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On August 28 2010 13:40 Rah wrote:
MLG took HD and Husky for their fanbase. I followed pro broodwar for a year or two before SC2 came out and I was a fan of some of the commentators of the violetak account like Diggity, Rise, Cholera (that's it) who were a lot easier to listen to I think than HD and Husky. HD and Husky are relatively new but when they came on the scene they just poured out tons and tons of commentaries, and around this same time is when there was a drought and also a higher demand. The commentators I mentioned above lost the wind on their sails or something. I remember they asked for donations to keep commentating, and then their commentating stopped, and at the worst timing probably because that's where interest in commentated games rocketted up and HD and Husky became so popular. It's too bad they stopped right at that timing and haven't been as big on SC2, we could have been listening to better quality commentators.
I know diggity has done stuff since and rise has been around, but their drought was at bad timing like I said, it's too bad. At least day9 has improved a lot as a commentator. That chill vs combat ex grudge match commentary he did was a little too angsty for me lol.
I miss Diggity. They never really asked for donations too much as far as I knew. They really seemed like they weren't those kind of people. I know moletrap asked for donations just for the new computer. Of course I knew he was still in College, with a full time job and not a lot of money to spare. That was just a hobby for them. Take HD and Husky now. They pump out like 2 games a day. That's ridiculous. Some of them aren't even very high level. They have google partnership. They're doing that for the money. That's not a problem or anything, just like you said. They were the only ones at the time with SC commentary. So they just became huge. HD isn't necessarily the best caster, nor is Husky. NukeTheStars, Moletrap, Diggity, and Ranshin, are all much better commentators if you ask me. They know the game. They've been doing it for years. Let's not forget Cholera, Rise, DejaVu, and more I can't even name.
Back to SC2 commentators. Day9 was the only real entertaining caster, the rest were really just.. meh? HD was like quiet that whole time. Husky was yelling a lot. JP seemed to take the backseat to Day9. I haven't heard any of his commentaries though. HDH picked it up at the end though. Except they were just trading off and not really talking to each other like Day9 and JP. All together I really liked day9 more.
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On August 28 2010 13:31 Champi wrote:
i think husky is doing just fine but i honestly think HD needs to pick up his game a little bit and stop using his analogies (he once recently referred to a ZvP as the cold war i think), and large vocabularies that sometimes dont make sense in context, and stop repeating himself. (eg. and the red zerg spawning here under the player name dimaga, gonna spawning here, as the red zerg.) - that sounds a bit exagerated but he really does often do that lol. I think I remember him saying "This possibly might be a bad time for ____ maybe." >_> Husky does relatively well, even if he's obviously inexperienced at controlling the camera during a live match. HD though just don't know the game very well and can't speak well either. I'm sure they'll improve with time, but I don't think they should be casting MLG at this time.
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On August 28 2010 13:52 Kraz.Del wrote:
I strongly disagree with the OP. While Husky and HD do miss a few things, they are MUCH more entertaining than day[9] and JP. D9/JP are also great for their accurate analysis of the game. Imo, all of these Day [9] fanboys QQing about him not being all the time is just rude. I don't know who is QQing about Day9 not being all the time. :\
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I appreciate what HDH do but ofc their commentary isn't top level.
When he said Desert Oasis was a protoss map I almost spit out my food.
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On August 28 2010 13:56 slam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 13:52 Kraz.Del wrote:
I strongly disagree with the OP. While Husky and HD do miss a few things, they are MUCH more entertaining than day[9] and JP. D9/JP are also great for their accurate analysis of the game. Imo, all of these Day [9] fanboys QQing about him not being all the time is just rude. I don't know who is QQing about Day9 not being all the time. :\
I'm not going to make you read the MLG thread but everyone there QQed the second he wasn't talking and they didn't show his face.
Seriously this caster fanboy wars is just as pathetic as watching console fanboy wars on N4G.
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On August 28 2010 13:53 Thegilaboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 13:40 Rah wrote:
At least day9 has improved a lot as a commentator. That chill vs combat ex grudge match commentary he did was a little too angsty for me lol.
You know that whole match and cast was a big joke for Day and Chill right? As in Day9 has said many times that he went totally over the top for that show just because the whole thing was supposed to be a spectacle
Even with that, it takes a special mind to come up with some of the random shit he was spouting in that match lol. I'm glad he didn't stick with that over the top commentary style. Though I can understand if he ever brings it back for a special event like a chill vs combat ex rematch in SC2. Nostalgia and all. =p
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Bear in mind, casting a live event is extremely difficult. If you notice, there are often technical delays when they switch to interviews, technical delays when getting into games as well as other issues that only happen during live casts. While HD might not have the game mechanics knowledge that Day9 has, I think he still does an alright job, much better than the average viewer could do.
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Day[9] and JP are eons beyond HDH. They're so much better that I have to mute the MLG stream when HDH is casting.
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Husky and HD are good play by play guys, but they just can't do game analysis. Thats not a knock to them. Doing game analysis is best left to high level players who have played for years and years. I honestly think they should not even try to analyze things to deeply and just talk about whats going on in the game in very general ways. I think maybe they should even break up as a duo and look to pair with players to be there color men to their play by play.
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Guys instead of calling them out and saying they're bad commentators how about you go commentate some crap and we'll see how much you get ridiculed. It's not nice is it? If you have nothing nice to say; don't say anything at all.
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On August 28 2010 13:57 GenoZStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 13:56 slam wrote:On August 28 2010 13:52 Kraz.Del wrote:
I strongly disagree with the OP. While Husky and HD do miss a few things, they are MUCH more entertaining than day[9] and JP. D9/JP are also great for their accurate analysis of the game. Imo, all of these Day [9] fanboys QQing about him not being all the time is just rude. I don't know who is QQing about Day9 not being all the time. :\ I'm not going to make you read the MLG thread but everyone there QQed the second he wasn't talking and they didn't show his face. Seriously this caster fanboy wars is just as pathetic as watching console fanboy wars on N4G. Ah, I was not aware of that and figured that statement was directed at me. lol
My bad.
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HD and Husky seem to get too fixated on following one group of units around. They'll pick a group and then follow it around until it either engages or retreats back to base, then pick another group and follow it. While they do this, they miss any number of engagements that happen simultaneously, completely ignore upgrades, and often miss unit production switches all together. In addition to that, their in-battle and post-battle analysis is subpar, crediting the wrong units and hyping up the wrong things pre-battle. Their prediction skills are poor but they still insist on trying to predict what will happen at the end of battles, rather than saying what happens during battles. The thing I hear most often during high pitched battles is "I have no idea what just happened," when their job is to tell me what happened. I understand why MLG picked them up for this tourney and don't fault the organization for that, but hopefully they can find another duo for next event.
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On August 28 2010 13:58 Supa19 wrote:
Bear in mind, casting a live event is extremely difficult. If you notice, there are often technical delays when they switch to interviews, technical delays when getting into games as well as other issues that only happen during live casts. While HD might not have the game mechanics knowledge that Day9 has, I think he still does an alright job, much better than the average viewer could do.
Sure they do better than an average viewer, but that's not really a *good* thing. They're casting for the first major event of the MLG SC2 season, they should be amazing and right now they're just annoying.
It's been fairly obvious for a while now that they were brought on to the event for publicity and their absurdly large viewer-ship and not for their skills.
Now that being said, I think HD and Husky are an integral part of the e-sports community. They attract an enormous amount of very casual viewers that would not otherwise be drawn to the gaming scene. This can only be a good thing and I respect them a lot for what they've been able to accomplish. That doesn't mean they should be casting major events; they just don't have that skillset.
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On August 28 2010 14:00 MercurialGaming wrote:
Guys instead of calling them out and saying they're bad commentators how about you go commentate some crap and we'll see how much you get ridiculed. It's not nice is it? If you have nothing nice to say; don't say anything at all.
It's a feedback thread on the casting, not a compliments thread. If we don't tell them what they did wrong in addition to what we liked, how are they every going to improve?
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the good news is because of the setup it was almost impossible to hear HD at the event itself
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HDH aren't the best, and look worse compared with day9 and JP, but I genuinely enjoyed all of the casts today from both teams. All casters miss stuff, and I'm pretty sure JP and Day9 completely missed a nuke in the first Silver game they casted.
Hell, can you really say that not knowing about that Mothership until right as it popped out to fight away the enemy wasn't exciting? It was entertaining, and that's at least 2/3 the reason I watch these tournament casts.
Edit: One thing I will say is that I think Husky needs to calm down. He talks nonstop and extremely fast, you really don't have to say that much.
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I'd give the HDH crew some slack.
This is the first time they've done a live venue, and it just happens to be one of the biggest North American Starcraft 2 Tournaments to date. By the end of the event, I'll bet that they'll find their comfort zone and transform into the commentators we know and love. No one is immune to nerves, even Day[9] (see Starcraft 2 Countdown Party).
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Well at the end of the day you guys are nothing more but the loud minority. There is a reason these guys have a large fanbase because people enjoy their cast just as much as you guys do day9. And MLG certainly isn't going to exclude them from future event because a couple of members of TL.net think their not hardcore enough for their taste. They are nooby friendly which is what MLG wants from them and they do a good job at it. You guys simply pick the mistake they make a big deal out of it, like when HD said Viking instead of Banshee or Husky said "Looks like we've been seeing Phoenix+Chargelots" after already having seen the tech.
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HD and Husky are awesome. They bring so much more excitement to the matches. Day9 is fantastic with analysis, but he isn't nearly as entertaining. If I want to learn the game I watch Day9, if I want to sit back and watch Starcraft, I watch HDH.
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Meh the only one who really gets to me is JP. He doesn't really know anything about the game and thinks that just saying what the players are doing counts as casting. The best part was in Select vs some no-name game round 1 he actually was casting *select sitting at his pc*!
"And now he's sitting, I think, yes he is actually sitting at his computer; we can see him from here. He's asking for a moderator. A moderator is now in fact moving into his direction, which is quite interesting."
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