EPTThat said, your point is solid, Saracen. The game is in its infancy and very few players have developed the understanding necessary to criticize the game's best. The worth of all-in strategies is inflated and will win more games now than any other time because timings and capabilities are not yet well established. All opinions must be taken with a grain of salt at this time.
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
That said, your point is solid, Saracen. The game is in its infancy and very few players have developed the understanding necessary to criticize the game's best. The worth of all-in strategies is inflated and will win more games now than any other time because timings and capabilities are not yet well established. All opinions must be taken with a grain of salt at this time. | ||
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oskuboi
Finland72 Posts
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Ma(S)oN
United Kingdom1 Post
Also, just because a player is a pro, doesn't mean they fully understand the game/strategy and it doesn't mean they are posting correct information. never a truer word spoken. I agree that because the game mechanics are so much easier it gives those players who maybe couldn't reach B level or higher in BW (because of the much higher apm and multitasking requirements) more freedom to think through their gameplay and make better decisions with regards to strategy. I player could have the best strategiccal mind in the world but not have the mechanics and experience to follow through with what could be genuis plays. So low even platinum or Gold player's opinions on strategical matters can be very insightful. On a related topic i've been playing SC2 for a month now and have managed to get to top of my diamond league and am desperately looking for practice partners so that i can refine my play which i feel is very messy and try out the new strategies which i see posted on this magnificant site against players who are better than me. I feel this is the only realistic way to improve your game at a good rate. So basically it's a plea to all of you TLers out there: If any of you want to practice or just have a few games with a fairly strong Zerg, or even better teach me a thing or two, i'd be very appreciative. Could be beneficial for all of us :D. PM me and we'll sort something. P.S. I'm a new member on the TL website so i'm not sure if i broke any rule with that last bit, maybe irrelevent to the thread. Sorry if it is, don't want to offend anyone | ||
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
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Dooba
Croatia588 Posts
/support OP | ||
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
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Lane
United States46 Posts
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oskuboi
Finland72 Posts
On August 25 2010 07:21 3clipse wrote: I really hate these "600pt = D+" comparisons. Bw and sc2 are two very different games in very different stages of their development which are ranked on very different ladders. You cannot translate one into the other. I've beaten former B bw players and lost to former D- bw players. There's no standard measure of skill; apm is inadequate, winrate is inadequate, etc. It's also tough to compare a percentile ranking because the sc2 ladder incorporates the full population while iccup was and is a fairly elite, self-selecting group. That said, your point is solid, Saracen. The game is in its infancy and very few players have developed the understanding necessary to criticize the game's best. The worth of all-in strategies is inflated and will win more games now than any other time because timings and capabilities are not yet well established. All opinions must be taken with a grain of salt at this time. Im prety sure that he doesnt means that if u were D+ in bw u are 600pt now. He ment that with same ammount of skill/knowing the game 600pt here would be D+ in sc1 imo | ||
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
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rycho
United States360 Posts
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Ahreum
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Although this is my first post in the TL community, I'm not new, I usually don't bother registering because I just want to keep updated on the Korean Starcraft I scene and read some strategies. However, through my random moment of reading some posts, I came across this post. You described exactly how I feel when I read some of the Starcraft 2 posts. You actually made me post, good work. | ||
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rifi
United States74 Posts
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=125833 I'm linking it so people can see the suggestions. | ||
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TheGrimace
United States929 Posts
Forum - a public meeting place for open discussion | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
Read the whole thing, please. | ||
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Yurie
12166 Posts
Strictly enforcing the "Everything you say must be supported by evidence" rule would cure a large part of the current problem. Examples of threads that just makes me wonder why they are in strategy (and thus lowers enjoyment of the section): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147124 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=146601 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147086 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147091 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=146940 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142670 Always put the right tag ([H][D][G][Q]) in your thread title Not even half the threads has that. :/ Edit, basically, could the rules please be enforced, then we can see if that is enough? Edit 2, oh and about the topic, I agree. Most of the threads has discussion that doesn't contribute a lot and just argues a point back and forth instead of testing it. I am no saint either though. | ||
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Stets
United States14 Posts
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SpiDaH
France198 Posts
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MikeT
Canada35 Posts
My observation is very few games at my level make it past the mid game stage. Most of the time the game is over by the time the food count hits around 100. Actually, most games are over by the time 50 food is reached in PvP, b/c its a major zealot fest. It's amazing how easy it is to do massive damage on the "safe" 2 gate opening. People to listen to are the pros and the people who routinely make it to late game battles because nobody has died early to early pressure. I used to hate what I thought was elitism coming out of TL, but as I've spent more time here and played more games, I have to conclude that the pros are right. Even they don't understand the game fully, but they have a much better understanding than I do. I probably learn more watching one game of Tester or WhiteRa than I do grinding 5-10 games on the ladder, b/c their strategy is so streamlined and amazing to watch. Edit: I would also comment that there are a lot of short posts made which really add nothing to the discussion, and at times may even derail it. I support a stricter enforcement of posting guidelines for new threads. | ||
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Hoopz
United States4 Posts
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