EU Diamond Map-specific Race Win-%s

Silu

Finland165 Posts

September 03 2010 10:37 GMT

I did a similar thing in beta phase 2 when the new battle.net website first became available, and as far as I know there hasn't been a similar statistic made since.

What I did:

The map, game type and win/loss of everyone's last 25 games is shown on their battle.net profile website. Courtesy of www.sc2ranks.com (thanks!), I mined through this match history of all EU Diamond players and gathered the win/loss for each 1v1 game (so only solo ladder is included, no custom games). Note that using this method, or any other I know, it's not possible to calculate specific matchup win percentages, as the opponent or their race is not shown. Also note that the system is not zero-sum (that is, the numbers don't "add up to 50%"), as 1) this includes games played by Diamond players against lower league players 2) this only includes everyone's last 0-25 1v1 matches (depending what types of games they have played lately).

I separately included the stats for players ranked 1-5000 on EU, and all EU Diamond players. Note that the former might not be statistically significant for all cases, and for random players neither is probably very statistically significant. I've highlighted some of the results that struck me as interesting, either because the result differs from my understanding of the "mainstream opinion", or because the result is even better/worse than people might think (like the Zerg highlights). Come into your own conclusions! Hope the other statistics nuts around get their daily fix on this

All EU Diamond players with mirror match bias removed:

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Terran on Lost Temple : 2813/4934 = 57.01%
Terran on Metalopolis : 2496/4501 = 55.45%
Terran on Kulas Ravine : 1713/3117 = 54.95%
Terran on Xel'Naga Caverns : 2606/4791 = 54.39%
Terran on Steppes of War : 2767/5134 = 53.89%
Terran on Desert Oasis : 1349/2514 = 53.65%
Terran on Delta Quadrant : 1686/3156 = 53.42%
Terran on Scrap Station : 1893/3637 = 52.04%
Terran on Blistering Sands : 2088/4175 = 50.01%

Zerg on Scrap Station : 2341/4097 = 57.13%
Zerg on Desert Oasis : 1359/2479 = 54.82%
Zerg on Blistering Sands : 2448/4476 = 54.69%
Zerg on Metalopolis : 2437/4573 = 53.29%
Zerg on Lost Temple : 2341/4444 = 52.67%
Zerg on Xel'Naga Caverns : 2366/4559 = 51.89%
Zerg on Steppes of War : 2336/4616 = 50.60%
Zerg on Kulas Ravine : 1235/2443 = 50.55%
Zerg on Delta Quadrant : 1424/2938 = 48.46%

Protoss on Desert Oasis : 1855/3415 = 54.31%
Protoss on Blistering Sands : 3337/6238 = 53.49%
Protoss on Xel'Naga Caverns : 3463/6512 = 53.17%
Protoss on Steppes of War : 3718/7000 = 53.11%
Protoss on Delta Quadrant : 2159/4071 = 53.03%
Protoss on Kulas Ravine : 2150/4067 = 52.86%
Protoss on Metalopolis : 3257/6164 = 52.83%
Protoss on Lost Temple : 3398/6608 = 51.42%
Protoss on Scrap Station : 2636/5128 = 51.40%

Stats with bias included

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5000 best ranked EU Diamond players:

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Terran on Lost Temple : 1596/2849 = 56.01 %
Terran on Metalopolis : 1476/2638 = 55.95 %
Terran on Steppes of War : 1571/2830 = 55.51 %
Terran on Xel'Naga Caverns : 1401/2620 = 53.47 %
Terran on Desert Oasis : 596/1116 = 53.40 %
Terran on Scrap Station : 1037/1943 = 53.37 %
Terran on Delta Quadrant : 994/1864 = 53.32 %
Terran on Blistering Sands : 1144/2175 = 52.59 %
Terran on Kulas Ravine : 902/1715 = 52.59 %

Zerg on Scrap Station : 1327/2348 = 56.51 %
Zerg on Blistering Sands : 1344/2441 = 55.05 %
Zerg on Desert Oasis : 635/1177 = 53.95 %
Zerg on Metalopolis : 1452/2702 = 53.73 %
Zerg on Lost Temple : 1380/2580 = 53.48 %
Zerg on Xel'Naga Caverns : 1366/2593 = 52.68 %
Zerg on Steppes of War : 1295/2494 = 51.92 %
Zerg on Kulas Ravine : 682/1320 = 51.66 %
Zerg on Delta Quadrant : 824/1623 = 50.77 %

Protoss on Desert Oasis : 773/1386 = 55.77 %
Protoss on Xel'Naga Caverns : 1740/3153 = 55.18 %
Protoss on Kulas Ravine : 1118/2041 = 54.77 %
Protoss on Steppes of War : 1884/3504 = 53.76 %
Protoss on Delta Quadrant : 1210/2251 = 53.75 %
Protoss on Blistering Sands : 1674/3138 = 53.34 %
Protoss on Metalopolis : 1804/3386 = 53.27 %
Protoss on Lost Temple : 1870/3568 = 52.41 %
Protoss on Scrap Station : 1250/2458 = 50.85 %

Random on Blistering Sands : 309/546 = 56.59 %
Random on Steppes of War : 300/542 = 55.35 %
Random on Scrap Station : 255/462 = 55.19 %
Random on Delta Quadrant : 215/390 = 55.12 %
Random on Kulas Ravine : 194/352 = 55.11 %
Random on Desert Oasis : 144/263 = 54.75 %
Random on Xel'Naga Caverns : 270/512 = 52.73 %
Random on Metalopolis : 268/518 = 51.73 %
Random on Lost Temple : 256/529 = 48.39 %

All EU Diamond players (~19500):

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Terran on Lost Temple : 4325/7959 = 54.34 %
Terran on Metalopolis : 3876/7261 = 53.38 %
Terran on Kulas Ravine : 2668/5028 = 53.06 %
Terran on Xel'Naga Caverns : 4074/7728 = 52.71 %
Terran on Steppes of War : 4341/8282 = 52.41 %
Terran on Desert Oasis : 2120/4056 = 52.26 %
Terran on Delta Quadrant : 2653/5091 = 52.11 %
Terran on Scrap Station : 3008/5867 = 51.26 %
Terran on Blistering Sands : 3367/6734 = 50.0 %

Zerg on Scrap Station : 3350/6116 = 54.77 %
Zerg on Desert Oasis : 1970/3701 = 53.22 %
Zerg on Blistering Sands : 3551/6682 = 53.14 %
Zerg on Metalopolis : 3563/6826 = 52.19 %
Zerg on Lost Temple : 3436/6634 = 51.79 %
Zerg on Xel'Naga Caverns : 3489/6805 = 51.27 %
Zerg on Steppes of War : 3473/6891 = 50.39 %
Zerg on Kulas Ravine : 1837/3647 = 50.37 %
Zerg on Delta Quadrant : 2148/4386 = 48.97 %

Protoss on Desert Oasis : 2553/4811 = 53.06 %
Protoss on Blistering Sands : 4611/8786 = 52.48 %
Protoss on Xel'Naga Caverns : 4793/9173 = 52.25 %
Protoss on Steppes of War : 5148/9860 = 52.21 %
Protoss on Delta Quadrant : 2991/5735 = 52.15 %
Protoss on Kulas Ravine : 2981/5729 = 52.03 %
Protoss on Metalopolis : 4516/8682 = 52.01 %
Protoss on Lost Temple : 4748/9308 = 51.01 %
Protoss on Scrap Station : 3683/7223 = 50.98 %

Random on Steppes of War : 1107/2073 = 53.40 %
Random on Delta Quadrant : 736/1388 = 53.02 %
Random on Scrap Station : 952/1798 = 52.94 %
Random on Kulas Ravine : 698/1343 = 51.97 %
Random on Blistering Sands : 1032/2006 = 51.45 %
Random on Xel'Naga Caverns : 1018/1981 = 51.38 %
Random on Desert Oasis : 601/1177 = 51.06 %
Random on Metalopolis : 969/1916 = 50.57 %
Random on Lost Temple : 1017/2020 = 50.34 %

BuzzJuice

United States97 Posts

September 03 2010 10:47 GMT

Hm.... If we are having so much trouble gathering data on SC2, what of Blizzard?

Nice work Silu.

Viruuus

Germany451 Posts

September 03 2010 11:27 GMT

I knew Delta Quadrant was a piece of shit map, but its funny to see that it is even THAT bad

Kulas stats are quite weird, i agree with you highlighting that. I guess the imbaness is even worse in TvP then it is in ZvX, or all Zergs just cheese on that map since they hate it, i dont know

StupidFatHobbit

United States98 Posts

September 03 2010 11:34 GMT

A very large number of zergs have Kulas X'd out. If you pick zerg and don't X out kulas you will get a ton of zvt on it because practically none of the terrans X it out.

Tufas

Austria2259 Posts

September 03 2010 11:36 GMT

If I read this correctly, most wins go to random players. I love that. Statistic agrees with me, blistering sand is the worst map for terran (same percentage as kulas ravine). Another interesting fact : No one likes to play desert oasis.

Mandalor

Germany2362 Posts

September 03 2010 11:40 GMT

Why is it that Protoss has such good stats on Desert Oasis? There's no way to fast expand on it as P and the mineral line is very vulnerable to siege tanks. That's the only statistic that's really odd to me.

Alexstrasas

302 Posts

September 03 2010 11:43 GMT

On September 03 2010 20:36 Tufas wrote:
If I read this correctly, most wins go to random players. I love that. Statistic agrees with me, blistering sand is the worst map for terran (same percentage as kulas ravine). Another interesting fact : No one likes to play desert oasis.

i actualy find it very very weird that ppl bash desert oasis while no one mentions scrap station.

Scrap station is a piece of shit map 10x worse than desert oasis, anyone not playing zerg should turn it off by default

Alexstrasas

302 Posts

September 03 2010 11:43 GMT

On September 03 2010 20:40 Mandalor wrote:
Why is it that Protoss has such good stats on Desert Oasis? There's no way to fast expand on it as P and the mineral line is very vulnerable to siege tanks. That's the only statistic that's really odd to me.

Fast void ray ?

jarlelin

Norway31 Posts

September 03 2010 11:44 GMT

Protoss is very very strong on 1 base and DO allows for very powerful VR play. Thats my thoughts on in at least.

ChickenLips

2912 Posts

September 03 2010 11:46 GMT

#10

Void Rays.

rsol

Australia117 Posts

September 03 2010 11:48 GMT

#11

4 gate nullifies the huge rush distance + 1 basing + everyone who doesn't probably thumbs it down

Dionyseus

United States2068 Posts

September 03 2010 11:50 GMT

#12

On September 03 2010 19:37 Silu wrote:
I did a similar thing in beta phase 2 when the new battle.net website first became available, and as far as I know there hasn't been a similar statistic made since.

What I did:

The map, game type and win/loss of everyone's last 25 games is shown on their battle.net profile website. Courtesy of www.sc2ranks.com (thanks!), I mined through this match history of all EU Diamond players and gathered the win/loss for each 1v1 game (so only solo ladder is included, no custom games). Note that using this method, or any other I know, it's not possible to calculate specific matchup win percentages, as the opponent or their race is not shown. Also note that the system is not zero-sum (that is, the numbers don't "add up to 50%"), as 1) this includes games played by Diamond players against lower league players 2) this only includes everyone's last 0-25 1v1 matches (depending what types of games they have played lately).

I separately included the stats for players ranked 1-5000 on EU, and all EU Diamond players. Note that the former might not be statistically significant for all cases, and for random players neither is probably very statistically significant. I've highlighted some of the results that struck me as interesting, either because the result differs from my understanding of the "mainstream opinion", or because the result is even better/worse than people might think (like the Zerg highlights). Come into your own conclusions! Hope the other statistics nuts around get their daily fix on this

5000 best ranked EU Diamond players:

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All EU Diamond players (~19500):

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If you're in Euro you can just add each character to your friend list in-game and see their entire match history. You'll get much more information than the pathetic blizzard website.

Silu

Finland165 Posts

September 03 2010 11:57 GMT

#13

On September 03 2010 20:50 Dionyseus wrote:

If you're in Euro you can just add each character to your friend list in-game and see their entire match history. You'll get much more information than the pathetic blizzard website.

Sure, if I want to handle 19600 player match histories by hand. If you know how to do that automatically, do share. Other than making some weirdo macro that uses extensive screencapping and OCR to parse the data.

Pixel.

Netherlands287 Posts

September 03 2010 12:10 GMT

#14

Because Protoss is strongest with 1 base.

nihoh

Australia978 Posts

September 03 2010 12:16 GMT

#15

Stalker mobility might also be a factor imo.

Endorsed

Netherlands1221 Posts

September 03 2010 12:17 GMT

#16

Glad I could be a part of this

Kulas Ravine is really interesting, never expected that.

ChickenLips

2912 Posts

September 03 2010 12:27 GMT

#17

On September 03 2010 21:10 Pixel. wrote:

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Because Protoss is strongest with 1 base.

Terran is strongest on one base because of mules. Protoss are just very very used to one basing.

kar1181

United Kingdom515 Posts

September 03 2010 12:41 GMT

#18

I disagree, Terran is definitely the strongest off one base. But the short air distance means void rays are pretty tough to stop. Especially against zerg or other protoss.

MrCeeJ

United Kingdom57 Posts

September 03 2010 12:45 GMT

#19

Without knowing what race the opponent was the % are a bit distorted. Given that there are more Terrans than the others more than 1/3 of the games in the Terran section will be mirror matches where as less than 1/3 of the zergs are.

Also games played against a race that is strong on this map will be biased against, whilst games played against races that are weak on the map will be biased towards the current race.

These two anomalies make it very hard to come to any conclusions about map balance when the different % are so close to each other.

Perhaps taking the top 1000 of each race and looking at a fixed number of their games would give you a better 'source' pool, but you still have the problem that their opponents are of unevenly distributed race compositions..

simme123

Sweden810 Posts

September 03 2010 12:46 GMT

#20

This didn't suprise me at all .p

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