EPT[VOTE] SC2 Player quality limits in order to post - Page 13
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eNbee
Belgium487 Posts
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WickedBit
United States343 Posts
On September 21 2010 06:41 Quarion wrote: Posting in a thread with 11 pages is probably stupid, because no one will notice this post, but there is much better solution in my opinion that is implemented on other forums where people that "knows stuff" post valuable info. For each post user can get points form other users - they can click "i like it" button or something when they think it is valuable. When people accumulate points they can get new rank - for example star will appear near their post. When post from people that said something valuable before are marked in some manner you can simply skip all the flood in the thread if you don't have time, and read those marked with stars. It is quiet easy to implement, don't mess with normal flow of posting that is here now and allows you to quickly evaluate posts value. Well I posted the exact same thing a few pages back here and that went unnoticed . I think this is a great idea which has been proven to work in other discussion boards . Looks like it may need a separate thread to bring it to light ...  Edit: Looks like more people are now suggesting the karma system. I strongly support that option instead of separate subforum. Its very powerful especially in situations where poster reputation matters. | ||
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BlackMesa
Kenya338 Posts
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Armsved
Denmark642 Posts
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Slipspace
United States381 Posts
but i think its funny that such a system will only create another system showing zerg as being under-represented | ||
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Chronopolis
Canada1484 Posts
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DGMavn
United States48 Posts
The Back Room was used to cultivate discussion on many different topics about Melee, the most important being the tournament ruleset (no items, what are neutral stages, what stages are banned, etc) and advanced techniques (wavedashing, etc). As the game matured, the knowledge of the game spread out throughout the regular forum naturally so that solid strategic advice could be found throughout the forum. When Brawl came out, however, Smashboards saw a spike in usage from people who had heard that it was the best Melee site but didn't know anything about how Smash worked. All of a sudden, the entire site sucked. However, the Back Room was busy discussing all the characters, and began releasing threads with their impression of the metagame one at a time. All of a sudden, a tentative tier list was created and threads filled with strategic character-specific analysis were available for newbies to read and post about. It was a huge amount of good information that everyone had access to. I think an application/invitation-only Back Room would be greatly beneficial to this site. At the end of the day, people are interested in cultivating the highest level of gameplay, and giving the pros a noise-free environment to do so can only help the community. | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
EDIT: This nomination would have be approved by a poll or something - so its not like 1 person can just open it up to anyone. This forum would ideally be read-only to everyone who isn't qualified to post in it - as there really shouldn't be an elite STRATEGY forum... shouldn't everyone have the right to know what higher level players think about it? This isn't to limit the knowledge of the more casual player, its just to prevent trolling and promote a higher level of thinking in serious balance/strategy threads. This also raises the question of HOW would you link the two (points & posting ability) together? Someone's points can fluctuate from day to day but their skill level will for the most part stay the same (ideally raising slightly over time) AND someone could eventually have 1500 points but hasn't played in 3-4 months and doesn't know the current state of the metagame (which currently seems to be changing by the week). Just a few potential problems with the idea - could just be solved by good coding lol. | ||
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
Bottom line is, there needs to be a place of enlightened, healthy discussion, that TL simply isn't capable of being as it stands. GL TL, I would love to see this. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Although ladder points does not directly translate to game understanding; there is a clear correlation. At the moment I have little motivation to ladder... this would certainly motivate me. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13921 Posts
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
this doesnt make sense because points will only get higher and higher soon 1200 will be shit | ||
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ZomgTossRush
United States1041 Posts
On September 21 2010 08:37 Klive5ive wrote: Hmm I think the awesomeness of such a forum might actually be worth the inherent unfairness. Although ladder points does not directly translate to game understanding; there is a clear correlation. At the moment I have little motivation to ladder... this would certainly motivate me. I agree with this. The problem would be, there would be even more people cheesing just to get to "tl forum" status. I have already come across a ton of profiles with 1100+ points, and their match history shows 1 cheese build per race. This might be too much work, and also a bit unfair. But what if we allowed on the top tier players to start the forum, (like blizz top 200) then have them invite players who them deem to have quality posts in the regular forum, not necessarily right ones, just well thought out ones. | ||
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chocopan
Japan986 Posts
Is it possible to invert the thing? Rather than having a protected elite forum, can't the bronzies and relative newcomers be encouraged to discuss in a newcomer-friendly forum/s? | ||
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
On September 21 2010 08:37 Wilko wrote: Since points aren't comparable across divisions and the bonus-pool causing some issues i would favor the top100 of the weekly blizzard ranking I mean this one: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/de/blog/683001 | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On September 21 2010 06:41 Ympulse wrote: I'm still trying to figure out where WoW drama got into all this. Get that garbage off the SC2 forums. I agree with the sentiment that a high-level only forum would be great, as long as the general public is able to read it, for educational purposes. then you're daft. WoW was brought up as an analogy of forums that have already introduced ideas identical to the one in the OP. Rank based posting didn't work to make those forums anymore enjoyable, intelligent, or educational. I don't see it working much better here. Now a smaller rank based side forum with MORE moderation would do wonders, but without proper moderation no prerequiste subforum will do much aside from individual invitations based on extensive post history. | ||
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Sanitarium14
United States141 Posts
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vindKtiv
United States215 Posts
As a general idea, I definitely like it, BUT (as was the case with me in BW) there are several of us that have a deep understanding of the game but not the physical ability to follow through on that understanding. I'm definitely doing much better at sc2 in this regard (and hope to play enough ladder to break 1000 soon lol) but I know that my brain near the end of BW was at the upper levels of play, even if my mechanics weren't there physically. I'd say a better idea is to do an invite system, possibly with the higher level players (1500+ or maybe even higher) being able to nominate people of ANY skill level (playing-wise) who could join in the discussions. I feel like if you really have a deep understanding of the game, then you should be able to follow it up physically. If you think you know a lot about StarCraft II, but end up in Gold or Platinum league, then you obviously don't know as much as you think. It's easy to just blame your mechanics when really your strategies are also at fault. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I went through a phase in Brood War where I thought I was the shit just because I lurked TL and browsed Liquipedia. It was a bad phase. If you don't have enough credentials (League and points, as shaky of credentials as they are), then I think you should just keep quiet when discussing more advanced strategies. Therefore, a points only system would be just fine and almost preferable if it could be somehow implemented in fairly and well. It would be a very hard thing to do, but if it could be done I would be all for it. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23403 Posts
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