EPTMade up Scenario: 2 thors, 10 vikings along with regular mix of tanks/hellions (blue fire ofc :D)/marines push out while zerg composition is mainly muta/ling/bling, just think about how many free shots vikings will get while mutas get in thors range and how split muta dmg will be by not focusing fire the thors since you dont want your mutas to stack.
[Spoilers] Sweet, sweet Terran tears. - Page 9
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Fitz
Canada77 Posts
Made up Scenario: 2 thors, 10 vikings along with regular mix of tanks/hellions (blue fire ofc :D)/marines push out while zerg composition is mainly muta/ling/bling, just think about how many free shots vikings will get while mutas get in thors range and how split muta dmg will be by not focusing fire the thors since you dont want your mutas to stack. | ||
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jtgizmo
Congo161 Posts
On August 22 2010 06:42 Fantistic wrote: Hasn't this "tears" thing already been done before? I didn't know Terrans cried about Zerg; that's pathetic. I like this micro "glitch" you can abuse with Mutalisks and I hope they don't fix it for entertainment reasons. Although I like Morrow's style, I'm rooting for IdrA lol why do people call this a glitch? you fly over you stop...whats wrong with that, maybe its thors who r glitched huh??! | ||
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splcer
United States166 Posts
and how can it possibly be a glitch? the game has always spread units out like that and the very sad thing will be if terrans complain z op because 5 thors cant kill 4x the amount of mutas | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On August 22 2010 06:53 jtgizmo wrote: lol why do people call this a glitch? you fly over you stop...whats wrong with that, maybe its thors who r glitched huh??! Sigh. Why did I even post in this troll thread... | ||
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Jzerg
84 Posts
The post says ESL, but the only ESL I'm familiar with is the viking cup, and it certainly wasn't in that one.. | ||
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rockon1215
United States612 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
Idra was MUCH more heavily invested into Muta than Tarson was invested into Thors, so of course he annihilated them - Tarson just over-invested in an anti-ground army (Tanks and lots of Hellions) to fight Idra-macro'd mass Muta. I think I learned from a Day[9] Daily that the most devastating combination vs Muta is Thors and Marines, and I hardly saw any marines (was there even 1 late game?) from Tarson against an army that was 95% invested in Muta. Marines do great damage to Muta whether they are spread or clumped and they also fit between and around the Thors for maximum dps. EDIT: vikings and ghosts can both kill Mutalisks too. I don't think Tarson made any of those either. He didn't do himself any favors. tl;dr: mass muta is probably not the answer to zerg's woes vs terran | ||
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
So you guys were bitching about nothing? Or are you just overreacting to something that people have been doing since beta? (Hint: Not clumping up your mutas like morons, actually testing to see if mutas will kill thors instead of listening to conventional wisdom, etc.) | ||
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k20a
Canada412 Posts
On August 22 2010 07:02 Jzerg wrote: What tournament did this happen in ?? The post says ESL, but the only ESL I'm familiar with is the viking cup, and it certainly wasn't in that one.. IEM me thinks sponsored by intel | ||
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Arakash
Germany124 Posts
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On August 22 2010 06:42 Fantistic wrote: I like this micro "glitch" you can abuse with Mutalisks and I hope they don't fix it for entertainment reasons. How do you think it's a "glitch"? You think it's a coincidence that Blizzard has the AoE range EXACTLY the size of the spread of Mutas? | ||
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GodIsNotHere
Canada395 Posts
On August 22 2010 07:07 Arakash wrote: aahhh... Cry! Cry for me! hahaha BTT: i didn't even realise how much of an impact that would have, but to see the Terrans who would create "Zerg Tear" Threads and shouting "l2p!!" left and right, it really is just such an satisfaction. Even more when even these guys start crying and do excatly what the Zerg players did before the Magic Box. Fucking hyprocites. I know that i could get warned for this post, but it's just so ironically and funny :D. (But since this whole Thread is about that, I'm just contributing to the Thread ;P) I'm a bit confused where are all these Terran cry posts that people keep speaking of? Because as far I know Zerg players have been the ones crying an spamming the SC2 section with whine threads for the past month to the point in which the mods were thinking of banned people for creating more. As for the "Magic box"... GOOD we can finally move beyond this "As soon as Terran gets a Thor out Mutas become worthless!" mind set. An yes in that Idra game he did have way more invested in them then the Thors he was fighting. | ||
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mufin
United States616 Posts
On August 22 2010 07:02 Fantistic wrote: Sigh. Why did I even post in this troll thread... Would agreeing with you not make us trolls in your eyes? I almost thought I was being trolled when reading your initial post and if thats the case your damn good at it :p. | ||
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Spaceninja
United States211 Posts
On August 22 2010 07:02 Jzerg wrote: What tournament did this happen in ?? The post says ESL, but the only ESL I'm familiar with is the viking cup, and it certainly wasn't in that one.. IEM IdrA vs. Tarson game 4 I believe. | ||
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TLOBrian
United States453 Posts
Thanks I had a brainfart : P | ||
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ltortoise
633 Posts
On August 22 2010 06:37 Tropics wrote: why the fuck is everyone on the dick of this mutalisk "trick" people have been doing this since early phase 2, jesus. it changes nothing. if you didnt know about it you don't even get to have an opinion on the balance of the matchup. second, its not magic boxes. it's fucking moving your units. magic boxes referred to having units in a specific formation that let them multi cast spells spread out over an area, and what you could to make mutalisks stack. THIS IS NEITHER this is the air equivalent of surrounding with lings. move past then attack move. there is no abuse of the engine or any glitches. ? This has been done way before phase 2, lol. And the magic box IS involved. The air magic box is decently sized, and is easily usable. Spread out the mutas, box them, move them. If you box too large and move, they start clumping. If you box the right size, they don't converge, allowing you to rape thors all day long. | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On August 22 2010 06:36 kickinhead wrote: I see lots of mass-ghost-play's coming up - theyrape mutas and r decent against blings... And u can easily switch to ghosts out of the mass-reaper opening... marines already rape mutas. i do think ghost are good in tvz but only in few numbers. | ||
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dolpiff
France300 Posts
On August 22 2010 05:20 Mentymion wrote: Seriously, when Zerg Player start to use that technique more often, the Thor will be turn into complete garbage... so are carriers and mothership and nothing is done about it xD | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On August 22 2010 07:05 gogogadgetflow wrote: Seriously OP and bandwagon... Idra was MUCH more heavily invested into Muta than Tarson was invested into Thors, so of course he annihilated them - Tarson just over-invested in an anti-ground army (Tanks and lots of Hellions) to fight Idra-macro'd mass Muta. I think I learned from a Day[9] Daily that the most devastating combination vs Muta is Thors and Marines, and I hardly saw any marines (was there even 1 late game?) from Tarson against a army that was 95% invested in Muta. Marines do great damage to Muta whether they are spread or clumped and they also fit between and around the Thors for maximum dps. EDIT: vikings and ghosts can both kill Mutalisks too. I don't think Tarson made many of those either. He didn't do himself any favors. tl;dr: mass muta is probably not the answer to zerg's woes vs terran It's the answer to make terran play something else than pure mech atleast. And it's the only thing we needed. | ||
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dolpiff
France300 Posts
On August 22 2010 07:02 Jzerg wrote: What tournament did this happen in ?? The post says ESL, but the only ESL I'm familiar with is the viking cup, and it certainly wasn't in that one.. It was IEM not ESL oO edit: too late apparently :/ i hope a similar trick counter to ghost EMP in PvT is found soon.. | ||
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