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On September 16 2010 22:03 w1kk wrote:
Zerg is so much harder to play. I would like to see if morrow would be as good if he were playing zerg. i dont believe it.
Recently someone told me how easy it is to counter High Templars as Zerg.
All we have to do is, besides flanking the opponent and watch out where we fight because of bad designed maps and reproducing drones and units, just FG the Templar group, FG the Blink Stalkers, NP 1-2 HT and Storm the group.
sounds awesome if i only had 2 more hands to do this.
HT is easy to counter because storm has such small radius and only one-shots zerglings. they are easily picked off with hydras or muta.
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On September 16 2010 22:14 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 22:03 w1kk wrote:
Zerg is so much harder to play. I would like to see if morrow would be as good if he were playing zerg. i dont believe it.
Recently someone told me how easy it is to counter High Templars as Zerg.
All we have to do is, besides flanking the opponent and watch out where we fight because of bad designed maps and reproducing drones and units, just FG the Templar group, FG the Blink Stalkers, NP 1-2 HT and Storm the group.
sounds awesome if i only had 2 more hands to do this.
HT is easy to counter because storm has such small radius and only one-shots zerglings. they are easily picked off with hydras or muta.
Nice Troll.
Anyway, I would love to see one of the top EU Terran ( Morrow, Demuslim ... ) play zerg in a tournament. I wonder if this would change their point f vue on the Zerg race  . ( Before any patch ofc :p)
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On September 16 2010 22:05 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 21:55 sadyque wrote:On September 16 2010 21:41 DTown wrote:On September 16 2010 20:56 a176 wrote:
Morrow,
please switch. zerg has such a lack of players, "high skill level" or not. but also, prove everyone wrong. show us that zerg can win tournaments. lol, a notable terran player switching to zerg. That'll be the day. And if he did and he would win the same amount of tournaments what would that prove? Im betting the zerg whiners will still go "ooooooh but he is just one player with imbawtfpwnage 300000000 apm and skillz like god thats why he can win with Zerg...." lol morrow wins a single prized tournament with zerg and ill never say the word balance again
I soo wish that would happen but i srsly doubt it...(the morrow go zerg and win part..)
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The thing is, I don't doubt that all the top players at least have practiced with their off-race. If only to learn Timings and stuff. It's good practice to at least play other races so you know what your talking about when posting on forums and have a clearer understanding of your own gameplay.
ie. how annoying it actually is to deal with mutas as T or P.
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Finally, hopefully all cries of imbalance can now stop since this shows that Terran players are just better than Zerg players as the tournament record shows.
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On September 16 2010 23:08 Mearis wrote:
Finally, hopefully all cries of imbalance can now stop since this shows that Terran players are just better than Zerg players as the tournament record shows.
ur logic is infallible.
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Wrote this in the battle.net forums (because there are so many genius there (rolls eyes). ANYWAYS, I thought that I made a legitimate point that shows that the "since more terran play, they should win more" is a stupid excuse. I'm just wondering if there's a legitimate reason that proves me wrong (which I really do want to know...) Anyways...here:
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Most played race: Terran
At the moment, there are some balance issues with Terran. That said, there are also balance issues with Protoss (especially against Zerg). I understand you are sticking up for your race but denying it is like denying the holocost, especially after the given statistics. There -ARE- good terrans. However it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to tell whos good and whos not due to the simplicity of MMM(G) T-A-Click
May I ask why more people play Terran? (And don't give me this It was in Single player crap, like that matters at high level play). (I'm not trying to argue, I actually want to know what is the ratio/percentage for each race). NOW... From http://sc2ranks.com/stats/all/1/all, I can see that about 20% of all diamond players are Zerg. Now if we take that same percentage and applied it to pro gamers/people who played in these tournaments (even though there are usually and EQUAL amount of each race in these tournaments), why have zerg not win 20% of these tourneys? Also, I don't mind Blizz taking their time (even though that report release and not putting up the patch yet is killing me...), as long as the fixes are correct. Is this future patch going to fix a lot? Maybe, maybe not, we don't know. Also, strategies are changing. When 5 Rax reaper (If you don't know what this is, don't even bother talking about balance issues, and I'm not trying to be an elitist or something, but if you actually played SC alot, you would know what it meant) first came out, it was really hard for Z players to deal, but now (even though it is still tough) pro gamers and dealing with it, and it isn't an instant win. People get better/change the way they play/adapt to strats over time, we can't deny this. But somethings just need to be changed...
so basically, it shouldn't matter whether there are more or less of one race in tournaments because they are usually even in number (sorry I don't have proof and this is one weak point in my argument). Also, 20% of Diamond players are Zerg, so why don't zerg players win 20% of all tournaments?
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On September 16 2010 22:05 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 21:55 sadyque wrote:On September 16 2010 21:41 DTown wrote:On September 16 2010 20:56 a176 wrote:
Morrow,
please switch. zerg has such a lack of players, "high skill level" or not. but also, prove everyone wrong. show us that zerg can win tournaments. lol, a notable terran player switching to zerg. That'll be the day. And if he did and he would win the same amount of tournaments what would that prove? Im betting the zerg whiners will still go "ooooooh but he is just one player with imbawtfpwnage 300000000 apm and skillz like god thats why he can win with Zerg...." lol morrow wins a single prized tournament with zerg and ill never say the word balance again
-Challenge Extended-
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On September 14 2010 19:17 Liquid`Ret wrote:Dimaga hasn't won anything since earlier days of beta when game wasn't in the state it's in now (few patches ago). Same goes for Haypro. Morrow your claims about their not being enough zergs practicing hard is totally silly 
Thank you, a person actually speaks truth.
However I must say MorroW..
You playing Zerg would not only embarass you, but other Terrans as well. You will only show that you'd be back to being a 'good' player and not a 'great' player. It will show that the "One of the Best Terran Players" can't even win a tournament with Zerg, therefore proving all high level zerg players correct.
Not only for yourself, but for other Terran players around you, do not switch, it will only end up making Zergs and other competent players right.
Its simple, Zerg is quite underpowered as of right now, its a fact. Anyone who disagrees is either incompetent, stubborn, or a troll.
Which is fine, and we shall wait for more patches to come to balance the game. However, don't come here and blow smoke up our asses talking about that there is "not enough zergs in tournies" or "Derp Dimaga Wins!", Dimaga hasn't won anything as of recent, did you see how happy he was to place 3rd at IEM?
![[image loading]](http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i148/samsamsam_2006/3rdplace.png)
There is no need to exaggerate or be stubborn, just be professional and admit the current state of the game. This is no disrespect to you morrow, but the truth must be folded out time to time.
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On September 17 2010 14:56 Smigi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:17 Liquid`Ret wrote:Dimaga hasn't won anything since earlier days of beta when game wasn't in the state it's in now (few patches ago). Same goes for Haypro. Morrow your claims about their not being enough zergs practicing hard is totally silly Thank you, a person actually speaks truth in an non-insulting way. However I must say MorroW.. You playing Zerg would not only embarass you, but other Terrans as well. You will only show that you'd be back to being a 'good' player and not a 'great' player. It will show that the "One of the Best Terran Players" can't even win a tournament with Zerg, therefore proving all high level zerg players correct. Not only for yourself, but for other Terran players around you, do not switch, it will only end up making Zergs and other competent players right. Its simple, Zerg is quite underpowered as of right now, its a fact. Anyone who disagrees is either incompetent, stubborn, or a troll. Which is fine, and we shall wait for more patches to come to balance the game. However, don't come here and blow smoke up our asses talking about that there is "not enough zergs in tournies" or "Derp Dimaga Wins!", Dimaga hasn't won anything as of recent, did you see how happy he was to place 3rd at IEM? There is no need to exaggerate or be stubborn, just be professional and admit the current state of the game. This is no disrespect to you morrow, but the truth must be folded out time to time.
Not quite, for other Zerg players to be fully right, the opposite must also happen. A Zerg player must also win a tournament as T.
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Why would a zerg have to win a tournament as T? The T's there have put 900 games into terrna, the zerg 900 games into zerg, yet theres 22gold Terran wins and 2 gold Zerg wins. Plus arguably, the best foreign players from BW mostly play zerg. (Ret, dimaga, artosis, Idra ofc, mondragon) Morrow is a map hacker and shouldnt be rolling kids as T.
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On September 17 2010 15:15 Phayze wrote:
Why would a zerg have to win a tournament as T? The T's there have put 900 games into terrna, the zerg 900 games into zerg, yet theres 22gold Terran wins and 2 gold Zerg wins. Plus arguably, the best foreign players from BW mostly play zerg. (Ret, dimaga, artosis, Idra ofc, mondragon) Morrow is a map hacker and shouldnt be rolling kids as T.
Zerg being Underpowered is very different than Terran is Overpowered.
Having a Top Terran win as Zerg would say that Zerg is not underpowered.
Having a Zerg win as Terran would say that Terran is Overpowered.
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On September 17 2010 15:19 me_viet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 15:15 Phayze wrote:
Why would a zerg have to win a tournament as T? The T's there have put 900 games into terrna, the zerg 900 games into zerg, yet theres 22gold Terran wins and 2 gold Zerg wins. Plus arguably, the best foreign players from BW mostly play zerg. (Ret, dimaga, artosis, Idra ofc, mondragon) Morrow is a map hacker and shouldnt be rolling kids as T. Zerg being Underpowered is very different than Terran is Overpowered. Having a Top Terran win as Zerg would say that Zerg is not underpowered. Having a Zerg win as Terran would say that Terran is Overpowered.
Its not that simple, and thats a very small sample size to make those kinds of assumptions. it's completely statistics like this that show race balance, not who is having a good/bad day and who can play other races effectively.
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On September 17 2010 15:23 Phayze wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 15:19 me_viet wrote:On September 17 2010 15:15 Phayze wrote:
Why would a zerg have to win a tournament as T? The T's there have put 900 games into terrna, the zerg 900 games into zerg, yet theres 22gold Terran wins and 2 gold Zerg wins. Plus arguably, the best foreign players from BW mostly play zerg. (Ret, dimaga, artosis, Idra ofc, mondragon) Morrow is a map hacker and shouldnt be rolling kids as T. Zerg being Underpowered is very different than Terran is Overpowered. Having a Top Terran win as Zerg would say that Zerg is not underpowered. Having a Zerg win as Terran would say that Terran is Overpowered. Its not that simple, and thats a very small sample size to make those kinds of assumptions. it's completely statistics like this that show race balance, not who is having a good/bad day and who can play other races effectively.
Terran- 51
Protoss - 22
Zerg - 4
Look, there isn't anything you could draw from that conclusion except if nothing else, something needs to change with Zerg. Like, even if, for some reason, you could compute a mathematical formula for balance, and Zerg turned out balanced, when the difference between Zerg wins to Terran wins on a competitive level is 1500%, your going to need to change something about zerg.
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On September 17 2010 16:05 Half wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 15:23 Phayze wrote:On September 17 2010 15:19 me_viet wrote:On September 17 2010 15:15 Phayze wrote:
Why would a zerg have to win a tournament as T? The T's there have put 900 games into terrna, the zerg 900 games into zerg, yet theres 22gold Terran wins and 2 gold Zerg wins. Plus arguably, the best foreign players from BW mostly play zerg. (Ret, dimaga, artosis, Idra ofc, mondragon) Morrow is a map hacker and shouldnt be rolling kids as T. Zerg being Underpowered is very different than Terran is Overpowered. Having a Top Terran win as Zerg would say that Zerg is not underpowered. Having a Zerg win as Terran would say that Terran is Overpowered. Its not that simple, and thats a very small sample size to make those kinds of assumptions. it's completely statistics like this that show race balance, not who is having a good/bad day and who can play other races effectively. Terran- 51 Protoss - 22 Zerg - 4 Look, there isn't anything you could draw from that conclusion except if nothing else, something needs to change with Zerg. Like, even if, for some reason, you could compute a mathematical formula for balance, and Zerg turned out balanced, when the difference between Zerg wins to Terran wins on a competitive level is 1500%, your going to need to change something about zerg.
Lol i'm not even sure I follow these arguments anymore. I just really wanna see a ZvT with Morrow vs Idra except with off-race =P
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On September 17 2010 13:56 Subversion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 22:05 IdrA wrote:On September 16 2010 21:55 sadyque wrote:On September 16 2010 21:41 DTown wrote:On September 16 2010 20:56 a176 wrote:
Morrow,
please switch. zerg has such a lack of players, "high skill level" or not. but also, prove everyone wrong. show us that zerg can win tournaments. lol, a notable terran player switching to zerg. That'll be the day. And if he did and he would win the same amount of tournaments what would that prove? Im betting the zerg whiners will still go "ooooooh but he is just one player with imbawtfpwnage 300000000 apm and skillz like god thats why he can win with Zerg...." lol morrow wins a single prized tournament with zerg and ill never say the word balance again -Challenge Extended-
petition to fund this
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i think people forget morrow was still an A level BW player. its not like hes some random scrub who won a few tournies abusing X race
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On September 17 2010 16:13 Elegy wrote:
i think people forget morrow was still an A level BW player. its not like hes some random scrub who won a few tournies abusing X race
lol. so is idra.
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On September 17 2010 16:13 me_viet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 16:13 Elegy wrote:
i think people forget morrow was still an A level BW player. its not like hes some random scrub who won a few tournies abusing X race lol. so is idra.
well ofc idra is going to exaggerate things to a certain extent but hes a baller. i was referring to random people who just say morrow is a bad player who only wins because of his race and who don't either know or acknowledge that morrow is, surprisingly enough, very good at rts games ^^
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