Tournament winners since release - Page 36

On September 16 2010 22:03 w1kk wrote:
Zerg is so much harder to play. I would like to see if morrow would be as good if he were playing zerg. i dont believe it.

Recently someone told me how easy it is to counter High Templars as Zerg.
All we have to do is, besides flanking the opponent and watch out where we fight because of bad designed maps and reproducing drones and units, just FG the Templar group, FG the Blink Stalkers, NP 1-2 HT and Storm the group.
sounds awesome if i only had 2 more hands to do this.

On September 16 2010 22:14 a176 wrote:


HT is easy to counter because storm has such small radius and only one-shots zerglings. they are easily picked off with hydras or muta.

On September 16 2010 22:05 IdrA wrote:

lol
morrow wins a single prized tournament with zerg and ill never say the word balance again

On September 16 2010 23:08 Mearis wrote:
Finally, hopefully all cries of imbalance can now stop since this shows that Terran players are just better than Zerg players as the tournament record shows.

May I ask why more people play Terran? (And don't give me this It was in Single player crap, like that matters at high level play). (I'm not trying to argue, I actually want to know what is the ratio/percentage for each race).

NOW...
From http://sc2ranks.com/stats/all/1/all, I can see that about 20% of all diamond players are Zerg. Now if we take that same percentage and applied it to pro gamers/people who played in these tournaments (even though there are usually and EQUAL amount of each race in these tournaments), why have zerg not win 20% of these tourneys?

Also, I don't mind Blizz taking their time (even though that report release and not putting up the patch yet is killing me...), as long as the fixes are correct. Is this future patch going to fix a lot? Maybe, maybe not, we don't know. Also, strategies are changing. When 5 Rax reaper (If you don't know what this is, don't even bother talking about balance issues, and I'm not trying to be an elitist or something, but if you actually played SC alot, you would know what it meant) first came out, it was really hard for Z players to deal, but now (even though it is still tough) pro gamers and dealing with it, and it isn't an instant win.

People get better/change the way they play/adapt to strats over time, we can't deny this. But somethings just need to be changed...

On September 16 2010 22:05 IdrA wrote:

lol
morrow wins a single prized tournament with zerg and ill never say the word balance again

On September 14 2010 19:17 Liquid`Ret wrote:
Dimaga hasn't won anything since earlier days of beta when game wasn't in the state it's in now (few patches ago). Same goes for Haypro. Morrow your claims about their not being enough zergs practicing hard is totally silly

On September 17 2010 14:56 Smigi wrote:


Thank you, a person actually speaks truth in an non-insulting way.

However I must say MorroW..

You playing Zerg would not only embarass you, but other Terrans as well. You will only show that you'd be back to being a 'good' player and not a 'great' player. It will show that the "One of the Best Terran Players" can't even win a tournament with Zerg, therefore proving all high level zerg players correct.

Not only for yourself, but for other Terran players around you, do not switch, it will only end up making Zergs and other competent players right.

Its simple, Zerg is quite underpowered as of right now, its a fact. Anyone who disagrees is either incompetent, stubborn, or a troll.

Which is fine, and we shall wait for more patches to come to balance the game. However, don't come here and blow smoke up our asses talking about that there is "not enough zergs in tournies" or "Derp Dimaga Wins!", Dimaga hasn't won anything as of recent, did you see how happy he was to place 3rd at IEM?



There is no need to exaggerate or be stubborn, just be professional and admit the current state of the game. This is no disrespect to you morrow, but the truth must be folded out time to time.

On September 17 2010 15:15 Phayze wrote:
Why would a zerg have to win a tournament as T? The T's there have put 900 games into terrna, the zerg 900 games into zerg, yet theres 22gold Terran wins and 2 gold Zerg wins. Plus arguably, the best foreign players from BW mostly play zerg. (Ret, dimaga, artosis, Idra ofc, mondragon) Morrow is a map hacker and shouldnt be rolling kids as T.

On September 17 2010 15:19 me_viet wrote:


Zerg being Underpowered is very different than Terran is Overpowered.

Having a Top Terran win as Zerg would say that Zerg is not underpowered.

Having a Zerg win as Terran would say that Terran is Overpowered.

On September 17 2010 15:23 Phayze wrote:

Its not that simple, and thats a very small sample size to make those kinds of assumptions. it's completely statistics like this that show race balance, not who is having a good/bad day and who can play other races effectively.

On September 17 2010 16:05 Half wrote:


Terran- 51
Protoss - 22
Zerg - 4

Look, there isn't anything you could draw from that conclusion except if nothing else, something needs to change with Zerg. Like, even if, for some reason, you could compute a mathematical formula for balance, and Zerg turned out balanced, when the difference between Zerg wins to Terran wins on a competitive level is 1500%, your going to need to change something about zerg.

On September 17 2010 16:13 Elegy wrote:
i think people forget morrow was still an A level BW player. its not like hes some random scrub who won a few tournies abusing X race

On September 17 2010 16:13 me_viet wrote:


lol. so is idra.