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Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 22:43:47
August 21 2010 22:43 GMT
#181
I think this is more of (T)IdrA owning than Zerg owning

lmao @ Idra as Terran in TLPD
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
August 21 2010 22:45 GMT
#182
On August 22 2010 07:43 hystorm wrote:
I think this is more of (T)IdrA owning than Zerg owning

lmao @ Idra as Terran in TLPD


he switched from zerg to terran in sc1 because ZvT was too hard.

then bashes people who switch from z to t in SC2 even though ZvT is even harder.
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
August 21 2010 22:47 GMT
#183
Thanks. Now you've the unleashed the "TERRAN UP" upon the forums. Well, Terrans deserve to have their share of the bitching.
Theston
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany15 Posts
August 21 2010 22:48 GMT
#184
On August 22 2010 07:37 dolpiff wrote:
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On August 22 2010 07:02 Jzerg wrote:
What tournament did this happen in ??

The post says ESL, but the only ESL I'm familiar with is the viking cup, and it certainly wasn't in that one..

It was IEM not ESL oO

IEM is a tournament by the ESL.
Error Ash
Profile Joined July 2008
Germany177 Posts
August 21 2010 22:48 GMT
#185
lol how is this trick new? Weeks ago someone posted a thread here with exactly that trick. And i have been using it for quite some time too...
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 22:52:20
August 21 2010 22:48 GMT
#186
On August 22 2010 07:45 jalstar wrote:
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On August 22 2010 07:43 hystorm wrote:
I think this is more of (T)IdrA owning than Zerg owning

lmao @ Idra as Terran in TLPD


he switched from zerg to terran in sc1 because ZvT was too hard.

then bashes people who switch from z to t in SC2 even though ZvT is even harder.

im pretty sure he switched because all his clan members where zerg and he hated zvz

also zvt was hard in broodwar? TvZ in broodwar was arguably the most apm intensive match terran side
Spaceninja
Profile Joined April 2010
United States211 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 23:32:00
August 21 2010 23:14 GMT
#187
On August 22 2010 07:48 Error Ash wrote:
lol how is this trick new? Weeks ago someone posted a thread here with exactly that trick. And i have been using it for quite some time too...


Who said it was new? Merely underused. And now that people have seen it in a tournament more people will be inclined to use this.
Haters Gonna Hate.
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 23:35:17
August 21 2010 23:29 GMT
#188
On August 22 2010 07:48 Tabbris wrote:
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On August 22 2010 07:45 jalstar wrote:
On August 22 2010 07:43 hystorm wrote:
I think this is more of (T)IdrA owning than Zerg owning

lmao @ Idra as Terran in TLPD


he switched from zerg to terran in sc1 because ZvT was too hard.

then bashes people who switch from z to t in SC2 even though ZvT is even harder.

im pretty sure he switched because all his clan members where zerg and he hated zvz

also zvt was hard in broodwar? TvZ in broodwar was arguably the most apm intensive match terran side

I'm pretty sure TvP is more APM intensive in BW - mines, seiging, EMP. MnM micro is hard, but it's not not as APM intensive.

ZvT is most APM intensive for zerg (not really counting ZvZ, since that's just muta micro for the most part) for zerg, and Terran has always had an advantage over zerg in BW; I can't believe you're even trying to portray it any other way.


As for this, I feel like it's a bit of a false hope right now; it's not like magic boxes didn't exist and that spreading units didn't exist before either. This is going to make going muta stronger, but it's a bit early to claim "ZVT IMBA" and likely the only terrans qqing are noobs anyways.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
August 21 2010 23:47 GMT
#189
Lol people who think this is a glitch

Sitting units still and the game AI doing what it's intended to do and split units is a glitch? "WAAHHH THEYRE DOING WHAT COUNTERS MY BUILD. IMBA IMBA IMBA NERF NERF I WANT TO WIN EVERYTHING AGAIN"
ta2
Profile Joined July 2010
125 Posts
August 21 2010 23:53 GMT
#190
Unofficial VODs:

Game 1
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Game 2
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Game 3
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp39yr4ulBE


Game 4
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Game 5
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No game 5, IdrA wins 3-1.
RaZzy
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands36 Posts
August 21 2010 23:53 GMT
#191
On August 22 2010 04:58 MoNoNauT wrote:
I wish I had saved more of this dialogue, or even the replay, but I was too drunk on victory beer. This guy had been bragging all night about how awesome his ZvT was during our KOTH, and this was the night that the thread that started all this mess was posted. Over the course of the 35-40 minute game, he made a total of 8 marines and then nothing but thors, hellions, and tanks. After I murderized his thors, he just made more thors. I think I killed a total of 15 thors that game, with nothing but mutas.
[image loading]


You zerg people need some innovative play instead of just complaining about the imbalance. Zerg is indeed harder to play which makes them less attractive for some people. But the imbalance is.. maybe just slighty at the start but not magnificent as some(MOST) make it out to be. The speed and mapcontrol of the zerg can be insane.

( Totally no 'hate' vs you MoNoNauT )
Voyager I
Profile Joined July 2010
United States260 Posts
August 21 2010 23:57 GMT
#192
On August 22 2010 07:04 rockon1215 wrote:
It's not really imba. It just means Thors can't be the only anti-air unit. Marines + turrets have to be there in large numbers. Tarson didn't have enough marines.


This. You use Thors because they have long enough range to cover a base or army where Marines could get danced around, preventing Mutas from getting free shots at anything. Then you back them up with plenty of Marines so the Mutas can't just overwhelm the Thors and rape everything.

Of course, this means you actually have to control your army and keep Marines alive against the threat of Infestors and Banelings instead of just slamming out pure Mech and winning.
Vespasian
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania44 Posts
August 22 2010 00:00 GMT
#193
I can bet Blizzard will nerf Zerg not Terran , try playing upper Diamond again Zerg as Terran , its a mess, people like Idra(can i say retards ? ) whine about Terran but some Zerg builds and i dare to say units are realy OP , think worst is banling + early Mutalisks
People that whine about Terran OP dont know how to play zerg !
Terrible Terrbile Damage!
SlowBlink
Profile Joined August 2010
United States102 Posts
August 22 2010 00:00 GMT
#194
Okay quick, someone find out a way to make hydralisks not blow when they're off creep, and zergs won't suck anymore.
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
August 22 2010 00:03 GMT
#195
On August 22 2010 08:57 Voyager I wrote:
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On August 22 2010 07:04 rockon1215 wrote:
It's not really imba. It just means Thors can't be the only anti-air unit. Marines + turrets have to be there in large numbers. Tarson didn't have enough marines.


This. You use Thors because they have long enough range to cover a base or army where Marines could get danced around, preventing Mutas from getting free shots at anything. Then you back them up with plenty of Marines so the Mutas can't just overwhelm the Thors and rape everything.

Of course, this means you actually have to control your army and keep Marines alive against the threat of Infestors and Banelings instead of just slamming out pure Mech and winning.

It means pure mech is dead. It also means a lot of Thor based timing pushes don't work, and it means Terran overall is a lot more vulnerable. You HAVE to get some more anti air now, and that's a big deal. Marines are iffy at best, vikings aren't super cost effective, and ravens are so gas heavy they cut into everything else. It makes the matchup a lot more variable, and I like that a lot.
UnderWorld_Dream
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada219 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 00:04:03
August 22 2010 00:03 GMT
#196
hahah this is the proof this game is great!

Blizzard employees must be smiling hard at this time.
SlowBlink
Profile Joined August 2010
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 00:11:01
August 22 2010 00:08 GMT
#197
This is highly reminiscent of stop lurkers in BW now that I think about it.

[Edit] By this, I mean that zerg found a way to abuse some in-game mechanics in order to make their units more effective.
Bair
Profile Joined May 2010
United States698 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 00:20:13
August 22 2010 00:19 GMT
#198
On August 22 2010 06:42 StarcraftMan wrote:
Oh good. All the Z whiners can now shut up after Idra demonstrated how to beat T players in a high level competition.


Oh hey, the "IdrA beats terran so zerg must be fine" argument again. The issue has not primarily been with mid/late game. It is the early game that makes ZvT so difficult. IdrA (among others) admits this. Even Terrans are starting to think the MU is OP, see Morrow's interview. This muta micro is something that has been known since beta...



On August 22 2010 08:53 RaZzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 04:58 MoNoNauT wrote:
I wish I had saved more of this dialogue, or even the replay, but I was too drunk on victory beer. This guy had been bragging all night about how awesome his ZvT was during our KOTH, and this was the night that the thread that started all this mess was posted. Over the course of the 35-40 minute game, he made a total of 8 marines and then nothing but thors, hellions, and tanks. After I murderized his thors, he just made more thors. I think I killed a total of 15 thors that game, with nothing but mutas.
[image loading]


You zerg people need some innovative play instead of just complaining about the imbalance. Zerg is indeed harder to play which makes them less attractive for some people. But the imbalance is.. maybe just slighty at the start but not magnificent as some(MOST) make it out to be. The speed and mapcontrol of the zerg can be insane.

( Totally no 'hate' vs you MoNoNauT )


Granted, much of the "ZvT is broken!" cries come from people who post like this, but there is still plenty a terran can do long before a good number of mutas come out that is the problem. I am a 500 point diamond zerg, and I know that little of the imbalance affects me because I am as likely to lose a match to a push as to my macro slipping up. The problem is as the community gets better, it will become more and more obvious, and we cannot rely on half-remembered tricks from the beta to come and improve a matchup.
In Roaches I Rust.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
August 22 2010 00:30 GMT
#199
because massing one unit is great fun
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Seltsam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States343 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 00:36:53
August 22 2010 00:36 GMT
#200
So a unit that was bad against another unit is now good against it because of micro?

...does that sound familiar to anyone else?

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