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"Random" 2v2--how does this work?

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DarkSeerTurbo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States105 Posts
August 26 2010 06:55 GMT
#1
Hey guys so out of nowhere I decide to play random 2v2 league matches. My last 3 random 2v2 games were losses. After the game was over I checked out the players profiles and turns out the 2 players knew each other, which was disappointing since, I thought this was supposed to be RANDOM. How are people getting away with this and what can I do to avoid arranged teams?

Thanks for reading.
theonlyrio
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom200 Posts
August 26 2010 06:56 GMT
#2
blizzzard was silly enough to allow stuff like this to happen and you cant really do anything to stop it sorry =/.

I am the only rio
leve15
Profile Joined August 2010
United States301 Posts
August 26 2010 06:57 GMT
#3
I play mostly random 2v2s, and running into arranged teams is unfortunately quite common. (I've met a few just running into them from my BW days since we kept the same or similar names)

I heard they were going to fix this...
Vz0
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada378 Posts
August 26 2010 06:59 GMT
#4
er why does this matter?
it still 2v2....
Zevah
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Argentina187 Posts
August 26 2010 07:06 GMT
#5
On August 26 2010 15:59 Vz0 wrote:
er why does this matter?
it still 2v2....


What he said!.

Premades have an advantage, they can speak with each-other and bla bla bla.. .but it's not like they start with 10 workers while you start with 6.... and you should be able to communicate with your partner too...

The problem for me is when i get a bronze player or someone who is trying new races or builds as a team-mate and they don't care if they win or lose while i'm really trying to win xD


but there is nothing you can do to prevent this besides getting a premade team yourself.
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
August 26 2010 07:13 GMT
#6
Seriously how can you say it's not an advantage for the AT team? The fact that they talk to each other is an advantage! Sometimes my RT team mate won't even talk to me, so we cannot even coordinate attacks.

LITERALLY 90 percent of my 2v2 RT matchups are versus an AT team.
peterius
Profile Joined May 2010
33 Posts
August 27 2010 08:28 GMT
#7
Not just this. You can also find sometimes that you'll get a 2v2 random game and there's like a diamond and a bronze and two people unranked doing their placement matches. Its like they put no thought at all into their "unrivaled AutoMatch technology". << from the box.
dagene
Profile Joined June 2010
United States75 Posts
August 27 2010 08:37 GMT
#8
sometimes those are the only players available..
Cytokinesis
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada330 Posts
August 27 2010 08:37 GMT
#9
The game has built in voice-chat and it works very well for RT's. Just press tilde and use your mic as if you were on vent or skype or whatever.
Ive seen people who dont believe in sleep count sheep with calculators that double as alarm clocks
10or10
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden517 Posts
August 27 2010 08:39 GMT
#10
On August 27 2010 17:28 peterius wrote:
Not just this. You can also find sometimes that you'll get a 2v2 random game and there's like a diamond and a bronze and two people unranked doing their placement matches. Its like they put no thought at all into their "unrivaled AutoMatch technology". << from the box.

Their AutoMatch technology is probably best suited for 1v1.

I had always assumed they used separate ladders for random and arranged teams (until we met a random team a couple of days ago) since my arranged team gets placed as a team, but how does that work for you random players? The random players must have individual ladder placements, right?
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Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
August 27 2010 10:14 GMT
#11
If system says teams are even and your team is RT and their is AT, teams are still even all thing considered. At least thats what I think.
BroodWar forever
Error Ash
Profile Joined July 2008
Germany177 Posts
August 27 2010 10:34 GMT
#12
This may sound cocky... but just don't play alone? I really don't unterstand why people play team games, don't communicate with their team members but rather play for themselves and then they complain when they lose (this is not necessarily directed at OP, have seen this sooooo many times also in other games)... Just grab some friends... It's much more fun anyways.
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
August 27 2010 11:34 GMT
#13
On August 27 2010 19:34 Error Ash wrote:
This may sound cocky... but just don't play alone? I really don't unterstand why people play team games, don't communicate with their team members but rather play for themselves and then they complain when they lose (this is not necessarily directed at OP, have seen this sooooo many times also in other games)... Just grab some friends... It's much more fun anyways.



Because friends arent always online, or you dont have any friends that play sc2, but you'd still like to try 2v2?

Wouldnt mind if i played against other people who also got paired randomly. AT teams usually just rush with 40 t1 units and you cant really do anything against that.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
Dakota_Fanning *
Profile Joined January 2008
Hungary2347 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 11:45:55
August 27 2010 11:45 GMT
#14
AT has an advantage over RT, yes, but they are scored in different leagues or divisions.

Just think of it this way: even if they win, they don't win points over an RT, because they are in a different league/division.

All RT team players are in the same shoes, and all AT team players are in the same shoes.

What matters is that you're not the only RT player who plays occasionally versus AT but all RT players. And your points are compared to the points of other RT players. The AT team might have an advantage and might win more games, but they are also compared to only other AT teams and not to RT teams.
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Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
August 27 2010 11:47 GMT
#15
Yeh i got to diamond and now every team I face is AT teams, gone from like 26-13 to 28-20 so quickly lol, have been playing as other races thoughtoo which hasnt helped!! May quite RT for a while and focus on Solo!! Or try make friends to play AT with!!!!!!
Live and Let Die!
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42450 Posts
August 27 2010 11:50 GMT
#16
If they're equally skilled then a premade team will obviously have an advantage over two random guys. But this is a ladder with matchmaking, your opponent will not be selected by a magical assessment of objective skill but rather on the basis of his results. Why does it matter if you're matched against two scrubs on skype or two better players with worse teamwork if according to the AMM you're equally likely to beat either.
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DarkSeerTurbo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States105 Posts
August 27 2010 11:59 GMT
#17
On August 27 2010 19:34 Error Ash wrote:
This may sound cocky... but just don't play alone? I really don't unterstand why people play team games, don't communicate with their team members but rather play for themselves and then they complain when they lose (this is not necessarily directed at OP, have seen this sooooo many times also in other games)... Just grab some friends... It's much more fun anyways.


I do play team games with friends in real life. Your point, however, is a bit meaningless (no offense) as there are plenty of reasons why you cannot play with your real friends all the time. Just on top of my head... (can't believe I would even have to mention this as they're common sense)

1. Your friends are not online and you do not feel like playing 1v1
2. Your friends are not at your level and you lose against players you know you can beat
3. You want to play with other people and play as advertised: Random

etc.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
August 27 2010 12:06 GMT
#18
It doesn't really matter.
1) As long as your AMM rating is equall you have an even fight.
2) Arranged teams have an edge if it comes to rating because they can improve not only in mechanics, macro, micro but in cooperation as well. But they are not in the ladder for random 2v2's, they have their separate ladder.

That said I usually feal like me and my partner are usually better at mechanics than our fixed opponents, but they have usually better coordinated early strategies. Once the game passes 10 minutes mark without damage being done we usually have an advantage.
Doomgaze
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden89 Posts
August 27 2010 12:17 GMT
#19
Uh being able to go into 2v2 with a good race combination as opposed to playing with a random combination, how is it not an advantage?

That's just on top of having evolved team play, communiation and strategy.

Random and AT needs to be separated, now.
Lucius2
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany548 Posts
August 27 2010 12:18 GMT
#20
95% of all my 2v2,3v3 and 4v4 games are vs random, impossible to win 3v3 and 4v4 basically
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