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Punkstar
Profile Joined July 2010
Slovakia522 Posts
September 15 2010 12:52 GMT
#661
On September 15 2010 20:55 TheRabidDeer wrote:
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On September 15 2010 19:21 Senx wrote:
On September 15 2010 19:17 kickinhead wrote:
On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done.


Gimme 1 good reason why?


Beacuse GOM and Blizzard are partners and they dont want to create a mess out of an ongoing tournament?

What if in the RO8 all that is left is terran? IMO, that would be the single most disastrous thing that could possibly happen in any big tournament, let alone the first.

Im actually hoping for something like that to happen so alll the non believers will finally shut up..
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12111 Posts
September 15 2010 12:56 GMT
#662
On September 15 2010 21:52 Punkstar wrote:
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On September 15 2010 20:55 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On September 15 2010 19:21 Senx wrote:
On September 15 2010 19:17 kickinhead wrote:
On September 15 2010 18:08 bjwithbraces wrote:
psure blizzard won't patch until this GSL season is done.


Gimme 1 good reason why?


Beacuse GOM and Blizzard are partners and they dont want to create a mess out of an ongoing tournament?

What if in the RO8 all that is left is terran? IMO, that would be the single most disastrous thing that could possibly happen in any big tournament, let alone the first.

Im actually hoping for something like that to happen so alll the non believers will finally shut up..


Considering how many P that are left I find an all T RO8 to be unrealistic.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
September 15 2010 12:56 GMT
#663
On September 15 2010 21:50 Therickz wrote:
only goes to show that terran players are the most skilled players, not that it is overpowered

I can't decide if you actually believe all the best players just happened to pick terran, or if you are terrified of a possible incoming nerf for your race D:
SilverPotato
Profile Joined July 2010
United States560 Posts
September 15 2010 12:57 GMT
#664
I think we need better Zerg players is all.
"The ability to learn faster than your competitors may be the only sustainable competitive advantage." ~Arie de Geus
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
September 15 2010 13:34 GMT
#665
On September 15 2010 21:57 SilverPotato wrote:
I think we need better Zerg players is all.


Even if it would be the case that the Zerg-players are just bad and smaller in numbers, which it clearly isn't, sth. still would be wrong.

Playing Zerg just isn't appealing atm. cuz you have a much harder time to win, they have the least amount of Units, are defending most of the game against uber-harrass-units/timing-pushes, have the least rewarding macro-abilities that require the most APM and are the most punishing if you neglect them etc.

Even if Zerg would be balanced, that stuff would still make less ppl play Zerg, but on top of that, it's even a weaker race!
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
September 15 2010 13:36 GMT
#666
On September 14 2010 02:29 SilverPotato wrote:
Sheesh, Zerg players need to get better or something. I guess Ret will be helping balance this out

Not if his Zerg play is going to be similar to what I seen him do against Rotterdam yesterday on DecemvreTV stream. That was really bad Zerg play. None can expect anything from him for at least a month of hard practice and learning all the tricks of sc2.
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
September 15 2010 13:40 GMT
#667
The game is balanced, don't question Blizzard. The game is balanced, don't question Blizzard. The game is balanced, don't question Blizzard. The game is balanced, don't question Blizzard. The game is balanced, don't question Blizzard.

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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
September 15 2010 13:43 GMT
#668
On September 15 2010 22:40 Rev0lution wrote:
The game is balanced, don't question Blizzard. The game is balanced, don't question Blizzard. The game is balanced, don't question Blizzard. The game is balanced, don't question Blizzard. The game is balanced, don't question Blizzard.

Stop trolling, plz.
btw, nice effort. Hope that Blizzard see this
Terran
ensis
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany340 Posts
September 15 2010 13:47 GMT
#669
On September 15 2010 17:52 MorroW wrote:
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On September 15 2010 16:47 Geo.Rion wrote:
On September 15 2010 16:38 ensis wrote:
i dont really care, if top-level-players post here. not as long as they spout some shit like morrow does, like telling that reaper micro is really hard.
just for instance. every player, that ever played stalker or roaches against zealots will state, that its not that freaking hard, in addition those fuckers can jump cliffs.
though i really appreciate it, when people like qxc or naruto just stood up and made a thread here, clearly saying, that THEIR OWN RACE is imbalanced. or drewbie stating in a interview, that he also thinks that terran is imbalanced and helped him of course raising high. big respect to them.
and it´s already stated in this thread, that there are way too many over-modest progamers, who just won´t speak their mind. take madfrog at iem.


the problem with Morrow saying reaper micro is hard is that he admittedly learnt the build like 2 days before he won a large-money tournament with them, in a convincing manner. So either he's the new Boxer-Jaedong Hybrid, or that micro just inst that hard

starcraft 2 in general is actually that easy for terran (not gonna talk about the other races because i didnt play them enough).

playing mass reaper the last 2 days with top zergs to help and support me boosted me up so high, its not like u need 200 tvzs to practice wraith patrol micro to get good at it (sc1) here its just the overall gameplan and simple bo structure that i had to learn, and sure some little techniques to micro and macro same time with this build to get a good gameflow but learning a new playstyle is quite easy in this game if u got the basic knowledge of the game and higher mechanics than needed

and thats exactly why i feel so confident saying idra would be equal or better terran really quickly if he switched. TLO isnt a god of sc2 still me manged to play really high level in all matchups.

so dont come and say 2days of preparation with top zergs coaching is not enough in sc2, because it is lol and thats what i think is so sad about the game for all beta and release, only mu i want to compare with hard skill it takes to play from sc1 is tvt


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On September 15 2010 17:36 amanet wrote:
naniwa has 3 1st places in zotac i think ...

that was beta stage where he won with 4gate in every game (i could remember this wrong)



hmmmmmm, the reason why tvt is the most skill requiring matchup in your opinion could be that, it´s the only matchup thats actually balanced -.-
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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
September 15 2010 13:47 GMT
#670
On September 15 2010 21:50 Therickz wrote:
only goes to show that terran players are the most skilled players, not that it is overpowered


Yo man, you sound like a leet player, dog. Why don't you switch to playing zerg and show those fools how it's done?
ltortoise
Profile Joined August 2010
633 Posts
September 15 2010 13:59 GMT
#671
How long has BW been considered balanced, now?

How many times has racial power shifted? MANY TIMES, without changes to the game.

All the IMBA QQ is really pissing me off.

If you can't handle a race having a (PROBABLY TEMPORARY) advantage, you shouldn't be playing RTS, as this always always always happens, even in the most balanced games possible like BW.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
September 15 2010 14:16 GMT
#672
On September 15 2010 22:59 ltortoise wrote:
How long has BW been considered balanced, now?

How many times has racial power shifted? MANY TIMES, without changes to the game.

All the IMBA QQ is really pissing me off.

If you can't handle a race having a (PROBABLY TEMPORARY) advantage, you shouldn't be playing RTS, as this always always always happens, even in the most balanced games possible like BW.


Of course there are power shifts within RTSes once they are balanced but that doesn't mean sometimes real imbalances don't exist either. Especially when the game hasn't even been patched post-release yet.
ltortoise
Profile Joined August 2010
633 Posts
September 15 2010 14:18 GMT
#673
On September 15 2010 23:16 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 22:59 ltortoise wrote:
How long has BW been considered balanced, now?

How many times has racial power shifted? MANY TIMES, without changes to the game.

All the IMBA QQ is really pissing me off.

If you can't handle a race having a (PROBABLY TEMPORARY) advantage, you shouldn't be playing RTS, as this always always always happens, even in the most balanced games possible like BW.


Of course there are power shifts within RTSes once they are balanced but that doesn't mean sometimes real imbalances don't exist either. Especially when the game hasn't even been patched post-release yet.


Continuously whining about it doesn't help anything. It just turns the forums into an unreadable shithole. I can't be the only one sick of seeing every other thread degenerate into ___ IS IMBA.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
September 15 2010 14:24 GMT
#674
On September 15 2010 23:18 ltortoise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 23:16 tomatriedes wrote:
On September 15 2010 22:59 ltortoise wrote:
How long has BW been considered balanced, now?

How many times has racial power shifted? MANY TIMES, without changes to the game.

All the IMBA QQ is really pissing me off.

If you can't handle a race having a (PROBABLY TEMPORARY) advantage, you shouldn't be playing RTS, as this always always always happens, even in the most balanced games possible like BW.


Of course there are power shifts within RTSes once they are balanced but that doesn't mean sometimes real imbalances don't exist either. Especially when the game hasn't even been patched post-release yet.


Continuously whining about it doesn't help anything. It just turns the forums into an unreadable shithole. I can't be the only one sick of seeing every other thread degenerate into ___ IS IMBA.


Personally I'm just as sick of the people constantly QQing about QQing and whining about whining. Don't try and act like you're any better. A lot of people are trying to have reasonable discussions about balance and comments like these don't contribute anything.
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
September 15 2010 14:25 GMT
#675
On September 15 2010 23:18 ltortoise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 23:16 tomatriedes wrote:
On September 15 2010 22:59 ltortoise wrote:
How long has BW been considered balanced, now?

How many times has racial power shifted? MANY TIMES, without changes to the game.

All the IMBA QQ is really pissing me off.

If you can't handle a race having a (PROBABLY TEMPORARY) advantage, you shouldn't be playing RTS, as this always always always happens, even in the most balanced games possible like BW.


Of course there are power shifts within RTSes once they are balanced but that doesn't mean sometimes real imbalances don't exist either. Especially when the game hasn't even been patched post-release yet.


Continuously whining about it doesn't help anything. It just turns the forums into an unreadable shithole. I can't be the only one sick of seeing every other thread degenerate into ___ IS IMBA.


Yeah, but it's way more fun for all the Zerg's getting sick of SC2 itself because it's so frustrating to loose to inferior players.... -.-°

You don't have to read the post's after all and still have lots and lots of fun trolling around in this forum, now what are Zerg-players gonna do - Play the campaign? Switch races to the IMBA or the easy-race?

I wanna play Zerg but I want them to be balanced and everyone who cared about the game at all, wants it to be balanced as well.
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ltortoise
Profile Joined August 2010
633 Posts
September 15 2010 14:31 GMT
#676
On September 15 2010 23:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 23:18 ltortoise wrote:
On September 15 2010 23:16 tomatriedes wrote:
On September 15 2010 22:59 ltortoise wrote:
How long has BW been considered balanced, now?

How many times has racial power shifted? MANY TIMES, without changes to the game.

All the IMBA QQ is really pissing me off.

If you can't handle a race having a (PROBABLY TEMPORARY) advantage, you shouldn't be playing RTS, as this always always always happens, even in the most balanced games possible like BW.


Of course there are power shifts within RTSes once they are balanced but that doesn't mean sometimes real imbalances don't exist either. Especially when the game hasn't even been patched post-release yet.


Continuously whining about it doesn't help anything. It just turns the forums into an unreadable shithole. I can't be the only one sick of seeing every other thread degenerate into ___ IS IMBA.


Personally I'm just as sick of the people constantly QQing about QQing and whining about whining. Don't try and act like you're any better. A lot of people are trying to have reasonable discussions about balance and comments like these don't contribute anything.


Let Blizzard do the balancing. They're the professionals and the ones who made BW.

Nobody wants the game balanced more than Blizzard.
Suikakuju
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany238 Posts
September 15 2010 14:33 GMT
#677
I really think we can talk about balance/or imbalance after release of the two addons to come.

Until then, its just adjusting...here and there.
Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone.
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
September 15 2010 14:35 GMT
#678
On September 15 2010 23:18 ltortoise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 23:16 tomatriedes wrote:
On September 15 2010 22:59 ltortoise wrote:
How long has BW been considered balanced, now?

How many times has racial power shifted? MANY TIMES, without changes to the game.

All the IMBA QQ is really pissing me off.

If you can't handle a race having a (PROBABLY TEMPORARY) advantage, you shouldn't be playing RTS, as this always always always happens, even in the most balanced games possible like BW.


Of course there are power shifts within RTSes once they are balanced but that doesn't mean sometimes real imbalances don't exist either. Especially when the game hasn't even been patched post-release yet.


Continuously whining about it doesn't help anything. It just turns the forums into an unreadable shithole. I can't be the only one sick of seeing every other thread degenerate into ___ IS IMBA.


if it wasn't for the whining, blizzard wouldn't even know about the balance issues.
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
ltortoise
Profile Joined August 2010
633 Posts
September 15 2010 14:37 GMT
#679
On September 15 2010 23:35 ilbh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 23:18 ltortoise wrote:
On September 15 2010 23:16 tomatriedes wrote:
On September 15 2010 22:59 ltortoise wrote:
How long has BW been considered balanced, now?

How many times has racial power shifted? MANY TIMES, without changes to the game.

All the IMBA QQ is really pissing me off.

If you can't handle a race having a (PROBABLY TEMPORARY) advantage, you shouldn't be playing RTS, as this always always always happens, even in the most balanced games possible like BW.


Of course there are power shifts within RTSes once they are balanced but that doesn't mean sometimes real imbalances don't exist either. Especially when the game hasn't even been patched post-release yet.


Continuously whining about it doesn't help anything. It just turns the forums into an unreadable shithole. I can't be the only one sick of seeing every other thread degenerate into ___ IS IMBA.


if it wasn't for the whining, blizzard wouldn't even know about the balance issues.


I simply disagree. Blizzard isn't stupid. You think they don't keep up with the tournament results just like we do?

Are you kidding? A majority of whiny TL regulars yelling "IMBA" doesn't make it true, and Blizzard knows this best of all, simply by watching bw evolve over the years... It still is evolving! WITH NO CHANGES. What a surprise.

Blizzard will come to their own conclusions, with or without whiny forums.
InRaged
Profile Joined February 2007
1047 Posts
September 15 2010 14:52 GMT
#680
On September 15 2010 23:37 ltortoise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 23:35 ilbh wrote:
On September 15 2010 23:18 ltortoise wrote:
On September 15 2010 23:16 tomatriedes wrote:
On September 15 2010 22:59 ltortoise wrote:
How long has BW been considered balanced, now?

How many times has racial power shifted? MANY TIMES, without changes to the game.

All the IMBA QQ is really pissing me off.

If you can't handle a race having a (PROBABLY TEMPORARY) advantage, you shouldn't be playing RTS, as this always always always happens, even in the most balanced games possible like BW.


Of course there are power shifts within RTSes once they are balanced but that doesn't mean sometimes real imbalances don't exist either. Especially when the game hasn't even been patched post-release yet.


Continuously whining about it doesn't help anything. It just turns the forums into an unreadable shithole. I can't be the only one sick of seeing every other thread degenerate into ___ IS IMBA.


if it wasn't for the whining, blizzard wouldn't even know about the balance issues.


I simply disagree. Blizzard isn't stupid. You think they don't keep up with the tournament results just like we do?

Are you kidding? A majority of whiny TL regulars yelling "IMBA" doesn't make it true, and Blizzard knows this best of all, simply by watching bw evolve over the years... It still is evolving! WITH NO CHANGES. What a surprise.

You are wrong. There are regular changes in BW that greatly affect balance. Changes in map pool, that is. Balancing through map changes isn't good idea for SC2 though, cause that will have negative impact on map pool diversity.
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