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Defeat
United States476 Posts
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okaygo
United States83 Posts
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
Agreed, must see. WoW is already a pretty tough game to spectate, so I can't imagine how horrible Fragdolls did. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On August 29 2010 13:12 okaygo wrote: Can't we just agree that Day[9] was the most professional caster there. HD, Day[9], and JP are amateurs compared to him. However, they all did fantastic. And yes, some of them need to work on game sense, I'm sure they will read this thread and be like, oh shi-. Good job on the casting. Keep up the hard work. It's not the number one priority of a caster to provide strategical analysis. Casters number one priority is to entertain. That's why it's so easy for someone to tune in to a quake or quake related broadcast(a lot of quake casters cast WOW games for example) and enjoy the game with no prior knowledge simply because the commentators are accessible and entertaining. Like 2GD for example when he started casting WoW he did not know much about the game but it was he who made the games entertaining and not his more experienced co-caster. You guys are just too deprived of real quality casts and are too close minded to accept anyone into your elitist society who didnt get an A on PGT. | ||
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Darkside-
United States52 Posts
On August 29 2010 13:20 Sfydjklm wrote:It's not the number one priority of a caster to provide strategical analysis. Casters number one priority is to entertain. That's why it's so easy for someone to tune in to a quake or quake related broadcast(a lot of quake casters cast WOW games for example) and enjoy the game with no prior knowledge simply because the commentators are accessible and entertaining. Like 2GD for example when he started casting WoW he did not know much about the game but it was he who made the games entertaining and not his more experienced co-caster. You guys are just too deprived of real quality casts and are too close minded to accept anyone into your elitist society who didnt get an A on PGT. Wrong, the number one priority of a caster at a live event is to inform the viewer of the state of the game. You don't necessarily need to be able to commentate on the effectiveness of anyone's strategy, but if you can't tell the viewers what is taking place and what is likely going to take place, you're not doing your job right, plain and simple as that. Edit: If all we're asking them to do is be entertaining, the best solution would be to get Chill and iNcontroL liquored up and have them cast everything. | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On August 29 2010 13:20 Sfydjklm wrote: It's not the number one priority of a caster to provide strategical analysis. Casters number one priority is to entertain. That's why it's so easy for someone to tune in to a quake or quake related broadcast(a lot of quake casters cast WOW games for example) and enjoy the game with no prior knowledge simply because the commentators are accessible and entertaining. Like 2GD for example when he started casting WoW he did not know much about the game but it was he who made the games entertaining and not his more experienced co-caster. You guys are just too deprived of real quality casts and are too close minded to accept anyone into your elitist society who didnt get an A on PGT. I completely agree. Yet when I don't really get entertained by a caster, it only becomes worse when he is making wrong calls all the time or is making the trivial sound important. I found Cholera extremely entertaining although his analysis was never very deep. Nonetheless, he was an extremely engaging commentator and that's what I liked about him. Every viewer has different tastes, but I think we can all agree that having better knowledge and analysis skills can only be an advantage. | ||
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Audigy
United States200 Posts
On August 29 2010 13:20 Sfydjklm wrote: It's not the number one priority of a caster to provide strategical analysis. Casters number one priority is to entertain. That's why it's so easy for someone to tune in to a quake or quake related broadcast(a lot of quake casters cast WOW games for example) and enjoy the game with no prior knowledge simply because the commentators are accessible and entertaining. Like 2GD for example when he started casting WoW he did not know much about the game but it was he who made the games entertaining and not his more experienced co-caster. You guys are just too deprived of real quality casts and are too close minded to accept anyone into your elitist society who didnt get an A on PGT. that's the problem, husky's mono toned screaming voice of melted together words is in no way shape or form entertaining. and 2gd played wow in tournaments before he started casting. | ||
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Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
With that said, tournaments want people who are entertaining. Although the serious players will be watching, they will still cater to those who will keep up with the entertainment value and not so much knowledge. That's why HD and Husky are so poplar, they are entertaining and come off as knowing a lot. People like that and are drawn to it. We can only hope one (or possibly two) of these may happen; HD and Husky become more knowledgeable then they are now, Day9 becomes the top commentator in terms of tournaments, or up-and-coming commentators will arrive and possibly take over. They are not going anywhere, and I hope they become much more knowledgeable, but I will still be supporting Day9 over other commentators. | ||
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Doughboy
United States721 Posts
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TheFinalWord
Australia790 Posts
On August 29 2010 13:02 Butigroove wrote: I agree, I also noticed how Husky never talked too long or over Day9 although sometimes he did over HD, Day9 actually talked over Husky a few times. IMO I think HD did a better job today when he was casting with Day, imho. 1) Day9 and Husky 3) JP and HD. All castors did quite well though. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 29 2010 13:17 ktimekiller wrote: Agreed, must see. WoW is already a pretty tough game to spectate, so I can't imagine how horrible Fragdolls did. It was at Blizzcon 2007 and CGS ran the tourney, and I think it was broadcast on DirecTV. Since CGS is dead, I can't find any videos for it. :/ This is the closest evidence I can find: http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/wwwymcom/Fragdolls-aka-Tits-Skill Some excellent posts from that thread: justHEH Aug 5, 2007 at 7:02 pm +1 votes I'm married and I still think they're ugly. | ||
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optik678
United States13 Posts
You should be more harsh about MLGs handling of the SC2 crowd. I don't know if they purposely did this, but the SC2 stuff was all jammed into a corner with TWO 6 person benches and ONE screen showing the game. That's it. Most people had to sit on the floor. I feel their should have been better accommodations for the spectators. Rows of chairs and/or a second screen would have been nice. Perhaps they will learn from this and set up the next SC2 tournament better? Hope so. I like the event though, overall. Thanks all for showing up! | ||
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Mentor
Germany219 Posts
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Nu11
Canada167 Posts
Husky was mumbling around, spouting nonsense, not really talking about anything at all or anything valid for most of the casts, however he did have his charm and I do feel he has a very clear and good casting voice. Some more experience and I feel he'd be good. Nothing to say about day9 and JP, they're both fantastic. Overall good show and thanks to all four of them for casting the games for us! | ||
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tyrless
United States485 Posts
And a real fatal flaw of Day9's is his inability to work in tandem with another caster, he'll just ramble over co-casters and it's terribly awkward. | ||
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AmaZing
Nepal299 Posts
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
I really like HD he tries to make things more professionally where as Husky seems more like the whatever guy and his style is very sloppy and doesn't therefore show much effort even if there is. I really liked the day9 and HD pair up for example. I think Husky should try to do things more professionally in the future. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On August 29 2010 13:17 ktimekiller wrote: Agreed, must see. WoW is already a pretty tough game to spectate, so I can't imagine how horrible Fragdolls did. An arena match is totally unwatchable as a eSport, simply because it is too fast and you cant see what is happening. In an arena in ancient rome you could actually see the movement of the Gladiators and / or the Lions, but for WoW that isnt possible with all the instacasts. You are practically only watching the health bars [the numbers from scrolling combat are only for the current character] and maybe the general positioning, but that in total is extremely boring. The total contrast to this is the feeling of the actual players, for them it is pure adrenaline, but you cant describe what happens in an arena fight simply because it is too fast. One PvP addict and his constant self-glorification in guildchat was the reason why I had to put him - a guildmate - on my ignore list. The whole concept of PvP competitions in an MMO is bad IMO. | ||
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Reuental
United States457 Posts
On August 29 2010 16:27 tyrless wrote: HD and Husky are faaarrrrr better commentators for the casual spectator, and thats what matters most in supporting SC2's rise in esports. Day9 is good but he makes just as many "mistakes" as HDH, and I put that in quotes because only the most asinine of SC2 dorks think it's relevant whether a caster can always predict the tech path of a player. And a real fatal flaw of Day9's is his inability to work in tandem with another caster, he'll just ramble over co-casters and it's terribly awkward. I have to disagree. Everybody on 4chan and Mlgpro loved Day9 more than any of the other casters. Day9 is hilarious and also a amazing commentator. People were literally not watching the games when he was not casting. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
Day[9] > Husky > HD/JP I believe that Day[9] is the most knowledgeable in subtle ways, like mentioning that +1 ground weapons for Protoss makes them 2-hit Zerglings instead of 3. Day[9] also usually has the best predictions for what builds people are going for and tends to miss *LESS* action than the other casters. I personally like Husky quite a lot. He is very entertaining and I think his commentary has come a long way since the HDH. He is fairly knowledgeable about builds. He does miss some action sometimes, but it is in improvement over the past, for the most part. I think HD has improved a lot less so than Husky. I feel his knowledge of the game needs some work, especially about some of the builds and timing windows players can use. Some of his map analysis too can be pretty bad at times. You need to play more than once a week, HD! JP, I feel really suffers when he is with Day[9]. He is really outshadowed by Day[9] because Day[9] is just so much more enthusiastic about the game. Honestly, I don't think it is that much of a bad thing since what people obviously want is more Day[9]. I would really, really like to see more of the cross pairings in the future, I think it can only do good things for JP. Edit: I mean JP is really just playing support most of the time. If Day[9] is watching the Terran base for the audience talking about the double marauders, marine, reaper push, then JP will watch the Protoss base and just inform about any tech buildings going down and add something like "we might see immortals". | ||
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