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jamesltl
Malaysia159 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:26 Brad wrote: Massive abuse of power. I don't live in that type of society, so i can't exactly comment. Blizzard is lucky. The LAN issue got pushed back because KeSPA did something even more stupid. what did kespa did? | ||
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Necrosjef
United Kingdom530 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:23 Tadzio wrote: Seems like an abuse of power. I didn't realize kespa controls rights for SC2 as well as BW. I mean, it's kinda like the NBA's player's union telling Charles Barkley that he can't play a televised round of charity golf, isn't it? just dumb that they have that sorta control over the korean BW players & teams. I'm pretty sure Kespa controls the rights for nothing. The only thing Kespa controls are the players who are essentially employees of the teams, kespa controls the teams and therefore controls the players. The players have the ownership of their replays in Korea under korean law which also makes those replays property of Kespa really. Kespa has no power over anything other than to tell their players what they can and cannot do. Just like any other job really in a way. If you work for Microsoft they turn round and tell you that using Google search is out of the question, even in your personal time, might sack you for it. What Nada is doing by playing the showmatch is essentially promoting Starcraft 2 which Kespa don't want because if SC2 was to become more popular than SC1 it would give Blizzard total control over esports in South Korea - due to the lack of Lan features and the revised EULA which essentially means Blizzard own the game, all of the replays and all of the rights past present and future. | ||
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Tadzio
3340 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:28 hacpee wrote: The NBA can't because barkley doesn't work for the NBA anymore, but ESPN can if its in the contract. Exactly my point. Does this mean that kespa's contracts with wemade, and by extention nada, include all other games? It seems weird to me that they can stop an SC2 showmatch if they're an BW-centric establishment. | ||
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Narien
Sweden31 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:20 hacpee wrote: Its not like they hide the conditions of the B team members. The players know what they're getting in to when they join. Its like the people who want to be movie stars. They know that they'll most likely end up working at starbucks or wal-mart for the rest of their lives but they still try to be movie stars. Ofc not, but I still say that having to play for 10+ hours / day in order to stay competative is a little too much. Any employer that forces people to give up all social life is taking advantage of their situation. edit: and by social life, i mean everything that doesn't regard playing (training) starcraft or surviving. | ||
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jamesltl
Malaysia159 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:29 cr4ckshot wrote: anyone got the VODs? I missed it. it is not in VOD. its live stream | ||
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
if they had stopped the game halfway through a critical battle in set 2, people would probably go fucking nuts and murder kespa | ||
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Nyx
Rwanda460 Posts
In which case why didn't they just cut the stream and finish the games? On August 21 2010 20:15 Arm4n wrote: are you talking about football? then yes you can. if you're talking about soccer who cares go die. Everybody but one stubborn country? Jus, sayin. | ||
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jamesltl
Malaysia159 Posts
What Nada is doing by playing the showmatch is essentially promoting Starcraft 2 which Kespa don't want because if SC2 was to become more popular than SC1 it would give Blizzard total control over esports in South Korea - due to the lack of Lan features and the revised EULA which essentially means Blizzard own the game, all of the replays and all of the rights past present and future. wow this is actually true! and i dont even realised this! | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:32 Tadzio wrote: Exactly my point. Does this mean that kespa's contracts with wemade, and by extention nada, include all other games? It seems weird to me that they can stop an SC2 showmatch if they're an BW-centric establishment. It probably includes a clause that Nada can't do anything that would be harmful to Kespa or the WeMade team or the contract would be null, which would apply in this case. BTW, no one is forcing Nada to do anything. Nada could have kept on playing if he wanted to. He would have just probably forfeited his contract. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
this is aaron boone being cut for a-rod, by the way. | ||
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koOma
Norway462 Posts
On August 21 2010 19:58 Cedstick wrote: KeSPA has a bad attitude against the people who own the original rights to Starcraft and actually created the game. I don't care how much they've put in to the eSports community, they've been huge dicks about control, shutting down GOM streaming Brood War and trying to win the game's rights. They deserve it, and they're just butt-hurt now. This. User was warned for this post | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:36 choboPEon wrote: a few years ago, a yankee player (baseball) was injured playing a home game of basketball. because playing basketball was a violation of his contract, he was cut from the team and lost out on millions of dollars. this is aaron boone being cut for a-rod, by the way. nada is gonna get killed in sc2 its pretty dangerous especially on bnet2.0 kespa, stop the match at once! | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:32 Narien wrote: Ofc not, but I still say that having to play for 10+ hours / day in order to stay competative is a little too much. Any employer that forces people to give up all social life is taking advantage of their situation. edit: and by social life, i mean everything that doesn't regard playing (training) starcraft or surviving. Again, no one is forcing anyone to do anything. Wall Street investment bankers probably work 100 hours a week. Do you see people weeping for them? No one weeps for them in fact. Playing 10+ hours is in fact what the players want. If they didn't want that, then they wouldn't be on the team playing 10+ hours. Why should you impose your standards and morals on what is right and wrong on other people? | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:38 theqat wrote: That's an extremely misleading thread title that should be changed How is it misleading? | ||
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Bosscelot
United Kingdom52 Posts
How knowledgeable are most Korean e-sports fans of events like this outside of Korea? Even if it hadn't been streamed over there is it really outside the realm of possibility that none of them would even hear of NaDa playing SC2? Since that's what KESPA objects to I mean. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:37 Tump wrote: nada is gonna get killed in sc2 its pretty dangerous especially on bnet2.0 kespa, stop the match at once! there's no protection on bnet2! no, it's silly, i know. i'm just pointing out that sports-exclusive clauses exist in other situations but they exist to prevent injury as opposed to simply promotion. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
it should be like KeSPA Interrupts showmatch or prematurely ends, something that isnt cancelled. it wasnt cancelled...in fact several games were played! | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:27 Jochan wrote: If they settled on stream in eu/us only, they "legally" could kill the game, but seriously, how realistic is the idea of controlling internet users in Korea ? For Christs sake, even in countries where internet is banned/government controlled you can "sneak things in"... That was failure waiting to happen with this decision. I was coming to post exactly this. Kespa plays the villain so well, the only thing worse they could do is drown puppies with every decision they make. Instead of contacting Afreeca and telling them to take down the unlicensed/illegal restream of the event they shutdown the event. Imagine if that happened with every event in this day and age. Nothing would ever get televised. It's extremely sad the current state of affairs and Kespa's fear of SC2. I understand them trying to protect their stranglehold on everything BW but, you don't do that by pretending that SC2 doesn't exist and that people aren't already playing it at a very competitive level across the world. They're going to be so screwed once the GOM tournament starts it's not even funny. | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:36 choboPEon wrote: a few years ago, a yankee player (baseball) was injured playing a home game of basketball. because playing basketball was a violation of his contract (for obvious reasons that don't really affect the sc1-sc2 situation), he was cut from the team and lost out on millions of dollars. this is aaron boone being cut for a-rod, by the way. This is exactly the situation I was thinking of. Players have these things written into their contract to protect the teams. The teams pay out a lot of money to the players, and they expect the players to look out for the best interest of the team in response. | ||
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