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SnakeChomp
Canada125 Posts
Alternatively they could just improve worker AI so you don't need to micro to get additional income and rebalance the game at the same time. That way anyone can compete without being forced to learn this trick. I trust they'll do something about it though. | ||
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generic88
United States118 Posts
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nemahsys
Canada457 Posts
On September 14 2010 03:12 HTX wrote: sockfolder you are my hero. thanks for discovering and sharing. for everybody who is bitching around, you don`t deserve this game and your ignorance and lazyness is pissing me off. my apologies for the language cheers ya HuK, Psy, and Nazgul...take that! God you guys are so ignorant and lazy! [/sarcasm] | ||
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CPUDevil
Canada7 Posts
Over time it will become more of a second nature and execution will be perfected... I have a feeling a lot of people will be trying this and missing key milestone in their build over the next couple of days | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
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Buddhist
United States658 Posts
There's no way in hell you're going to increase your income by 7% average over the course of a game that lasts more than 2 minutes. If you have 10 workers and you perfectly execute this technique with all 10 of them, you'll get a 7% increase. Now say you have 30 workers, and perfectly execute the technique with 10. You'll barely get a 2% increase. In a game lasting 10 minutes or more, you aren't going to be getting even a 1% increase to income. | ||
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VERMM
United States39 Posts
On September 14 2010 07:31 SilverPotato wrote: Its the exact same travel distance between each patch and CC I think you are right but you should try making the same exact mineral type exactly where the current mineral patches are and see if there is no difference. Keeping the CC's where they are of course. I don't think the models themselves take more or less time to mine it's just that some models are shaped in a way where they are farther away from the CC even if they are on the exact same Y-axis coordinate. Maybe you could increase the distance between the minerals and the CC, having a CC for each mineral patch, because the angles of the patches and the CC might make the diagonal line's length to the CC different. [M]..........[M]..........[M] . . . . . . . . . [C]..........[C]..........[C] | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
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TitleRug
United States651 Posts
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Wargizmo
1237 Posts
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
On September 14 2010 06:56 SilverPotato wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFGP8djMFpY Video Link resource_test.SC2Map Hope this helps further the development! You need to repeat the same test after changing the location of the mineral patches. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
On September 14 2010 08:02 Buddhist wrote: I think a lot of people are confusing 7% per worker with 7% over the course of the game. There's no way in hell you're going to increase your income by 7% average over the course of a game that lasts more than 2 minutes. If you have 10 workers and you perfectly execute this technique with all 10 of them, you'll get a 7% increase. Now say you have 30 workers, and perfectly execute the technique with 10. You'll barely get a 2% increase. In a game lasting 10 minutes or more, you aren't going to be getting even a 1% increase to income. Seriously, this. I think people are blowing the importance of this trick way out of proportion. It's 7% more than you would normally get only for the first 5 minutes (unless you can somehow miraculously continue to do this afterward). Not 7% more for the whole game. | ||
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Batch
Sweden692 Posts
On September 14 2010 08:38 YourHarry wrote: You need to repeat the same test after changing the location of the mineral patches. A good way to tell if the workers actually travels different distants would be to repeat the test but only use one type of mineral patch on every position. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
On September 14 2010 08:43 Batch wrote: A good way to tell if the workers actually travels different distants would be to repeat the test but only use one type of mineral patch on every position. You designate each mineral patch from 1 to 10. Based on results of the first map, you rank the patches from fastest to slowest. You can switch the location of the fastest patch and slowest patch, for example, to figure out if the difference in the initial result was due to the location rather than the model itself. | ||
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Batch
Sweden692 Posts
On September 14 2010 08:41 Cofo wrote: Seriously, this. I think people are blowing the importance of this trick way out of proportion. It's 7% more than you would normally get only for the first 5 minutes (unless you can somehow miraculously continue to do this afterward). Not 7% more for the whole game. Agree. Even if this trick will let you build some early buildings a few seconds earlier this trick alone will not decide the game. I love this discovery since it allows good players to actually do something beneficial to their games instead of the silly worker boxes that many of the players do just to raise their APM...errr...I mean, warm up. This will not, and should not, be a high priority thing to patch for Blizzard even if they eventually will patch it. | ||
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illumination
Korea (South)248 Posts
-Separates high lvl players from low lvl -Hard to do and impossible to perfect -creates the frantic feeling throughout the entire game - just trying to play keep up -Further rewards people with skill in multitasking Pro/con-New potential openers can be created that may or may not help the game Cons: -Isn't visual for the spectator. You can see if player has good macro in sc1 but you cant see if a player is doing this. -Simply isn't as good as other types of macro. For example is would be harder to convince blizzard to remove automining when we already have this trick. -Has no effect late game because there are always more important things to do (unlike in sc1 where you players focus on sending workers to mine throughout the entire game.) Conclusion: I would say that it is better than NOTHING because its not like good players are doing anything useful during that time, and bad players are just bad. The only thing wrong with this is that it isnt nearly as good as the alternatives and I believe we may be actually hurt in the long run by this trick through the principle of opportunity cost. | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
On September 14 2010 08:49 Batch wrote: Agree. Even if this trick will let you build some early buildings a few seconds earlier this trick alone will not decide the game. I love this discovery since it allows good players to actually do something beneficial to their games instead of the silly worker boxes that many of the players do just to raise their APM...errr...I mean, warm up. This will not, and should not, be a high priority thing to patch for Blizzard even if they eventually will patch it. lols. Even if its beneficial to their game its still a boring repetative micro that has no inpact on the interesting aspects of the game. What Blizzard said they would focus on. This should be patched the fuck away and forgotten as its stupid. | ||
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ohIdentity
United States52 Posts
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CPUDevil
Canada7 Posts
On September 14 2010 06:56 SilverPotato wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFGP8djMFpY Video Link resource_test.SC2Map Hope this helps further the development! SCV always seems to start their rotations going left and the ones that goes faster appears to be those who are going to a CC located on their left side. I would say gathering speed has to do with the axis of their rotation (so the position of the mineral patch against the CC) more than the actual mineral design. | ||
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