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On August 21 2010 20:53 Renew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 20:50 vyyye wrote:On August 21 2010 20:45 Renew wrote:
It should be obvious that kespa had this in mind when they agreed to let Nada play the showmatch. There's noway in this day and age that it wouldnt have been shown in Korea,thus a staged power play was what us fans had to suffer with.
Blizzard's heavy hand bruised their ego and this was their retort. It's funny and sad how childish kespa is acting. It's a big conspiracy! No, I don't think so. But I do wonder what went through their heads at the time. How is it a conspiracy? If a government ran organization cannot see how it was a 100% guarantee that the match would be re-broadcasted... then kespa really is stupid.
The stupidity is on ESL's part since they're the ones that accepted the conditions. They're the ones who assured Kespa that they can somehow enforce these conditions. If you can't do a job well, that might as well don't do it at all.
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On August 21 2010 20:56 esperanto wrote:
For blizzard, besides of the lan issues, i dont see why/how blizzard is effecting the esports community in any bad way. They granted the rights for alot of tournaments/streams/youtube broadcasts basicly for free. And in my opinion it was the right desicion to give the korean licence to Gom-TV, they seem to be much more liberal than KeSPA.
Besides LAN? segregated realms with no cross-realm play, required permission for large tournaments (and fees), maintaining rights to any games played (and replays of said games), bnet 2.0 essentially releasing every player's bos thus eliminating original play and making practicing for tournaments a lot harder... should I go on?
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On August 21 2010 20:58 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 20:55 Plexa wrote:On August 21 2010 20:54 maJes wrote:
Personally I think it's a fairly simple matter.
KeSPA don't have rights to broadcast SC2 in S.Korea right now.
A KeSPA licensed player is participating in a showmatch, which is being broadcasted in S.Korea.
Who's going to get in trouble if it continues? Obviously KeSPA.
It sucks that the match had to be cancelled but the only person in the wrong here is the guy who streamed it in S.Korea, and caused the chain of events to occur. This sounds pretty plausible.. After all KeSPA agreed to NaDa playing in the show match originally. Why didn't KeSPA do the logical action and order afreeca or whatever to shut down the person streaming the stream? It would have been less of a hassle and we wouldn't have all of this drama.
I agree. How can it look bad on KeSPA if they went to Afreeca first? KeSPA looks even worse now compared to what they would have been.
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On August 21 2010 20:58 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 20:55 Plexa wrote:On August 21 2010 20:54 maJes wrote:
Personally I think it's a fairly simple matter.
KeSPA don't have rights to broadcast SC2 in S.Korea right now.
A KeSPA licensed player is participating in a showmatch, which is being broadcasted in S.Korea.
Who's going to get in trouble if it continues? Obviously KeSPA.
It sucks that the match had to be cancelled but the only person in the wrong here is the guy who streamed it in S.Korea, and caused the chain of events to occur. This sounds pretty plausible.. After all KeSPA agreed to NaDa playing in the show match originally. Why didn't KeSPA do the logical action and order afreeca or whatever to shut down the person streaming the stream? It would have been less of a hassle and we wouldn't have all of this drama.
I'd assume because the burden of enforcing the rules for the showmatch is on the organisers, in this case ESL, rather than on KeSPA. I don't really understand why KeSPA should have to monitor an ESL event to make sure their asses are covered on the licensing front.
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On August 21 2010 20:59 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 20:53 Renew wrote:On August 21 2010 20:50 vyyye wrote:On August 21 2010 20:45 Renew wrote:
It should be obvious that kespa had this in mind when they agreed to let Nada play the showmatch. There's noway in this day and age that it wouldnt have been shown in Korea,thus a staged power play was what us fans had to suffer with.
Blizzard's heavy hand bruised their ego and this was their retort. It's funny and sad how childish kespa is acting. It's a big conspiracy! No, I don't think so. But I do wonder what went through their heads at the time. How is it a conspiracy? If a government ran organization cannot see how it was a 100% guarantee that the match would be re-broadcasted... then kespa really is stupid. The stupidity is on ESL's part since they're the ones that accepted the conditions. They're the ones who assured Kespa that they can somehow enforce these conditions. If you can't do a job well, that might as well don't do it at all.
it seems kespa contacted Nada and told him to quit , what could esl do about it? somehow force Nada to keep playing?
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On August 21 2010 20:38 hacpee wrote:
Again, no one is forcing anyone to do anything. Wall Street investment bankers probably work 100 hours a week. Do you see people weeping for them? No one weeps for them in fact. Playing 10+ hours is in fact what the players want. If they didn't want that, then they wouldn't be on the team playing 10+ hours. Why should you impose your standards and morals on what is right and wrong on other people?
This will go terribly out of topic i think, so I'll just say one last thing, just because they don't have much of a choice doesn't make it right, now i'm not very familiar with the economical / social / educational situation in korea, but to me it seems like many players play because it's a way to make a living.
anyhow, imposing standards and morals have been the US way of bussiness for the last 60 or so years. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad.
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I don't like Kespa.
I mean really. Who's working PR for them? Awful.
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On August 21 2010 21:03 Tiax;mous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 20:59 kheldorin wrote:On August 21 2010 20:53 Renew wrote:On August 21 2010 20:50 vyyye wrote:On August 21 2010 20:45 Renew wrote:
It should be obvious that kespa had this in mind when they agreed to let Nada play the showmatch. There's noway in this day and age that it wouldnt have been shown in Korea,thus a staged power play was what us fans had to suffer with.
Blizzard's heavy hand bruised their ego and this was their retort. It's funny and sad how childish kespa is acting. It's a big conspiracy! No, I don't think so. But I do wonder what went through their heads at the time. How is it a conspiracy? If a government ran organization cannot see how it was a 100% guarantee that the match would be re-broadcasted... then kespa really is stupid. The stupidity is on ESL's part since they're the ones that accepted the conditions. They're the ones who assured Kespa that they can somehow enforce these conditions. If you can't do a job well, that might as well don't do it at all. it seems kespa contacted Nada and told him to quit , what could esl do about it? somehow force Nada to keep playing?
ESL should be the one contacting afreeca to stop the stream. If they know that they couldn't do it, then don't accept it. If you accept a contract, you have to abide by it. People have to understand that this is serious business. Kespa could have let Nada continue and play and then sued the shit out of ESL. That would have been way more crippling to e-sports outside of korea.
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On August 21 2010 20:59 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 20:53 Renew wrote:On August 21 2010 20:50 vyyye wrote:On August 21 2010 20:45 Renew wrote:
It should be obvious that kespa had this in mind when they agreed to let Nada play the showmatch. There's noway in this day and age that it wouldnt have been shown in Korea,thus a staged power play was what us fans had to suffer with.
Blizzard's heavy hand bruised their ego and this was their retort. It's funny and sad how childish kespa is acting. It's a big conspiracy! No, I don't think so. But I do wonder what went through their heads at the time. How is it a conspiracy? If a government ran organization cannot see how it was a 100% guarantee that the match would be re-broadcasted... then kespa really is stupid. The stupidity is on ESL's part since they're the ones that accepted the conditions. They're the ones who assured Kespa that they can somehow enforce these conditions. If you can't do a job well, that might as well don't do it at all.
It's literally impossible to enforce the conditions. In any broadcasted event, 100% of the time, there will be a rebroadcast somewhere on the internet.
ESL have more things to worry about than some kid sitting in Korea restreaming on an external platform.
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On August 21 2010 20:54 maJes wrote:
Personally I think it's a fairly simple matter.
KeSPA don't have rights to broadcast SC2 in S.Korea right now.
A KeSPA licensed player is participating in a showmatch, which is being broadcasted in S.Korea.
Who's going to get in trouble if it continues? Obviously KeSPA.
It sucks that the match had to be cancelled but the only person in the wrong here is the guy who streamed it in S.Korea, and caused the chain of events to occur.
this actually makes sense ..
damn you anon!
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On August 21 2010 21:01 Brad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 20:58 GTR wrote:On August 21 2010 20:55 Plexa wrote:On August 21 2010 20:54 maJes wrote:
Personally I think it's a fairly simple matter.
KeSPA don't have rights to broadcast SC2 in S.Korea right now.
A KeSPA licensed player is participating in a showmatch, which is being broadcasted in S.Korea.
Who's going to get in trouble if it continues? Obviously KeSPA.
It sucks that the match had to be cancelled but the only person in the wrong here is the guy who streamed it in S.Korea, and caused the chain of events to occur. This sounds pretty plausible.. After all KeSPA agreed to NaDa playing in the show match originally. Why didn't KeSPA do the logical action and order afreeca or whatever to shut down the person streaming the stream? It would have been less of a hassle and we wouldn't have all of this drama. I agree. How can it look bad on KeSPA if they went to Afreeca first? KeSPA looks even worse now compared to what they would have been. Haven't KeSPA always struggled to shutdown illegal restreams? Rather than struggle for X amount of time to shut it down via afreeca, they just went straight for the jugular and killed it at the source which took less time (I presume). I mean they were already in game 3 and the game would have been over within 10minutes probably, by then the damage would have been done to KeSPA (assuming what maJes posted was true)
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On August 21 2010 20:05 IamAnton wrote:
Blizzard never cared about E-sports which is clearly evident from there 0 support of anything non Blizzard-Sanctioned. thank god this useless organization is quickly getting flushed down the toilet.
I must disagree with you here, why the hell must Kespa care for Sc2 ? It's not even an e-sport !!! (It may become an e-sport in the future but now it's just a mere video game).
Their name is the Korean E-sport Association, which means, they must only care for :
1> Korean (and not foreigner tournaments, events, or anything)
2> E-sport (which is now BW, and not SC2)
They care for the real current e-sport, which is BW, and that is good enough.
Unlike some big fat video game corporation which has plans to destroy the real e-sport, BW.
For the move they made : if I was Kespa I will do the same : it is well within my right to do that and it does not affect my business, which is "Korean E-sport (BW)", and it will strike a blow to my enemy.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 21 2010 21:06 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 21:03 Tiax;mous wrote:On August 21 2010 20:59 kheldorin wrote:On August 21 2010 20:53 Renew wrote:On August 21 2010 20:50 vyyye wrote:On August 21 2010 20:45 Renew wrote:
It should be obvious that kespa had this in mind when they agreed to let Nada play the showmatch. There's noway in this day and age that it wouldnt have been shown in Korea,thus a staged power play was what us fans had to suffer with.
Blizzard's heavy hand bruised their ego and this was their retort. It's funny and sad how childish kespa is acting. It's a big conspiracy! No, I don't think so. But I do wonder what went through their heads at the time. How is it a conspiracy? If a government ran organization cannot see how it was a 100% guarantee that the match would be re-broadcasted... then kespa really is stupid. The stupidity is on ESL's part since they're the ones that accepted the conditions. They're the ones who assured Kespa that they can somehow enforce these conditions. If you can't do a job well, that might as well don't do it at all. it seems kespa contacted Nada and told him to quit , what could esl do about it? somehow force Nada to keep playing? ESL should be the one contacting afreeca to stop the stream. If they know that they couldn't do it, then don't accept it. If you accept a contract, you have to abide by it. People have to understand that this is serious business. Kespa could have let Nada continue and play and then sued the shit out of ESL. That would have been way more crippling to e-sports outside of korea.
What makes you think ESL accepted that it was their responsibility to stop streaming in Korea? If anything I suspect KeSPA is the one breaching contract as they probably agreed to let Nada play. However as the contract is not public we can't do anything but speculate.
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Damn it, why does maJes have to make sense? I really wanted to hate on KeSPA.
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On August 21 2010 21:09 mimikami wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 20:05 IamAnton wrote:
Blizzard never cared about E-sports which is clearly evident from there 0 support of anything non Blizzard-Sanctioned. thank god this useless organization is quickly getting flushed down the toilet. I must disagree with you here, why the hell must Kespa care for Sc2 ? It's not even an e-sport !!! (It may become an e-sport in the future but now it's just a mere video game). Their name is the Korean E-sport Association, which means, they must only care for : 1> Korean (and not foreigner tournaments, events, or anything) 2> E-sport (which is now BW, and not SC2) They care for the real current e-sport, which is BW, and that is good enough. Unlike some big fat video game corporation which has plans to destroy the real e-sport, BW. For the move they made : if I was Kespa I will do the same : it is well within my right to do that and it does not affect my business, which is " Korean E-sport (BW)", and it will strike a blow to my enemy.
You're wrong bro.
Electronic Sports, abbreviated e-Sports is used as a general term to describe the play of video games competitively. Other terms include competitive gaming, professional gaming, cybersports and V-Sports. Electronic Sports has been evaluated for listing as an Olympic sport by the International Olympic Committee.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_sports
Starcraft 2 currently is really competitive at it's best right now.
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On August 21 2010 21:10 Cedstick wrote:
Damn it, why does maJes have to make sense? I really wanted to hate on KeSPA.
lol there is still hope .. somwhere ..
on a serious note .. you can see how SC2 is being hogged by blizzard and how kespa is being hogged by blizzard and yet both still want MORE .. most if not all gaming companies, besides these two companies, would kill someone just to have 50% equivalent of the total of the fan base with sponsor and tournaments popping left and right for SC2 and How BW is in a country // greed is the reason why we cant have nice things ..
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On August 21 2010 21:06 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 21:03 Tiax;mous wrote:On August 21 2010 20:59 kheldorin wrote:On August 21 2010 20:53 Renew wrote:On August 21 2010 20:50 vyyye wrote:On August 21 2010 20:45 Renew wrote:
It should be obvious that kespa had this in mind when they agreed to let Nada play the showmatch. There's noway in this day and age that it wouldnt have been shown in Korea,thus a staged power play was what us fans had to suffer with.
Blizzard's heavy hand bruised their ego and this was their retort. It's funny and sad how childish kespa is acting. It's a big conspiracy! No, I don't think so. But I do wonder what went through their heads at the time. How is it a conspiracy? If a government ran organization cannot see how it was a 100% guarantee that the match would be re-broadcasted... then kespa really is stupid. The stupidity is on ESL's part since they're the ones that accepted the conditions. They're the ones who assured Kespa that they can somehow enforce these conditions. If you can't do a job well, that might as well don't do it at all. it seems kespa contacted Nada and told him to quit , what could esl do about it? somehow force Nada to keep playing? ESL should be the one contacting afreeca to stop the stream. If they know that they couldn't do it, then don't accept it. If you accept a contract, you have to abide by it. People have to understand that this is serious business. Kespa could have let Nada continue and play and then sued the shit out of ESL. That would have been way more crippling to e-sports outside of korea.
esl probably didnt know what the hell is going on by the time Nada gg'ed. i guess kespa didnt bother to contact esl or afreeca since game would be over till they contact&explain situation and stop the illegal stream. they probably just called nada and told him to stop immediately.
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Someone is getting fired...Kespa's PR person actually lol. Seriously why not just shut down the illegal stream and sue whoever was doing it later?
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On August 21 2010 20:59 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 20:53 Renew wrote:On August 21 2010 20:50 vyyye wrote:On August 21 2010 20:45 Renew wrote:
It should be obvious that kespa had this in mind when they agreed to let Nada play the showmatch. There's noway in this day and age that it wouldnt have been shown in Korea,thus a staged power play was what us fans had to suffer with.
Blizzard's heavy hand bruised their ego and this was their retort. It's funny and sad how childish kespa is acting. It's a big conspiracy! No, I don't think so. But I do wonder what went through their heads at the time. How is it a conspiracy? If a government ran organization cannot see how it was a 100% guarantee that the match would be re-broadcasted... then kespa really is stupid. The stupidity is on ESL's part since they're the ones that accepted the conditions. They're the ones who assured Kespa that they can somehow enforce these conditions. If you can't do a job well, that might as well don't do it at all.
When you wake up, you will realize that blaming someone else is the wrong way to go about things, especially _good_ business.
As an organization they should have / did known / known that an event like this was going to take place.
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