Did KeSPA cancel TLO vs Nada at IEM? - Page 27

On August 22 2010 23:12 Craton wrote:
I watched all three games before hearing anything about game 3 being cancelled and I never thought twice about it when I saw it. Nada was extremely behind when he ended up leaving, so KeSPA's actions ultimately seem minimal.

On August 22 2010 20:01 Devolved wrote:

It's completely illogical to have the terms of an agreement between two parties rely on the actions of a third party that is uncontrollable by the two parties entering the agreement (i.e. pirate streamers). If this is the way KeSPA handled negotiations with Blizzard I can see why Blizzard finally said F-it and signed a deal with GOM.

On August 22 2010 23:23 Clipped wrote:

That's irrelevant and not why most people are bitching. It was a show-match and leaving that early can be considered BM and completely unlike NaDa. And let's not forget that we won't get any good quality vods or replays because of KeSPA.

On August 23 2010 01:20 Baarn wrote:


Oh darn someone being BM in one match for circumstances out of their control. They'll get released at some point just not at your leisure. People are bitching cause it's just something to bitch about for no other reason than bitching.

On August 22 2010 15:03 Secret_Agent_360 wrote:
For those who are not really aware of KeSPA's business, here's the timeline of KeSPA and its major events in (South) Korea

1. KeSPA (Korean e-Sports Player Association) was founded.
2. Blizzard didn't pay much attention to KeSPA.
3. KeSPA tried to sell tickets to offline audience for the final match of Ongamenet Starcraft taurnament.
4. Blizzard said, 'No, you can't do that.'
5. KeSPA then started to take money from two major game channels, Ongamenet and MBC Game, for broadcasting Starcraft matches in Korea
6. Blizzard got mad a bit about this.
7. Only GomTV contacted Blizzard directly to request for broadcasting matches online.
8. Blizzard asked only 1$ for the contract fee.
9. GomTV created GomTV Classic and began to broadcast games.
10. Around Season 4, KeSPA told GomTV to pay money for the broadcasting.
11. GomTV argued that KeSPA didn't have any rights to do so by mentioning its contract with Blizzard.
12. KeSPA pulled their progamers out of GomTV Classic matches.
13. Eventually, GomTV went out of business.
14. Blizzard got really mad.
15. Blizzard set in motion to protect its property as well as intellectual property of Starcraft.
16. Blizzard tried to negotiate a contract with KeSPA.
17. KeSPA refused, argueing that e-sports are like other sports such as basketball and soccer, and we don't pay money to the creator of the soccer ball for soccer games. Starcraft is for the public use like the soccer ball.
18. Michael Morhaime, the president of Blizzard, visited Korea to meet progamers while promoting new Starcraft2 beta in Korea.
19. KeSPA threatened each progamer team not to meet Michael Morhaime.
20. So Michael Morhaime couldn't meet any progamers and had to return to U.S. in vain.
21. Blizzard constantly tried to negotiate with KeSPA, but KeSPA kept refusing for the same reason.
22. Blizzard finally announced that there'll be no negotiation with KeSPA.
23. Blizzard provided GomTV with the rights for broadcasting all the matches using Blizzard games. Also Blizzard informed that all the matches from KeSPA after the end of August, 2010 will expire, so KeSPA will not be able to have any matches using Blizzard games, otherwise be sued by Blizzard.
24. KeSPA furiously reacted to the 'sudden' terms. (Actually, it seemed like threatenening Blizzard)
25. Ongamenet and MBC Game hurriedly tried to negotiate with GomTV
26. In fact, there's no difference for them because they are going to pay GomTV the same money which they've been paying to KeSPA.
27. The only weapon that KeSPA has now is progamer teams that belong to KeSPA.
28. KeSPA prohibited progamers (including SlayersBoxer and NaDa) from playing, or even trying, Starcraft 2.
29. Consequently, the current high ranking players are usually retired progamers and amateurs.
30. GomTV prepared for the broadcast of GSL(Global Starcraft 2 League).
31. The scale of the league surpassed by far that from KeSPA.
32. KeSPA is now trying some media manipulation saying bad things about Starcraft 2
33. Recently, KeSPA forced NaDa to quit playing during the Starcraft2 event match that was held in Germany.
34. KeSPA gave an excuse that it was because of a network problem.
35. KeSPA changed the excuse that NaDa had another event to attend to at that time.

Most of these are known facts that have happend and are happening in Korea.
I read the original version which was in Korean posted in Ruliweb.com and I got somewhat upset about the whole story, so i decided to trasnlate it into English so that many can learn about how KeSPA has been doing to fans, progamers, and Blizzard.

On August 22 2010 23:04 MichaelJLowell wrote:
I support the billion-dollar corporate conglomerate in its fight against the other! They claim to be about e-sports. But really, they're just in it for the money! This entity's war against its fans has gone on long enough!

On August 22 2010 19:51 jayt88 wrote:
man.. why are there so many ignorant people here.
Progaming and having no life is almost synonymous. If you want to be like Flash, do you think you can do without practicing for at least half a day, its not as though Kespa forces them to practice, its the requirement of their job.
Next, it was already stated clearly that the match would only be allowed if the game wasn't streamed in Korea, and apparently it was, so I don't see why the match can't be stopped since part of the agreement was breached.

All the senseless hate on Kespa is ridiculous, think for a moment, if you were in their shoes and you're getting pushed back against the wall by Blizzard and GomTV.

위 메이드 관계자는 이윤열의 3경기 GG 타이밍이 빨랐던 것은 현지 네트워크 문제로 인해 경기가 끊기는 상황이 발생했고, 경기 진행이 어렵다는 판단이 내려졌기 때문이라며 주최 측에 확인한 결과 KeSPA에 대한 이야기는 현지 ESL 스태프의 잘못된 정보 전달로 인해 불거진 것 같다고 말했다.

위 메이드 관계자는 이윤열의 3경기 GG 타이밍이 빨랐던 것은 현지에서 예정되어 있는 다른 행사에 참여하기 위해서 였다. 경기 상황이 좋지 못했고 갑작스럽게 잡힌 이벤트 경기였기 때문에 부담 없이 경기를 하기로 했었다"며 "주최 측에 확인한 결과 KeSPA에 대한 이야기는 현지 ESL 스태프의 잘못된 정보 전달로 인해 불거진 것 같다"고 말했다.

On August 23 2010 01:20 Baarn wrote:They'll get released at some point just not at your leisure.

On August 23 2010 00:07 Sgany wrote:
I want to ask why we wont get a replay when Blizzard owns the replays? Any game played by any progamers owned by Kespa on starcraft 2, Blizzard own the replay.

On August 21 2010 19:54 Motion wrote:
Mod Edit
Official Comment from Carmac




Different Mod Edit:
Source: FOMOS

A Fomos article suggests that KeSPA had nothing to do with it. The WeMade front office announced:

"ESL was holding an Avalon Online event in Germany, and we received and accepted their abrupt offer for a showmatch with Nada. He hasn't played much SC II, so we allowed the event under the condition that the match be unbroadcasted, but there is no truth to claims that we stopped the match.

There are some rumors going around right now, but it was not WeMade or KeSPA that halted the games. Nada GG'd out quickly in game three because there were network issues, and concluded it would be difficult to proceed with the match. Upon talking to the event administrators, it appears that there was incorrect information about KeSPA relayed to the ESL staff."

So, with two differing stories, ESL people, PLEASE CLARIFY.


Mod Edit:

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WTF, the stream was brought to korea over an uplink with afreeca ...
Is this a typical Kespa move ?

I mean, Ongamenet will show GSL, it looks like kespa trys to stop sc2 in any cases...
Kespa must really hate SC2, and i guess this is an example to not make "pro-gamer license" imo.

On August 22 2010 23:12 Craton wrote:
I watched all three games before hearing anything about game 3 being cancelled and I never thought twice about it when I saw it. Nada was extremely behind when he ended up leaving, so KeSPA's actions ultimately seem minimal.

On August 22 2010 15:41 DonKey_ wrote:
If anyone is looking for the VODs of the matches they have been uploaded http://rapidshare.com/files/414341372/video.flv

enjoy~ all thanks should go to Sgany for recording the stream!

PS. to anyone having issues with the video do not use VLC player, use FLV player