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KakashiX
United Kingdom132 Posts
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:44 segfix wrote: Chess is the simplest kiddie board game I've ever played. 6 pieces, tiny 8x8 board, turn-based, no unit stats or resources. Wrapping your head around DnD is literally 9000 times harder. My point still stands. It's a lot easier to play any type of DnD game after you're through with the initial wall of crap that hits you (believe me, I played quite a lot of DnD based games). Chess might look easy on the outside, but I bet I'd rape you blindfolded even if you practiced it for years. I'm sure on the other hand, I could catch up to your skill in any DnD game given a few months (if I really cared that is, truth is I don't. Not enough depth you know  ) That's real depth for you. | ||
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Argoneus
Czech Republic283 Posts
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gdroxor
United States639 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:47 Chill wrote: Did you just write consultants as sultants? The Consultants of Swing. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Zerksys
United States569 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:50 KakashiX wrote: the OP, makes me, as a relatively new member of TL and sc2 not want to post anything. I have made the occasional post but because of the amount of crazy awesome players on this website im sure i will get a " you suck bro unistall pl0x" kind of comment, maybe those bad diamond players arn't as good as the thinking ones, but could still be very helpful to the lower tier players.... (: Just FYI to all the veterans who act all elitist. This is what we want to prevent. New members are a good thing not bad. | ||
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Fritts
Canada63 Posts
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
/derailment over from me | ||
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Tenryu
United States565 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:50 KakashiX wrote: the OP, makes me, as a relatively new member of TL and sc2 not want to post anything. I have made the occasional post but because of the amount of crazy awesome players on this website im sure i will get a " you suck bro unistall pl0x" kind of comment, maybe those bad diamond players arn't as good as the thinking ones, but could still be very helpful to the lower tier players.... (: Noone will say "you suck bro uninstall pl0x". They will get banned by the admins -_-. People would prolly bash on ur strat a bit but im sure a few will pretty much try to add onto it and improve it, which in the end would be useful information for lower ranked players. | ||
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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
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tofucake
Hyrule18968 Posts
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
So many god awful diamond players that want to make me cry... I don't ladder because honestly it's just as bad if not worse than iccup. I don't get to practice macro games I just fight off cheeses nonstop. This is punishment for not massively laddering when the game came out I guess =P In any case, if you're not top diamond, with the best of the best, don't bother playing unless you really wanna mass game to get there. You'll get much better and more time efficient practice playing vs friends/teammates. | ||
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
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EppE
United States221 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:52 Zerksys wrote: Just FYI to all the veterans who act all elitist. This is what we want to prevent. New members are a good thing not bad. I would reply with "don't be so sensitive". This is the internet for gods sake. If you can't take someone telling you that "you suck" you're in the wrong place. I don't post on most strategy threads because I'm not that top 1%. I would prefer to see some threads dedicated to that top 1% so that everyone can learn from them. If a Silver player asks for advice, Gold up should feel comfortable giving their opinion. However if two Progamers are talking, lower level/skilled people need to stay out. However when MasterAsia posts something on the MU IMBA of ZvT pretty much everyone in the world needs to STFU and listen. It's like Qxc said, why come here and try to have a high level discussion about the game when Bronze/Silver/Gold can chime in and say he is wrong when those low "skilled" player aren't losing because of imba but lack of skill. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
The rankings are so inflated and don't mean shit on SC2, at least compared to BW. It actually meant something to say "I'm B+ on iCCup" on BW, but just about everyone is a "high diamond player." And most of them are really bad, often a one-dimensional product of mass gaming. Even some of my friends who are 800+ diamond just blow at the game. I am actually quite surprised by it. | ||
Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:47 gdroxor wrote: Again - the issue is not criticism directly. It's rather obvious when someone new to the RTS scene who just qualified for silver says X, and a B+ iCCup player who is at the top of their diamond division and has been playing the beta since day one says Y, Y is the vast majority of the time correct. The issue I have is with threads like this. There is no point to them other than to point out the discrepancy between old and new players and making implications that one is inherently better than the other. Nobody is getting game advice. Nobody is being corrected on an errant thought on Protoss strategy. The only reason this thread exists is to draw a line in the sand. That is what I take issue with. Again, there's no reference to old nor new in the OP. Reread it. It all references rank and game knowledge. | ||
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:53 Fritts wrote: I agree with most of Saracen's points and think qxc has a good idea. If good players with a strong understanding of the game don't want to post because of all the garbage in this section then I think something needs to change. The BW strategy forum was a great place to learn and better understand the game and it would be great if the SC2 strategy forum could be the same way. At least every second post there didn't begin with "I'm C- ICCUP so.." or use slings/splings as a shorthand for speed lings. Jesus Christ. The problem is not the general idea your are proposing here. The problem is this thread saying '' You shouldnt argue with a better player because he knows more about the game than you do'' This is a forum, it is up so people can discuss, share ideas, learn from others experience, and for me, it does matter if the guy that is proposing to me a different strategy that I want to try pulls it off in the silver league or if hes winning when having 900pts in diamond. If the pro players dont want to have to argue with people that are not as skilled as them, they can just make blogs, but this is a forum, its a place to discuss and argue, and this discussion and argument shouldnt stop simply because X top player comes in and goes all ''I have the true knowledge'' Everyone can be wrong, especially at these early stages in a new game. | ||
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hefty
Denmark555 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:24 iEchoic wrote: I expect to get hated on this, but it's the truth. The game became very competitive but it's one of the simplest pc RTSes ever made. Care to disagree? User was warned for this post Not hating on you here but pointing out: 1) # of resources/units/races is a very lousy way of measuring complexity. 2) Going down this route claiming that sc1 was simple will give people a reason (although wrong) to not take the rest of what you are saying seriously. You might not care, but I thought you had some of the better points in the thread, so I do. Really, leave the sc1 points alone if you didn't play it. You wouldn't know, just as I don'øt know about AoE2 (sure I played it a lot, but not competitively). | ||
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:49 Whomp wrote: I didn't assume you were, don't be so defensive I just thought I'd mention that it's completely redundant. Your point is valid you make a good arguement you have the right intention but your target audience does not care, to me that's a waste of time. Maybe I've read you wrong, if you want to continue beating a dead horse that's cool I won't argue it further. LOL what is this wild change of tone? It's not a waste of time if I like stating my opinion and interacting with people on TL. | ||
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zoltanqc
Canada171 Posts
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segfix
United States32 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:51 Naib wrote: My point still stands. It's a lot easier to play any type of DnD game after you're through with the initial wall of crap that hits you (believe me, I played quite a lot of DnD based games). Chess might look easy on the outside, but I bet I'd rape you blindfolded even if you practiced it for years. I'm sure on the other hand, I could catch up to your skill in any DnD game given a few months (if I really cared that is, truth is I don't. Not enough depth you know ) That's real depth for you.That was my point... | ||
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