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On August 28 2010 14:32 choboPEon wrote:
Constructive criticism to every commentator: stop with contrived excitement. Don't yell during every game, don't overuse words like 'brilliant' and 'perfect'. The play just doesn't warrant it.
Exaggeration and hyperbole are fun but the best commentators - in sports and otherwise - strive for accuracy with entertainment. There is not brilliance and perfection in every StarCraft 2 game but how often do we hear words like that? There's really, really not cause for yelling and screaming in most SC2 games and yet people keep raising their voices during every single game.
Save the bursts of energy for times when they are truly warranted. It fizzles quickly when you overuse it. Your words become meaningless and your screams become annoying if you go from 0 to 10 in every game.
That said, I enjoyed this for the most part!
Oh god a thousand times this, probably my biggest gripe. Keep it real! or at least only add 1-2 points of excitement
Tasteless does it but I never found it annoying, but I guess he has more reason to as he is watching mega amazing korean players, and SC1 has way more key moments.
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they do a great thing for the community and i have the utmost respect for them because of their love of the community. they may not be pro enough for everyones super high standards but i dont see any of the haters going out there and trying to do better.
i very much appreciate them and what they do, and i know im not alone on that. i wish people could just not nitpick so much about it and try to be happier and more thankful.
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HD and Husky attract the masses and at a MLG event that wasn't geared towards StarCraft, they were a great choice.
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On August 28 2010 14:36 Zurles wrote:
Although I tend to agree, a giant hate thread is probably taking it a bit too far.
While some of the people are just hating, I think constructive criticism can do wonders. There's an infinitesimal chance of it but hey, if they read this thread and improve their casting from it - and think they would if they took the time - it would be a win win.
That said, they probably won't read it.
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On August 28 2010 14:39 Keldrath wrote:
they do a great thing for the community and i have the utmost respect for them because of their love of the community. they may not be pro enough for everyones super high standards but i dont see any of the haters going out there and trying to do better.
i very much appreciate them and what they do, and i know im not alone on that. i wish people could just not nitpick so much about it and try to be happier and more thankful.
except there are tons of casters doing a better job. they just aren't youtube partners cause they don't strive for super high watcher counts like HD and Husky
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On August 28 2010 14:11 comis wrote:
Meh the only one who really gets to me is JP. He doesn't really know anything about the game and thinks that just saying what the players are doing counts as casting. The best part was in Select vs some no-name game round 1 he actually was casting *select sitting at his pc*!
"And now he's sitting, I think, yes he is actually sitting at his computer; we can see him from here. He's asking for a moderator. A moderator is now in fact moving into his direction, which is quite interesting."
If you were paying attention, you would realize it was because select had asked for a pause, and in that moment of confusion where the viewers were wondering why the game was not paused, JP was informing the viewers that a moderator is approaching select to address the issue.
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Honestly It's true
The casting in MLG and other events has been bad/worse than it should be. Another example would be having Adam Sesslar or w.e. at Evo, he casted the SSF4 finals and was completely wrong most of the time. They put in casters that are not good due to their popularity/established position. This I guess is "good" for growing it, but don't expect anyone to be thankful we get sub par casting at events that can fly in any caster in the country.
Casting is huge for getting people to actually keep watching/grow, I know tasteless, an amazing caster, get people who might be on the fence about even watching / playing the game and a lot just watch it for the commentary.
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I respect HD and Husky's right to make commentaries and upload them to YouTube. In fact, I encourage them to continue because it helps bring new blood to the community, which is always good. Truth be told, I used to be a fan of HD and I was one of the first people to subscribe to his channel back when he was doing War3 commentaries in preparation for SC2 beta.
Unfortunately, it became painfully obvious over time that he has sub-par skills and sub-par commentary. I'm not trying to rag on the guy, honestly. He just happened to be in the right place at the time with a top-of-the-line computer, presumably high bandwidth, and a pretty decent voice for casting.
However, in my opinion, it was a mistake to invite him to cast a high profile event. Simply being an opportunist doesn't make you qualified for such a position. It reflects poorly on the high level competitive nature of the game when you have gold-level players watching a game and noticing things that the caster doesn't. For those of you familiar with the HoN scene, Breakycpk is another prime example of this.
To reiterate, I do like HD and Husky and respect their drive. I don't blame them for taking full advantage of their situation; they'd be idiots not to. I blame MLG for not properly assessing their abilities.
Please, MLG, leave HD and Husky out of any future events and let Day9 and JP take over full-time duties. HD and Husky have their own tournament coming up soon to occupy them anyway.
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Now that we get to see the two teams casting side by side I have also found a striking difference between the two. While HD and Huskey are casting they miss SO MUCH, compared to when Day9 and JP are casting. For example during the long socke vs drewbie game. They didnt even know he was building a mothership! Like how can you miss that. It just popped out of nowhere and suprised everyone. I even see stuff on the screen that even I think is important that they don't see or overlook.
Day9 is such a character and is also more insightful than both HD and Huskey. He is more entertaining and fun to watch. While Day9 and JP were talking before the games started I was literally laughing my ass off because they were so funny. Basically, I cannot see HD and Huskey filling in time between games without it being dull and boring, considering their personalities.
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For day 1 here's my thoughts:
HD had to tell Husky at least 5 times for Husky to use 'suggest' to get one of the players invited to the match because the player wasn't on JP's friend list (HD was using JP's account). Husky was looking at his computer screen dumbfounded for a good 2-3 minutes while HD kept telling him. WTF Husky??? This was the worst part of the cast because there was a lot of silence and no talk about the game at all.
After all the technical BS was sorted out HD and Husky were alright for the rest of the day.
Day9 said some long jokes in the middle of some games while there were things that he or JP could have talked about. While I do love his jokes, I don't think it's very professional for a caster to spend 20-30 seconds saying a joke in the middle of a match and it's BM towards the other caster.
JP has much better chemistry with Day9 than d.apollo did but Day9 seems like he doesn't give his co-casters a chance to talk unless he's out of ideas. Another way to put it is Day9 is a really aggressive speaker. There was once when they both started to say "Welcome back..." after a commercial break and then JP shut up and Day9 didn't give him a chance to talk for at least a minute. I love Day9's commentary but it doesn't seem like he really gives his co-casters a chance to be equal.
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Man you SC2 guys got it good. Im new to starcraft and i think all 4 of them are fantastic commentators. I was pro in gears of war 1 & 2 for 3 years in MLG and let me tell you our commentators were horrendous....Like no joke bad we had commentators getting fired cause being drunk while doing games and flirting with girls while on air.... Im not kidding you could look up some GoW VODs if you wanna see bad commentating...
In short, be grateful for the guys that you have cause they shit on so many other video game commentators.
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I think some of you are way too critical and expect everything to be pandered to the type of person that you are.
I like day the most by far but the others are fine most of the time. All I care about is that they actually show me what is happening in the game.
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On August 28 2010 13:25 sAfuRos wrote:
Going to sleep soon so i'll be rather blunt
HD is awful. He has a good quality stream but with MLG that is null. He doesn't know what is going on, can't predict the games, can't predict strategy, doesn't understand matchups very much, and misses everything that is important
Husky is better, but lets HD spout his nonsense and it makes him seem worse. Husky also misses important things that are going on, but knows more.
But yes, HD is just....oh god. At least he doesn't talk about "chrono boosting his probes for the economy" as if its revolutionary anymore. Like, really, chrono boosting probes for economy? I thought it was for a fucking probe rush, chrono is such a proskill and you never see it
/agree
(On a side note, I wish there were a way to show support for someone's comment without adding a useless post.)
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On August 28 2010 14:15 Adsee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 14:04 Darkside- wrote:On August 28 2010 14:00 MercurialGaming wrote:
Guys instead of calling them out and saying they're bad commentators how about you go commentate some crap and we'll see how much you get ridiculed. It's not nice is it? If you have nothing nice to say; don't say anything at all. It's a feedback thread on the casting, not a compliments thread. If we don't tell them what they did wrong in addition to what we liked, how are they every going to improve? I agree with this, but still, the amount of crap these two guys get for casting is ridiculous, and the fact that most of it is just nonconstructive insults (like the comment below you) is really unfair to them. While Day9 is definitely a better caster than either HD or Husky, the fact is he has a lot more experience then them in the SC community. Both of them work hard at what they do, and, as time goes by, they will get better.
Summed up what I was trying to say.
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I giggled when HDH said that auto turrets can't shoot up, but while I'm not exactly a fan, I wouldn't call myself an anti fan either.
I still love seans casting, its always so enthusiastic, and since his 100th episode I feel that he connects with viewer more than just on a commentator to viewer aspect/
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On August 28 2010 14:52 phuzi0n wrote:
JP has much better chemistry with Day9 than d.apollo did but Day9 seems like he doesn't give his co-casters a chance to talk unless he's out of ideas. Another way to put it is Day9 is a really aggressive speaker. There was once when they both started to say "Welcome back..." after a commercial break and then JP shut up and Day9 didn't give him a chance to talk for at least a minute. I love Day9's commentary but it doesn't seem like he really gives his co-casters a chance to be equal.
I think thats why JP and Day9 work so well together. JP doesn't seem to mind taking a backseat, and is able to give direction to Day9 either by pointing out things that Day9 didn't notice due to being in the middle of explaining something else, or simply by starting discussions with Day9. JP can provide the play-by-play while Day9 jumps in to highlight whenever something crucial or important is happening. This is why HDH struggle, because both of them are trying to do both a play-by-play and an analysis at the same time which is one of the reasons they miss so many seemingly obvious things. With Day9 and D'Apollo, both of them were very vocal and both wanted to give their analyses which is why there were so many awkward clashes. (i.e. DApollo: A great move to get X unit. Day9: I agree. I think getting X unit was a big mistake. DApollo: Yeah, I agree.) You can make any caster look fantastic if you pair them with the right person.
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HD and Husky seemed nervous and untrained about being in front of a camera. But I enjoyed their coverage.
HD calling units by the wrong name and some of the analysis mistakes were probably due to nerves, but their enthusiasm made up for it. Overall I enjoyed their segments more that Day 9',s although probably because they drew the better games.
With a little practice and training I think they will be professional enough. And too much polish makes you like Bob Costas...I'd rather hear a John Madden.
So cut them some slack, they just need some experience.
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Husky and HD do make a lot of mistakes, however, I love them because they are so energetic and you can tell they have a lot of fun. Plus, the stupid stupid jokes they make are fucking random and awesome. =]
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The spoiled Starcraft community..
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idk why people have to be so critical, just chill out and enjoy the event. All 4 casters did a good job and it was fun to watch with exciting matches (actual gameplay being far more important than casting) Its pretty obv Day9 is more entertaining due to his more relaxed and less predictable statements, but Husky and HD did a good job overall too.
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