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It was the players rather than the strategies.
IEM's TvZ games that used MMM v Zerg units were immensly fun to watch and very exciting. MLGs TvZ games had many errors, lack of inspiration in the race's proper ability. Overall, the calibre of player was lower so of course the games are going to be lower quality. I also think a double elimination method of play is boring to watch - there's no drama in the games when they're played.
I'd suggest waiting for HDH 2 and GSL - both of these should be amazing events: both have a superb, awesome calibre of player in them and it's (as far as I know) single elimination. To reiterate the drama - Dimaga's fist pump when he came third at IEM was awesome, more awesome than Day9's casting skill.
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No, sc2 is usually a blast to watch. Mass Reapers are boring though.
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siege tanks, so fun to watch lol
Reapers are atleast agressive and fun play
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i find starcraft 2 very enjoyable to watch, broodwar just hurts my eyes with its horrible graphics.
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On August 31 2010 06:01 AnxietE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 05:50 sadyque wrote:
I really dont get whats with all the "Terran does only mmm" crap.
Well so protoss does only zssi and zerg does only zbm. Wtf is wrong with you people? What the hell are we supposed to build in the first part of the game?? Battlecruisers? We do marine marauders, protoss does zealot stalker and zerg does zergling roach or slight variations. What else is there to do?
We add medivacs - you add immortals
We add ghosts - you add hts
and so on...
What do you want us to do? What do we have to build to make you feel better about the game?
Fast tanks and get owned by -blink stalkers/immortals/chargelots/vrays/zerglings/burrow roaches/mutalisks or what?
Mass reapers to the end of time??
protoss does Zealot stalker sentry coloxon because it counters MMM, same with the zergling baneling muta.
Ye right cuz if terran wouldnt do mmm then toss would go straight for carriers, mothershipS, reavers and infested terrans.....riiight. Protoss does zeal, stalker, war of the worlds crap cuz its a good unit combo against ANYTHING. Also cuz they cant build anything else at that time in the game. Does a toss ever stop building zealot stalker sentry even in one hour long games? NO! OFC not....Neither does terran stop building mmm.
You all expect terrans to invent some crazy strat besides mmm like AugustWerra BC rush vs P(nice games btw) or whoever invented the 5 rax reapers vs Z. Then go whine about imba terrans on forums so blizz can make you look smarter.
Instead of whining about mmm go invent some strategy that wtfpwns mmm so we can go whine on the forums about it.
Edit; just in case anyone was wandering the BC nerf is cuz of how August used them vs P. At least i believe he was the first to use the proxy starport BC strat first. Or he is the only one i saw dunno....:D
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Players won't risk creativity in a tournament. It's all about the win.
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Almost every game I see by check is exciting to watch. He's very aggressive with fantastic unit control.
There are a few of him on youtube, and day9 has a few casted as well.
I think koreans in general, with a more micro heavy approach, are a bit more fun. A lot more players here are really heavy heavy macro and not as much micro.
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Man people LOVE to go on and on and on about the stuff they hate. I personally love to watch sc2. I like watching it just as much as I used to enjoy watching cs demos (NiP v 3D on de_nuke anyone?).
I couldnt disagree more with the op. I watch a ton of streams and replays and try my best to stay up to date on tournies and I dont see the gameplay getting stale at all. I still see people trying new stuff everyday and I dont expect that to change for quite some time.
I fail to see the point of these "this is what I fucking hate about sc2" threads. Most of the time they come across as whine threads started by people who arent as good at the game as they want to be so they need to come up with reasons why the game sucks...which is sad.
If you dont like sc2 go play/watch something else and dont waste your time writing a book about why you dont like it on a site FILLED TO THE BRIM with people who love this game.
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need boxer and ra to come back. I don't find games boring to watch, but I find 1v1 boring to play even as a random player. At high levels of play, Zerg has no room for anything creative imo except maybe early aggression against either P or T. PvT is actually my favorite mu to watch, P can go phoenixes or use void ray in army composition or go robo for a lot of creative play - i do feel mmm is too strong, but it's still good to watch imo. Watch Tester vs Ensnare from gom tourney, really entertaining watching Tester deal with Terran on maps that I feel are Terran advantageous. With that said, I only watch the big tournaments because I appreciate solid play a lot more than shitty, creative play, but I would prefer solid and creative play - that's really rare to see in tournament play though. Pimpest plays was done once a year in brood war and it rarely had big tourney stuff, so I feel it's an unfair evaluation, especially as young as sc2 is, to say it's boring to watch.
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I want to agree, but I will disagree. Strategy games, especially Starcraft go through their phases. BW had it's share of very strong builds, but people figured out how to counter them. Right now MMM is all the rage, but people will figure out how to counter it.
I hope so much that Blizzard doesn't step in and try to "balance" things, so MMM isn't so effective, because I think it's balanced just fine. As a Protoss player, I found storms to be extremely effective... Lots and lots of storms.
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nope, not at all. SC2 is really fun to watch.
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MMM is not that amazing. I mean, sure, its strong, but players of any race who know its coming can wipe it out consistently, especially as the game progresses--tanks will still one-shot stimmed marines and marauders, chargelots and forcefields work wonders until you can get out storm templars or colossi, and banelings just decimate them, esp. with fungal growth.
Sure, right now MMM is a bit easier to execute than its counters. But once people get more experienced stopping it, it won't be nearly as effective.
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Is SC2 boring to talk about?
All anyone wants to talk about is how much they hate terran.
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yeah it is definately boring as of it right now
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SC2 CAN be very boring to watch. Always depends on the players.
In most cases, it's very boring to watch though. It has a lot to do with the unit movement, too! I just hate how all the units cramp into one giant unit ball that rolls back and forth over the map.
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TvX games are completely uninteresting. you just have the terran massing up an insanely powerful army on 2 bases while the z/p frantically tries to survive.
all mirror matchups aren't that interesting, either.
in my opinion zvp is the most interesting matchup to watch.
i feel that once terran gets its fair share of nerfs and gets to the point where they can't go the entire game without scouting and still win and actually have to expand to keep up, then it will be interesting to watch. but as of now i can't watch a TvX without getting bored out of my mind.
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In comparison to SC:BW, it definitely is boring to watch (Beta was really interesting with all the new builds and stuff, but now that everyone has pretty solid build orders....). As a spectator sport overall, SCII is okay.
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lol its not the game thats boring .. its the players ..
what we are seeing in the game is decisions and actions of the gamer/player ..
if the player/gamer amateur, we are going to see shit quality games, where there are poor decision making, less macro, less multi-task, same strat every match up. and thats what we ALL SEE in SC2 .. so many of these amateurs also flood the internet with silly live streams while them using the same strat/BO over and over .. its not fun really
if the player was an foreign pro, meaning they are a top dog in a sponsored team.. it would still suck because he is going to use a single SOLID B.O./strat so that he can win the game.
if the player is korean in a good team in korea, these guys are ex pros or their culture is really conducive for gaming. we MIGHT see some great plays from them. but the problem with these guys is that most of their opponents are like the players above. so you might see a faceroll but some of them might actually put up a good fight!
NOW .. if the players were current pros .. you will see:
- NO balls of units vs ball of units
- aggressive B.O.
- different Openings into mid, and late
- improved meta game
- Godly multitask
- Good decision making
- NO ONLY 1 CONTROL GROUP
- UNITS UPON UNITS UPON UNITS PUMPED
-CLASH EVERWHERE
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Oh come on... TvZ in BW was pretty much as diverse as it is now. TvP was ONLY tank vulture. TvT was also more boring than SC2. In my eyes there's no big difference, but people just like to complain.
It's not that you see new units being used every game, but the (subtle) strategic choices the players make, that makes watching interesting. I noticed how i started enjoying watching brood war matches more and more, the more I understood the game. When I read battlerepors on TL and then watched the game I was amazed by the depth of the game. Beforehand I could just have thought well Terran went MM and Zerg got Lurkers and Defilers, same as every other TvZ.
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