On September 03 2010 13:46 qrs wrote: I don't actually mean to bash, even though I guess I am; it's just that I'm, I guess you could say, a connoisseur of light verse, which is a world where the standards are higher for certain things.
This is the most pretentious thing I've ever read on those forums, just leave, seriously.
LOL, did it sound pretentious? I was afraid it might...I'm always bad at gauging these things. still, there has to be a way to ditch the pretentiousness and still say what I mean. OK, let me try again.
it's just that I'm sort of into light verse, and people who write that kind of stuff are really exacting about rhyming and meter and stuff like that, so that kind of spoiled me for rap where the standards for that sort of thing are looser.
any better?
On September 03 2010 13:55 Scatacs wrote: No need to bash something you didn't like in the first place.
You're right, and I wouldn't, if I were the first poster in the thread, but when I see lots of posts that I disagree with, I get this urge to state my countervailing opinion. Probably I still shouldn't.
I did try to mitigate my tone by qualifying, but that only resulted in my sounding pretentious, I guess. I wonder if a smiley would have worked better.
On September 03 2010 13:46 qrs wrote: I don't actually mean to bash, even though I guess I am; it's just that I'm, I guess you could say, a connoisseur of light verse, which is a world where the standards are higher for certain things.
This is the most pretentious thing I've ever read on those forums, just leave, seriously.
I don't even want, None of the above, I want to piss on you. Yes I do, I'll piss on you, I pee on you.
I said yo body, yo body, Is a portapotty, And I pee out kit(?), And I pee on you, Drip, drip, drip, Pee on you, Piss on you, piss on you,
You won't feel quite the same, Once you get a whiff of my Hershey stains, I wanna piss on you, too, I want to pee in yo food, Only thing that make my life complete, Is when I turn yo face into a toliet seat, I want to pee on you, Yes I do, pee on you, I'll piss on you
and lovers gonna love. If you don't want to listen to anything but compliments, how much are they worth anyway?
I know I may be in the minority thinking that, but I practice what I preach. I'd always rather hear an honest insult than an insincere compliment.
I'm pretty sure you misinterpreted his comment--he stated that "haters gonna hate" in response to the person "hating" on you (unless I misinterpreted your comment)
Edit: Yep, I misinterpreted your comment; I didn't realize that you didn't particularly care for his rap :< My advice still stands, however. ^^
I usually try to be evenhanded to the point of apparent indecisiveness, so I think that the person calling your comment "pretentious" was trying to be witty with a curt one-liner, but it just came across as somewhat offensive (I thought his comment was too much as well ><).
As a general rule, I refrain from using polysyllabic words unless doing so is necessary (e.g. essays, debates, when I'm holding serious discussions, etc.). There is usually no reason to make a simple phrase (in your case, an opinion) vague, ambiguous, or (apparently) arrogant when you can just state it as is. :D
Good lord man, I think you're the funniest hater I've ever had either. We must be meant for each other.
A'ight...I feel like I have to step up to the plate here.
Ode to A Man Who Doesn't Appreciate Advice from Connoisseurs of Light Verse
Though I'm far from denying Rob Hustle has flow, it Would frankly be lying to call him a poet Your rapping is snappy. I've said it. You happy? But as for your rhyming? You know where to stow it.
You rappers can't deal with the notion of strictures. 'Close enough' makes you happy. If lyrics were pictures, And poetry art, Then--don't take this to heart-- But you'd be a street painter, daubing caric'tures.
You can call me pretentious. If I'm conscientious, I have to admit, you might even be right. Yes, I may be tendentious, But I'm in the trenches To fight the good fight for good English.
Good lord man, I think you're the funniest hater I've ever had either. We must be meant for each other.
A'ight...I feel like I have to step up to the plate here.
Ode to A Man Who Doesn't Appreciate Advice from Connoisseurs of Light Verse
Though I'm far from denying Rob Hustle has flow, it Would frankly be lying to call him a poet Your rapping is snappy. I've said it. You happy? But as for your rhyming? You know where to stow it.
You rappers can't deal with the notion of strictures. 'Close enough' makes you happy. If lyrics were pictures, And poetry art, Then--don't take this to heart-- But you'd be a street painter, daubing caric'tures.
You can call me pretentious. If I'm conscientious, I have to admit, you might even be right. Yes, I may be tendentious, But I'm in the trenches To fight the good fight for good English.
Good night!
Ok since this has been posted let's look at what you've said since "rappers can't deal with strictures".. Let's see how you handle a critique.
You mentioned earlier that my verse was simple, of course paraphrased, and gave your example for this belief by stating I rhymed Drone up, with Grown Up.. Which is almost hypocritical now that you have posted some of your own work and end your first section with it-it.
You also lack a "rhythm" to your work. There, as far as I can tell, is no "natural" pattern to this poem and it seems you were more concerned with seeming intelligent than actually saying how you felt. Which is often what you see from people who lack the creativity to express a message.
Now how I personally feel about your criticism? Hey, I've done this a long time and I am always glad to hear what people have to say, positive or negative. Though I feel as though your response here was most likely rushed I would like to remind you that the time spent in the creative process loses all meaning once a work is released. An excuse of "well I did this off the top of my head" or "I wasn't really trying" don't matter once put on public display. What you create and publicize becomes what is judged by the viewing public, regardless of whether or not it is your best work.
So please, feel free to comment, I appreciate your feedback. And if you want to actually hear music from me that's a bit more "complex" or "thought-out" be sure to visit my site I've linked below.
Good lord man, I think you're the funniest hater I've ever had either. We must be meant for each other.
A'ight...I feel like I have to step up to the plate here.
Ode to A Man Who Doesn't Appreciate Advice from Connoisseurs of Light Verse
Though I'm far from denying Rob Hustle has flow, it Would frankly be lying to call him a poet Your rapping is snappy. I've said it. You happy? But as for your rhyming? You know where to stow it.
You rappers can't deal with the notion of strictures. 'Close enough' makes you happy. If lyrics were pictures, And poetry art, Then--don't take this to heart-- But you'd be a street painter, daubing caric'tures.
You can call me pretentious. If I'm conscientious, I have to admit, you might even be right. Yes, I may be tendentious, But I'm in the trenches To fight the good fight for good English.
Good night!
Ok since this has been posted let's look at what you've said since "rappers can't deal with strictures".. Let's see how you handle a critique.
You mentioned earlier that my verse was simple, of course paraphrased, and gave your example for this belief by stating I rhymed Drone up, with Grown Up.. Which is almost hypocritical now that you have posted some of your own work and end your first section with it-it.
You also lack a "rhythm" to your work. There, as far as I can tell, is no "natural" pattern to this poem and it seems you were more concerned with seeming intelligent than actually saying how you felt. Which is often what you see from people who lack the creativity to express a message.
Now how I personally feel about your criticism? Hey, I've done this a long time and I am always glad to hear what people have to say, positive or negative. Though I feel as though your response here was most likely rushed I would like to remind you that the time spent in the creative process loses all meaning once a work is released. An excuse of "well I did this off the top of my head" or "I wasn't really trying" don't matter once put on public display. What you create and publicize becomes what is judged by the viewing public, regardless of whether or not it is your best work.
So please, feel free to comment, I appreciate your feedback. And if you want to actually hear music from me that's a bit more "complex" or "thought-out" be sure to visit my site I've linked below.
Just to get a couple things out of the way first: 1) It never bothers me to hear honest criticism. Like you, I'm glad to hear the positive and the negative. 2) If I were giving an excuse for the quality of this--which I'm not--"it was rushed" would be accurate; "I wasn't really trying" would not be. I was doing my best to write something reasonably good reasonably quickly. I'm not saying it was a runaway success. I remember judging as I fell asleep last night "at least it wasn't embarrassingly bad. Barely." So that was my own assessment of it. 3) I don't actually consider myself good at improvising verse. When I said connoisseur I picked the exact word I meant (in terms of meaning--in terms of tone, I was being an idiot there--of course that made me sound like a pompous prig): I appreciate fine verse, I don't produce it, although I've dabbled at it. I would do horribly in one of these "freestyle" rap battles--what I wrote here was rushed, but not off the top of my head. I wasn't planning to write anything of the sort, but once Rob actually went ahead and dedicated a whole video to me (which I was kind of impressed by) I felt like the ball was in my court. Also, if I didn't put something out there for you to judge I was afraid I'd be opening myself to the charge of "them as can't, teaches".
A couple things I said that I think you misunderstood: 1) I mentioned drone up/grown-up as something I liked in your rap--that's the exactly sort of thing that we light-verse-fans appreciate: it's a complex rhyme, it's clever, it rhymes exactly, and it fit smoothly into the context of your words. If all of your rhymes had been that good I would have jumped on the bandwagon of everyone else raving about the lyrics. 2) When I said "rappers can't deal with strictures" I did have the meaning of "criticism" in mind as a secondary way to read the line, but the main meaning I intended was "restrictions", as in restrictions on what counts in the way of rhyme, meter, etc. In rap, a near-rhyme--sometimes not much more than assonance--is considered good enough. I'm not even saying that's a bad thing necessarily: I do recognize that rap is more than just poetry read out loud, and that flow is more important than exactness in that genre. I am saying that light verse tends to have higher standards for the technical aspects of poetry than rap does (or even than "real poetry" does, to be honest). Different worlds, like I said.
For your criticisms: "it seems you were more concerned with seeming intelligent than actually saying how you felt" is a critique that can be aimed at light verse in general, which tends to emphasise style over substance: it's all about flashy rhyme and fancy meter and witty wordplay. If you replace "intelligent" with "clever", I think your words actually make a pretty succinct criticism of the genre.
As for the technical points you brought up, though: I think you were misreading my piece (although as the writer I take half the blame for that). I would never rhyme "it" with "it"--the rhyme was "flow, it" with "poet" and "stow it". Granted, the comma after flow makes it harder to read those words together and compromised the natural rhythm a little.
Speaking of natural rhythm, my piece certainly had one, or was meant to (an anapestic rhythm, if you want to be exact): rhythm and rhyme are the flesh and bone of light verse. To be sure, it's harder to hear rhythmic flaws as a writer, since one knows from the beginning how it's "supposed" to sound, so it's good to hear your input. Maybe I should recite it so you can hear how I meant it to sound, but I don't have any recording equipment set up and I don't even know how good a job I would do at reciting it, so in lieu of that I'll just repost it with the stresses indicated: + Show Spoiler +
Though I'm far from denying Rob Hustle has flow, it Would frankly be lying to call him a poet Your rapping is snappy. I've said it. You happy? But as for your rhyming? You know where to stow it.
You rappers can't deal with the notion of strictures. 'Close enough' makes you happy. If lyrics were pictures, And poetry art, Then--don't take this to heart-- But you'd be a street painter, daubing caric'tures.
You can call me pretentious. If I'm conscientious, I have to admit, you might even be right. Yes, I may be tendentious, But I'm in the trenches To fight the good fight for good English.
Good night!
It's always bothered me that so often one has a choice between giving flattery or giving offense (or saying nothing). I really dislike it when people equate criticism with "hatred". So those rare times when I meet someone who can take criticism without taking it personally, and return it in kind, it makes me happy. Your response and Rob's delighted me.
Maybe I'll listen to some of your other music now. All the best to the both of you.
EPT
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(unless I misinterpreted your comment)
