EPTUltimately I think well need to solve this just like we solved the macro debate. By being respectful of the other sides position/worth/values, being willing to compromise when we must and ultimatly finding the best solution.
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
Ultimately I think well need to solve this just like we solved the macro debate. By being respectful of the other sides position/worth/values, being willing to compromise when we must and ultimatly finding the best solution. | ||
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rally_point
Canada458 Posts
- I've never posted any ideas in a strategy thread. Although I consider myself to be more strategic than the large majority of my friends, I feel that I don't have enough experience nor skill to post on TL (this wouldn't change if I were an X level diamond player) - I am very interested in strategy and often frequent these forums looking for new Ideas. However it becomes difficult to sort through the information. It's actually really disappointing when I click on a new thread about ZvZ / ZvT / ZvP strategies to find that someone has carelessly posted 5 lines about something insignificant - To help myself sort through good and bad information, I try to memorize user names and check for high post counts. Though there are users that are very good at sc/sc2 with low post counts, I *think* this usually leads to higher quality information | ||
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kGold
Canada66 Posts
The problems come when players of all different skill levels try to talk about the same thing in the same thread (or carry-over threads). A bad player wont be too successful taking advice from a great player about when to FE; he probably isn't good enough to pull it off. This is just a basic example, you can imagine the cases where differently skilled players discussing the best opening vs. zerg are going to have contradicting opinions. The second problem comes when people are emotional about the balance of the game. 90% of the balance discussion has been irrational in the Starcraft II world as we know it. This causes negative emotions, and any constructive discussion about SC2 and countering strategies and offensive strategies is ruined as a result. | ||
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TrevorJK
United States77 Posts
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nemahsys
Canada457 Posts
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gdroxor
United States639 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:59 Chill wrote: Again, there's no reference to old nor new in the OP. Reread it. It all references rank and game knowledge. What it says and what it implies are similar enough. The OP doesn't need to spell out in clear language what he's trying to say, sort of a neat thing about language, that. But let's give him the benefit of the doubt. What was the purpose of the thread? Was it really to make an easy to follow handy dandy guide to what iCCup rank coincides with what position in diamond a person is? There's been plenty of threads either directly or indirectly comparing the two already. In fact, I'm pretty sure you said something during TL Attack (that I enjoyed) that was very similar, and I'm paraphrasing here - "Getting diamond in SC2 is the skill equivalent to logging on to iCCup". So this is not a new idea. The difference is that the OP actually wrote something in clear language and not a garbled mess of bad analogies. | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
No, your point was that it makes chess simple, which it doesn't. Don't you understand this? I'm saddened, I might not be expressing myself as clearly in English as I thought I was  | ||
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EppE
United States221 Posts
On August 25 2010 07:11 Naib wrote: No, your point was that it makes chess simple, which it doesn't. Don't you understand this? I'm saddened, I might not be expressing myself as clearly in English as I thought I was No you are speaking fine, he isn't making sense. | ||
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SC2Phoenix
Canada2814 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:15 iEchoic wrote: Anyone with the ability to extract social cues from written media can tell this is sort of "I'm a veteran and you're not" rubbing-your-face-in-shit kind of post. Everyone denying it is either completely unable to socialize using written media or just playing dumb. Not at all. Telling me I'm not a veteran wouldn't be rubbing my face in shit, it would be stating the obvious. But he's not even doing that. By the way, don't you think it's unfair to start your post with saying "anyone who doesn't agree with me about the OP is either incompetent or deceitful", disqualifying everybody who contradicts you in advance? What does that say about your ability to socialize using written media? That aside, I didn't find the OP condescending or arrogant in any way. What I rather find annoyingly elitist, cheesy and lame is all these posts starting with "I'm 500 diamond, respect my authorotaaah!", which Saracen wants to stop. As a non-veteran amateur player, so do I. It doesn't mean people should shut up - but that's already been explained a gazillion times, so I'll leave it at that ... | ||
Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On August 25 2010 07:10 gdroxor wrote: What it says and what it implies are similar enough. The OP doesn't need to spell out in clear language what he's trying to say, sort of a neat thing about language, that. But let's give him the benefit of the doubt. What was the purpose of the thread? Was it really to make an easy to follow handy dandy guide to what iCCup rank coincides with what position in diamond a person is? There's been plenty of threads either directly or indirectly comparing the two already. In fact, I'm pretty sure you said something during TL Attack (that I enjoyed) that was very similar, and I'm paraphrasing here - "Getting diamond in SC2 is the skill equivalent to logging on to iCCup". So this is not a new idea. The difference is that the OP actually wrote something in clear language and not a garbled mess of bad analogies. I read it and thought the intention was pretty clear - consider the person, their evidence and their content before their rank. I considered the iCCup analogy one that was made in passing, not the meat of the post. | ||
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nemahsys
Canada457 Posts
On August 25 2010 07:05 Archerofaiur wrote: I feel like this is TL's version of an identity crisis. Its torn between being the biggest Starcraft community and the highest quality Starcraft community. Its not easy integrating the two but well see how it goes :p Ultimately I think well need to solve this just like we solved the macro debate. By being respectful of the other sides position/worth/values, being willing to compromise when we must and ultimatly finding the best solution. man, wish I could say something so poignant. | ||
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vaesolar
United States7 Posts
On August 25 2010 07:11 Naib wrote: No, your point was that it makes chess simple, which it doesn't. Don't you understand this? I'm saddened, I might not be expressing myself as clearly in English as I thought I was He was being sarcastic, no one would think DnD was 9000x more complicated than chess. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
edit: be it through winning quite a few tourneys in their time or backing their post up with explanation, replays and so on. Thus creating a more enjoyable browsing environment. The only thing that the topic further implies, is that someone who got to A- and higher on Iccup is extremely awesome at SC:BW and that such an awesomeness has yet to be achieved in SC2. | ||
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
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teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
Ok, in BW I sucked because I had less practice with low group limitations, few hotkeys for production building selection and very few overview (that kind of overview one only gains with experience which tells you stuff like "Now you gotta take care for your opponents tech path and probably go anti air"). However, even with my limited BW experience, I'ld say that Platinum is the old D. It's low, however there are people who know some basic tactics and can defeat bad players. It truly requires very very very bad skill to get demoted from there, just like it did to fall back to D- or even E. However, the same goes for low diamond. Actually diamond up to 500 or 600. The players are just as bad. Actually some of them just seem to repeat the same cheese for 200 games and if an opponent can defend it, they loose. | ||
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CONFIG
Romania99 Posts
The way ranking is now is so almost anyone can go show off to they're friend that they're in diamond same league where idra is bla bla. | ||
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ToxNub
Canada805 Posts
Let's face it, there are a lot of names to keep track of. How the hell do you know if somebody is good? The very players who are going and telling qxc he is wrong don't know who qxc is. I'm pretty confident even the most egotistical noob (diamond or otherwise) is smarter than that. Give people some credit. Rest assured if everyone had a signature with a link to their profile, people would give your content a little more weight with your insane 1200+ points sig staring them in the face. | ||
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) That's real depth for you.
