• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:51
CET 07:51
KST 15:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros0[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win42025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!9BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION1Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams10Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest4
StarCraft 2
General
DreamHack Open 2013 revealed Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Ladder Map Matchup Stats BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION ASL final tickets help
Strategy
PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Analysis of the Trump-Lee S…
Peanutsc
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
The Benefits Of Limited Comm…
TrAiDoS
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Certified Crazy
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1318 users

Tournament winners since release - Page 33

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 31 32 33 34 35 43 Next All
hdkhang
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia183 Posts
September 15 2010 08:32 GMT
#641
On September 15 2010 17:21 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 07:27 Sfydjklm wrote:
On September 15 2010 07:12 Lefnui wrote:
On September 15 2010 06:37 teamsolid wrote:
I think whoever wins the GSL is gonna be pretty widely regarded as top SC2 player in the world.

Agreed. Small, online foreigner tournaments are pretty meaningless in comparison.

so far GSL has shown skill level far inferior to IEM.
Hopefully itll change in ro32 but the top Gamescon players will have a very solid claim for being the best as well.

Yeah, so far GSL has shown a lesser average skill level as IEM.
But cool, check and tester would have each won easily the IEM if they played it, so average doesn't mean a lot.


Agreed. I'd even go so far as to say that Losira would have done very well at IEM as well. The level of pressure he put on TLO was quite impressive, and that is against a much improved TLO (improved as in refined, his play at the IEM was cool, but it was not as refined as it is now).

Add to that list, HongUnPrime would have definitely put a Protoss player through the group stages. oGsEnsnare and oGsZenio would also have done very well.

I think we should wait for RO16 from GSL to compare to IEM.
amanet
Profile Joined December 2007
Croatia334 Posts
September 15 2010 08:36 GMT
#642
naniwa has 3 1st places in zotac i think ...
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
September 15 2010 08:46 GMT
#643
On September 14 2010 18:03 Mentos wrote:
rabiator how about you read the thread, then you'll know what problems zergs have. also...scrap station a zerg map... good joke.

Dude ... I read the thread and here is some DATA which confirms my "joke":
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=149880
>>> Zerg are winning most of their games on Scrap Station
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124510
>>> Scrap Station is among the longest rush distances (I wouldnt be surprised if Desert Oasis gets to be a new "Zerg map" after they add rocks with the patch)

Thinking? Clearly overrated. Listening to propaganda (= unproven things repeated over and over again) is clearly enough.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 08:53:08
September 15 2010 08:52 GMT
#644
On September 15 2010 16:47 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 16:38 ensis wrote:
i dont really care, if top-level-players post here. not as long as they spout some shit like morrow does, like telling that reaper micro is really hard.
just for instance. every player, that ever played stalker or roaches against zealots will state, that its not that freaking hard, in addition those fuckers can jump cliffs.
though i really appreciate it, when people like qxc or naruto just stood up and made a thread here, clearly saying, that THEIR OWN RACE is imbalanced. or drewbie stating in a interview, that he also thinks that terran is imbalanced and helped him of course raising high. big respect to them.
and it´s already stated in this thread, that there are way too many over-modest progamers, who just won´t speak their mind. take madfrog at iem.


the problem with Morrow saying reaper micro is hard is that he admittedly learnt the build like 2 days before he won a large-money tournament with them, in a convincing manner. So either he's the new Boxer-Jaedong Hybrid, or that micro just inst that hard

starcraft 2 in general is actually that easy for terran (not gonna talk about the other races because i didnt play them enough).

playing mass reaper the last 2 days with top zergs to help and support me boosted me up so high, its not like u need 200 tvzs to practice wraith patrol micro to get good at it (sc1) here its just the overall gameplan and simple bo structure that i had to learn, and sure some little techniques to micro and macro same time with this build to get a good gameflow but learning a new playstyle is quite easy in this game if u got the basic knowledge of the game and higher mechanics than needed

and thats exactly why i feel so confident saying idra would be equal or better terran really quickly if he switched. TLO isnt a god of sc2 still me manged to play really high level in all matchups.

so dont come and say 2days of preparation with top zergs coaching is not enough in sc2, because it is lol and thats what i think is so sad about the game for all beta and release, only mu i want to compare with hard skill it takes to play from sc1 is tvt


On September 15 2010 17:36 amanet wrote:
naniwa has 3 1st places in zotac i think ...

that was beta stage where he won with 4gate in every game (i could remember this wrong)
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
geek0
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark32 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 08:56:23
September 15 2010 08:54 GMT
#645
well what should i say? people are therycrafting a lot and its all good

but in my opinion theres just 1 simple problem: the marauder
its a fucking good unit, and people have been whining about it since early in the beta yet it has been nerfed very little. I think its time it got hit with the nerfhammer


morrow: if sc2 is so "easy" why is there only like you, bratok, demuslim and maybe a few more terrans in the world that can display such a high skill level? i think its not easy yhoure jsut the best atm. No body can do drop as well as bratok and no body can macro as well as u imo
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 15 2010 09:03 GMT
#646
On September 15 2010 17:32 hdkhang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 17:21 MrCon wrote:
On September 15 2010 07:27 Sfydjklm wrote:
On September 15 2010 07:12 Lefnui wrote:
On September 15 2010 06:37 teamsolid wrote:
I think whoever wins the GSL is gonna be pretty widely regarded as top SC2 player in the world.

Agreed. Small, online foreigner tournaments are pretty meaningless in comparison.

so far GSL has shown skill level far inferior to IEM.
Hopefully itll change in ro32 but the top Gamescon players will have a very solid claim for being the best as well.

Yeah, so far GSL has shown a lesser average skill level as IEM.
But cool, check and tester would have each won easily the IEM if they played it, so average doesn't mean a lot.


Agreed. I'd even go so far as to say that Losira would have done very well at IEM as well. The level of pressure he put on TLO was quite impressive, and that is against a much improved TLO (improved as in refined, his play at the IEM was cool, but it was not as refined as it is now).

Add to that list, HongUnPrime would have definitely put a Protoss player through the group stages. oGsEnsnare and oGsZenio would also have done very well.

I think we should wait for RO16 from GSL to compare to IEM.

Yes. There were some very good zerg in GSL, but they all faced a very hard match up and most lost, zerg were very unlucky with their opponents.
geek0
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark32 Posts
September 15 2010 09:05 GMT
#647
losira didnt play good at all he just made mass roaches and controlled them well, he definitely deserved to lose
Inspyr
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia41 Posts
September 15 2010 09:06 GMT
#648
Terran so dominate right now... blizzard really must push this patch quicker.
Within the perfect architecture of thought, Logic may often provide the structure -- but from emotion came the inspiration.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 15 2010 09:08 GMT
#649
(just to add about the "reaper micro is soooo easy" debate, you should try it before saying it's easy. At my modest level, every player who goes reaper amass a lot of minerals in the process, and every person who tried reaper to show "how easy it is" finaly fail miserably and have to admit that it's not as easy as they first thought. It's only easy on the forums.)
bjwithbraces
Profile Joined April 2010
United States549 Posts
September 15 2010 09:08 GMT
#650
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/unipolarity/inventory/
ScarPe
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany392 Posts
September 15 2010 10:13 GMT
#651
On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done.

word!
Awaken my child and embrace the glory that is your birthright. -[The Overmind]
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
September 15 2010 10:17 GMT
#652
On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done.


Gimme 1 good reason why?
https://soundcloud.com/thesamplethief
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
September 15 2010 10:21 GMT
#653
On September 15 2010 19:17 kickinhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done.


Gimme 1 good reason why?


Beacuse GOM and Blizzard are partners and they dont want to create a mess out of an ongoing tournament?
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Motion
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany183 Posts
September 15 2010 10:24 GMT
#654
blizzard should read that carefully!
http://www.gentle-nerds.com
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
September 15 2010 10:35 GMT
#655
On September 15 2010 19:21 Senx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 19:17 kickinhead wrote:
On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done.


Gimme 1 good reason why?


Beacuse GOM and Blizzard are partners and they dont want to create a mess out of an ongoing tournament?


So it's better to have no Zergs in the top16?

Besides; the changes are so small, they won't ruin the tournament. for sure...
https://soundcloud.com/thesamplethief
Ighox
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway580 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 10:41:46
September 15 2010 10:37 GMT
#656
On September 15 2010 19:21 Senx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 19:17 kickinhead wrote:
On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done.


Gimme 1 good reason why?


Beacuse GOM and Blizzard are partners and they dont want to create a mess out of an ongoing tournament?

But there won't be long breaks between GSL seasons and the prelims are being played in the 10 day break they are going to have before season 2 so it's never gonna be the ideal time no matter when they decide to patch.
At most there will be like 5-6 days or something with no games so there really isn't much point in waiting for those 5 days, might as well just patch in the korean thanksgiving break or whatever then.


On September 15 2010 18:08 MrCon wrote:
(just to add about the "reaper micro is soooo easy" debate, you should try it before saying it's easy. At my modest level, every player who goes reaper amass a lot of minerals in the process, and every person who tried reaper to show "how easy it is" finaly fail miserably and have to admit that it's not as easy as they first thought. It's only easy on the forums.)

I'm far from being a pro, but even I can do 5rax reaper successfully without letting my macro suffer, and I only got like 100 games or something played as terran.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
September 15 2010 11:15 GMT
#657
On September 15 2010 11:37 Kare wrote:
As soon as the reapers build time is increased, I think the TvZ MU is going to be alot better. Whenever I see terrans open with hellions etc instead of this 5 rax reaper, then it becomes a really nice game which seem pretty balanced. I still think the damage of the ultralisks is abit insane but thats not the biggest issue right now.


Are you for real. You think a 5 second build time on reapers may balance the game, and maby zerg needs a nerf after it? Have you seen any ZvT lately? People dont even mass reapers that much anymore on high level. Theres so many problems in this matchup that nerfing buildtime or damage on a unit wont do much.

Annoying how these bad terrans try defend their race when its obvious how broken TvZ is now.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
September 15 2010 11:55 GMT
#658
On September 15 2010 19:21 Senx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 19:17 kickinhead wrote:
On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done.


Gimme 1 good reason why?


Beacuse GOM and Blizzard are partners and they dont want to create a mess out of an ongoing tournament?

What if in the RO8 all that is left is terran? IMO, that would be the single most disastrous thing that could possibly happen in any big tournament, let alone the first.
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
September 15 2010 12:47 GMT
#659
Isn't the GSL been played via LAN? Couldn't Blizzard patch SC2 to 1.1 but the GSL still play on the current patch?

Pretty sure thats how it should work anyway.
Therick
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway324 Posts
September 15 2010 12:50 GMT
#660
only goes to show that terran players are the most skilled players, not that it is overpowered
Lift. Laugh. Love. <3
Prev 1 31 32 33 34 35 43 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
23:00
Crank Gathers S2: Playoffs D2
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 78
StarCraft: Brood War
Flash 1169
actioN 329
yabsab 64
scan(afreeca) 34
Shinee 8
Larva 0
Dota 2
XaKoH 604
NeuroSwarm104
League of Legends
JimRising 816
Reynor35
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 188
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1010
Mew2King32
Other Games
summit1g15079
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick832
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 26
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH281
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1220
• Lourlo839
• Jankos308
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
2h 10m
OSC
5h 10m
Harstem vs SKillous
Gerald vs Spirit
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cham vs Ryung
CrankTV Team League
6h 10m
Team Liquid vs Team Falcon
Replay Cast
1d 3h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 5h
ByuN vs Spirit
herO vs Solar
MaNa vs Gerald
Rogue vs GuMiho
Epic.LAN
1d 5h
CrankTV Team League
1d 6h
BASILISK vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
Epic.LAN
2 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
2 days
Dewalt vs Shine
UltrA vs ZeLoT
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
3 days
Cross vs Motive
Sziky vs HiyA
BSL 21
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
WardiTV TLMC #15
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.