. It's not like i'm paying a cent to be here - i have no rights, i am a guest.

So i think instead of framing it as "make a new forum for good players" you should instead "make a forum for baddies". The main forum should be for good players to talk about this game and anyone who wants to post there should earn the right. That should be the default imo. Then if i'm allowed to read the main quality form and possibly learn a thing or two, then great.

If you're kind enough to make a forum for people with crap ratings, then that's great too. There won't be any benefit to it unless some decent players are willing to argue with a dozen bronze people. But if they want to do that, then that's marvellous. If baddies are willing to admit they suck and try and learn from decent players willing to share the knowledge, then that's awesome.

Take your site back.

edit: and i use the term baddies with all due respect.
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Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
September 21 2010 04:30 GMT
#339
Its not a terrible idea at all, however due to the way that the ladder currently works, you would need to continuously update the required ratings.

1200 was "pro" 2 months ago, 1800 will be a decent rating tomorrow, and a month from now likely over 2400. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this. As the lower players improve, the low/mid tier diamond players will eventually suck rating from them, and the cycle continues.
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
September 21 2010 04:30 GMT
#340
On September 21 2010 13:11 PeT[uK] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 10:14 whitelynx wrote:
On September 21 2010 10:09 PeT[uK] wrote:
This goes against so much of what TL is all about.....


I know, huh.
Pretty retarded crowd SC2 brought in, and not just the people OP was complaining about.


And 1200 is nowhere near C, lol. I'm like D and got 1000 diamond easy.


no i'm saying that prohibiting newer players from conversations is against the community aspect of TL. This is suppose to be a welcoming environment, what kind of message does this send to them?

This is probably not the best place to do this kind of shit. Do it on another site

what kind of message? a message that should already exist in their minds but clearly it doesnt. if you dont know what you're talking about then don't pretend to. we are adults not pre schoolers. its not like we need to protect the fragile psyche of noobs (who, apparently, dont realize they're noobs yet)

i know when i begin playing a new competitive game, i keep my mouth quiet until i feel like im a very experienced/skilled player.
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