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Ympulse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States287 Posts
September 20 2010 21:41 GMT
#221
I'm still trying to figure out where WoW drama got into all this. Get that garbage off the SC2 forums.

I agree with the sentiment that a high-level only forum would be great, as long as the general public is able to read it, for educational purposes.
Quarion
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland2 Posts
September 20 2010 21:41 GMT
#222
Posting in a thread with 11 pages is probably stupid, because no one will notice this post, but there is much better solution in my opinion that is implemented on other forums where people that "knows stuff" post valuable info.
For each post user can get points form other users - they can click "i like it" button or something when they think it is valuable.
When people accumulate points they can get new rank - for example star will appear near their post. When post from people that said something valuable before are marked in some manner you can simply skip all the flood in the thread if you don't have time, and read those marked with stars.

It is quiet easy to implement, don't mess with normal flow of posting that is here now and allows you to quickly evaluate posts value.
Vexx
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States462 Posts
September 20 2010 21:42 GMT
#223
On September 21 2010 06:26 Koukalaka wrote:
A great example of people being an idiot is saying you can hold off a Banshee/Marine/Raven timing push by Phoenix and Zealots with Charge. As of current and playing at 1500-1600~ I cannot stop it. I always go gate > core > gate > robo in PvT (on short distance, on 4 players I go gate > core > expand > gate > gate > robo > council) because that Observer is a necessity. If I scout he's going marine/banshee/raven timing push, I'm already screwed because Phoenix/Chargelots/High Templar take too long from the time I've scouted to the time the push will hit my door.

If anyone has a method to beat Banshee/Marine/Raven timing pushes ... Please tell me.

Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 06:24 Sqq wrote:
lol at someone from Ensidia saying Elitist Jerks is visited by wannabes. Do you even stop and consider that alot of the number crunshing that you enjoyed so much often came from EJ ?


Number crunching didn't get me world second Kil'jaeden kill, playing 72 hours in 5 days did. WoW isn't about numbers, it's about hours invested. More hours > more tries > more chance of success.


I've found that that build is really vulnerable to a lot of stalkers before the air rolls out. My recent experience was on blistering sands with the backdoor. I had a bunker upfront when I noticed he was coming in the back. I quickly made another one but he just rolled right over me with his mass stalkers + proxy pylon for more warp ins. Raven popped as he was halfway through my army.

I am not nice.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
September 20 2010 21:42 GMT
#224
i think its a great idea to have a forum where only "good" players may write. this way, the pros could have high lvl discussions about strategies and metagame without getting disturbed by all the noobs and trolls, while the lowish players could benefit a lot from reading in this forum. the real problem would be how to define "good". 1200 diamond sounds too low imho.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Bhaalgorn
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia214 Posts
September 20 2010 21:42 GMT
#225
As long as everyone can read it I'd like that(I'm nowhere near 1200 points but would be nice reading advice given from people who aren't horrible).


Shame you can't just link your b.net profile and somehow extract league and points next to the username.
Minzy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia387 Posts
September 20 2010 21:44 GMT
#226
so somehow being ranked higher makes you smarter and more mature. hmmmm.
Huh...
brocoli
Profile Joined February 2010
Brazil264 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 21:46:13
September 20 2010 21:44 GMT
#227
On September 21 2010 06:29 aznhockeyboy16 wrote:
having the option of limited responses seems reasonable, but setting an arbitrary bar like 1200 pts doesn't work due to the bonus pool.


Not only that, there are differences between realms too.



What about a "Progamer Karma" system for each post?

Would be a variation of common Karma systems you see everywhere, except you'd get more influence if you have more points; posts voted low would become hidden, and threads with good posts would become more visible.

Also, not everyone that understands the game is a diamond player. Removing the right of these people to start a thread in the "good" forum seems like a waste IMHO. If you want an example, take a look at the various "tricks" threads around tl.net. This fact means that threads by these people are either wasted, or would require an even bigger moderation team to keep track of, and move them into the "good" forum before they get derailed by bad posts.

A Karma system would be somewhat harder to program and fine-tune, but IMHO would provide much better results.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
September 20 2010 21:46 GMT
#228
same story in car forums lol, i just think its just the way it is.
instead of 1200, i'm sure TL staff can pick and choose who they'd allow on elitist sub forum through reputation.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
Mantikor
Profile Joined August 2010
United States68 Posts
September 20 2010 21:48 GMT
#229
On September 21 2010 06:44 brocoli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 06:29 aznhockeyboy16 wrote:
having the option of limited responses seems reasonable, but setting an arbitrary bar like 1200 pts doesn't work due to the bonus pool.


Not only that, there are differences between realms too.



What about a "Progamer Karma" system for each post?

Would be a variation of common Karma systems you see everywhere, except you'd get more influence if you have more points; posts voted low would become hidden, and threads with good posts would become more visible.

Also, not everyone that understands the game is a diamond player. Removing the right of these people to start a thread in the "good" forum seems like a waste IMHO. If you want an example, take a look at the various "tricks" threads around tl.net. This fact means that threads by these people are either wasted, or would require an even bigger moderation team to keep track of, and move them into the "good" forum before they get derailed by bad posts.

A Karma system would be somewhat harder to program and fine-tune, but IMHO would provide much better results.


HELL YA, wish you could edit in polls..

That would be agreat to have a + or - system for rep. having community self-moderate is a great option as well.
wat
Persev
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States127 Posts
September 20 2010 21:48 GMT
#230
Everyone likes to read informative , thoughtful, and generally quality posts that can benefit them directly. The source of those posts directly tied to a non transparent rating will concentrate better posts at the cost of creating a "caste" in the poster/Sc2 player population. The underlying reason why posts degrade so quickly is the lack of manners and education from people that were brought up without respect for other peoples opinions(civility). Another core problem is the lack of objectivity by some posters. Instead of disagreeing by saying "this is what I think. Here are my list of facts #1,#2,#3 why I think I'm right" ;yet all we get is a not so hidden message in the reply post "your a bronze level noob ,your stupid, go jump in a lake". Here's an example I see frequently.

Marauder: "Its OP". Its to strong nerf nerf . Terran OP. Nerf. " reply "stop whining and learn to play.

What would probably be more helpful is to address why the marauder is strong. What is the true power of terran?

Marauder: Tier 1 super marine. It is super durable (120hps) and can be healed/resupplied to full combat readiness on the battlefront. It can be made very early in the game (tier 1). They do incredible damage to armored (20dmg) at tier 1 allowing them to destroy buildings and armored units cost effectively. They have concussive shells which grant the Terran the ability to decrease the mobility of his enemies and in conjunction with the Stim ability gives the Terran enhanced mobility to choose his battles. This allows them to more easily pick a favorable time to concentrate his army and attack decisively to win instead of just to harass. When in conjunction with all other Terran units, which also have superior attack range the Area of concentric range fire and ability to maximize firepower (dps)is superior than any other race in early and mid game(before tier 2.5). Add to this an intelligent commander the Terran can easily create favorable points of contact. Not only this but the ability to produce Marauders at such an early stage gives Terran the initiative and ability to comprehensively attack in speed, strength , and durability. Finally, with such a potent weapon in their arsenal, this grants the T user the ability to create a "grand tactic". They can easily create combinations of strategic decisions that were once considered risky become solid strats given the implied threat(reasons above) of scouting a tech lab attached to a barracks.
Be nice!
The Touch
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom667 Posts
September 20 2010 21:50 GMT
#231
I think not even allowing other players to read the threads/forum would be counterproductive. Being able to read the discussions of high-level players would help to increase the skills and knowledge of those, like me, who currently lack both, which would then rub off on our posts, raising the average quality of posts all over the forum.

But I can definitely see how having us lowbies piping up with our misguided opinions could hamper high-level discussion, so I voted A 1200pt+ pro-gamer only Subforum (no public write).
You Got The Touch
phantaxx
Profile Joined May 2010
United States201 Posts
September 20 2010 22:05 GMT
#232
I'm actually surprised there hasn't already been something like this implemented. It would be so beneficial imo. A much lower percentage of nonsense posts is always good. I voted for the subforum with no public write.
Arnu
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada96 Posts
September 20 2010 22:13 GMT
#233
Would be nice to have an "x amount of points to post" forum but the public should be able to read it.
junemermaid
Profile Joined September 2006
United States981 Posts
September 20 2010 22:13 GMT
#234
if we're gonna make an elitist forum, i suggest that only users who have 1200+ rank AND registered before 2008 be able to post.

you know, to keep new blood out of it.
the UMP says YER OUT
Medzo
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States627 Posts
September 20 2010 22:15 GMT
#235
I really like the idea of a subforum. I think going by rating is the wrong variable. If TL was to do this I hope they will wait out for the pro league. I am around a 1200 zerg player but about 60% of my games are against higher rated opponents. I have been favored with 1400 players and even with some 1100 players. Some 1500 players perfect 1 strategy. Some 1200 players cheese a lot. To me this says that because of inflation, hidden ELO, and divisions your rating and rank are not accurate measures of skill and only good for estimation.

Wait for pro league.
EvasivE
Profile Joined July 2010
United States70 Posts
September 20 2010 22:20 GMT
#236
this is a good idea, but with a huge flaw
the point system is constantly inflating at the rate of about 100 points per week
as much as you want points to restrict people from posting, its an idea that won't help the forum index as much as you think.
im pretty sure anyway that most people experienced in the SLIGHTEST with the internet know what information to take to heart and what to overlook.
...but i still voted for 1200pt+ no public write lol
anyone who put no write or read is just a meanie, you should want people to be interested in gathering more information from the elite. these are the people that support esports and are the ones that are a great fan base.
!
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
September 20 2010 22:29 GMT
#237
What about people like me? I'm knowledgeable at the game but suck :p

Having lots of points doesn't mean your input will be better than the input of some bronze guy, you can observe and be good at theory, yet not exactly be the greatest when it comes to executing them.
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
Gnax
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden490 Posts
September 20 2010 22:30 GMT
#238
High amount of ladder points does not equal intelligence. I've seen pro gamers on these forums make troll posts, so it wouldn't really raise the quality of posts one bit.

The only thing that would raise the quality of posts on this forum is more strict rules and better moderating.
Kinch
Profile Joined August 2010
United States258 Posts
September 20 2010 22:33 GMT
#239
The forums would improve if you could hide/censor posters you don't like. (If this already exists, hide me! But tell me how to do it first!)
Darkstar_X
Profile Joined May 2010
United States197 Posts
September 20 2010 22:38 GMT
#240
Ties to ladder is pretty poor for several reasons, including: not all top players ladder a ton; often, top strategists for a game are not always the best players (and I don't just mean starcraft); and the fluctuating value of a ladder rank. I think a *heavily* moderated, no excuses sub-forum would be fine; with a write privilege taken away as a penalty.
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