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On September 15 2010 17:21 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 07:27 Sfydjklm wrote:On September 15 2010 07:12 Lefnui wrote:On September 15 2010 06:37 teamsolid wrote:
I think whoever wins the GSL is gonna be pretty widely regarded as top SC2 player in the world. Agreed. Small, online foreigner tournaments are pretty meaningless in comparison. so far GSL has shown skill level far inferior to IEM. Hopefully itll change in ro32 but the top Gamescon players will have a very solid claim for being the best as well. Yeah, so far GSL has shown a lesser average skill level as IEM. But cool, check and tester would have each won easily the IEM if they played it, so average doesn't mean a lot.
Agreed. I'd even go so far as to say that Losira would have done very well at IEM as well. The level of pressure he put on TLO was quite impressive, and that is against a much improved TLO (improved as in refined, his play at the IEM was cool, but it was not as refined as it is now).
Add to that list, HongUnPrime would have definitely put a Protoss player through the group stages. oGsEnsnare and oGsZenio would also have done very well.
I think we should wait for RO16 from GSL to compare to IEM.
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naniwa has 3 1st places in zotac i think ...
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On September 14 2010 18:03 Mentos wrote:
rabiator how about you read the thread, then you'll know what problems zergs have. also...scrap station a zerg map... good joke.
Dude ... I read the thread and here is some DATA which confirms my "joke":
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=149880
>>> Zerg are winning most of their games on Scrap Station
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124510
>>> Scrap Station is among the longest rush distances (I wouldnt be surprised if Desert Oasis gets to be a new "Zerg map" after they add rocks with the patch)
Thinking? Clearly overrated. Listening to propaganda (= unproven things repeated over and over again) is clearly enough.
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On September 15 2010 16:47 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 16:38 ensis wrote:
i dont really care, if top-level-players post here. not as long as they spout some shit like morrow does, like telling that reaper micro is really hard.
just for instance. every player, that ever played stalker or roaches against zealots will state, that its not that freaking hard, in addition those fuckers can jump cliffs.
though i really appreciate it, when people like qxc or naruto just stood up and made a thread here, clearly saying, that THEIR OWN RACE is imbalanced. or drewbie stating in a interview, that he also thinks that terran is imbalanced and helped him of course raising high. big respect to them.
and it´s already stated in this thread, that there are way too many over-modest progamers, who just won´t speak their mind. take madfrog at iem.
the problem with Morrow saying reaper micro is hard is that he admittedly learnt the build like 2 days before he won a large-money tournament with them, in a convincing manner. So either he's the new Boxer-Jaedong Hybrid, or that micro just inst that hard
starcraft 2 in general is actually that easy for terran (not gonna talk about the other races because i didnt play them enough).
playing mass reaper the last 2 days with top zergs to help and support me boosted me up so high, its not like u need 200 tvzs to practice wraith patrol micro to get good at it (sc1) here its just the overall gameplan and simple bo structure that i had to learn, and sure some little techniques to micro and macro same time with this build to get a good gameflow but learning a new playstyle is quite easy in this game if u got the basic knowledge of the game and higher mechanics than needed
and thats exactly why i feel so confident saying idra would be equal or better terran really quickly if he switched. TLO isnt a god of sc2 still me manged to play really high level in all matchups.
so dont come and say 2days of preparation with top zergs coaching is not enough in sc2, because it is lol  and thats what i think is so sad about the game for all beta and release, only mu i want to compare with hard skill it takes to play from sc1 is tvt
On September 15 2010 17:36 amanet wrote:
naniwa has 3 1st places in zotac i think ...
that was beta stage where he won with 4gate in every game (i could remember this wrong)
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well what should i say? people are therycrafting a lot and its all good
but in my opinion theres just 1 simple problem: the marauder
its a fucking good unit, and people have been whining about it since early in the beta yet it has been nerfed very little. I think its time it got hit with the nerfhammer
morrow: if sc2 is so "easy" why is there only like you, bratok, demuslim and maybe a few more terrans in the world that can display such a high skill level? i think its not easy yhoure jsut the best atm. No body can do drop as well as bratok and no body can macro as well as u imo
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On September 15 2010 17:32 hdkhang wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 17:21 MrCon wrote:On September 15 2010 07:27 Sfydjklm wrote:On September 15 2010 07:12 Lefnui wrote:On September 15 2010 06:37 teamsolid wrote:
I think whoever wins the GSL is gonna be pretty widely regarded as top SC2 player in the world. Agreed. Small, online foreigner tournaments are pretty meaningless in comparison. so far GSL has shown skill level far inferior to IEM. Hopefully itll change in ro32 but the top Gamescon players will have a very solid claim for being the best as well. Yeah, so far GSL has shown a lesser average skill level as IEM. But cool, check and tester would have each won easily the IEM if they played it, so average doesn't mean a lot. Agreed. I'd even go so far as to say that Losira would have done very well at IEM as well. The level of pressure he put on TLO was quite impressive, and that is against a much improved TLO (improved as in refined, his play at the IEM was cool, but it was not as refined as it is now). Add to that list, HongUnPrime would have definitely put a Protoss player through the group stages. oGsEnsnare and oGsZenio would also have done very well. I think we should wait for RO16 from GSL to compare to IEM.
Yes. There were some very good zerg in GSL, but they all faced a very hard match up and most lost, zerg were very unlucky with their opponents.
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losira didnt play good at all he just made mass roaches and controlled them well, he definitely deserved to lose
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Terran so dominate right now... blizzard really must push this patch quicker.
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(just to add about the "reaper micro is soooo easy" debate, you should try it before saying it's easy. At my modest level, every player who goes reaper amass a lot of minerals in the process, and every person who tried reaper to show "how easy it is" finaly fail miserably and have to admit that it's not as easy as they first thought. It's only easy on the forums.)
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psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done.
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On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done.
word!
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On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done.
Gimme 1 good reason why?
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On September 15 2010 19:17 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done. Gimme 1 good reason why?
Beacuse GOM and Blizzard are partners and they dont want to create a mess out of an ongoing tournament?
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blizzard should read that carefully!
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On September 15 2010 19:21 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 19:17 kickinhead wrote:On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done. Gimme 1 good reason why? Beacuse GOM and Blizzard are partners and they dont want to create a mess out of an ongoing tournament?
So it's better to have no Zergs in the top16?
Besides; the changes are so small, they won't ruin the tournament. for sure...
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On September 15 2010 19:21 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 19:17 kickinhead wrote:On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done. Gimme 1 good reason why? Beacuse GOM and Blizzard are partners and they dont want to create a mess out of an ongoing tournament?
But there won't be long breaks between GSL seasons and the prelims are being played in the 10 day break they are going to have before season 2 so it's never gonna be the ideal time no matter when they decide to patch.
At most there will be like 5-6 days or something with no games so there really isn't much point in waiting for those 5 days, might as well just patch in the korean thanksgiving break or whatever then.
On September 15 2010 18:08 MrCon wrote:
(just to add about the "reaper micro is soooo easy" debate, you should try it before saying it's easy. At my modest level, every player who goes reaper amass a lot of minerals in the process, and every person who tried reaper to show "how easy it is" finaly fail miserably and have to admit that it's not as easy as they first thought. It's only easy on the forums.)
I'm far from being a pro, but even I can do 5rax reaper successfully without letting my macro suffer, and I only got like 100 games or something played as terran.
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On September 15 2010 11:37 Kare wrote:
As soon as the reapers build time is increased, I think the TvZ MU is going to be alot better. Whenever I see terrans open with hellions etc instead of this 5 rax reaper, then it becomes a really nice game which seem pretty balanced. I still think the damage of the ultralisks is abit insane but thats not the biggest issue right now.
Are you for real. You think a 5 second build time on reapers may balance the game, and maby zerg needs a nerf after it? Have you seen any ZvT lately? People dont even mass reapers that much anymore on high level. Theres so many problems in this matchup that nerfing buildtime or damage on a unit wont do much.
Annoying how these bad terrans try defend their race when its obvious how broken TvZ is now.
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On September 15 2010 19:21 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 19:17 kickinhead wrote:On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done. Gimme 1 good reason why? Beacuse GOM and Blizzard are partners and they dont want to create a mess out of an ongoing tournament?
What if in the RO8 all that is left is terran? IMO, that would be the single most disastrous thing that could possibly happen in any big tournament, let alone the first.
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Isn't the GSL been played via LAN? Couldn't Blizzard patch SC2 to 1.1 but the GSL still play on the current patch?
Pretty sure thats how it should work anyway.
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only goes to show that terran players are the most skilled players, not that it is overpowered
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