EPTOn August 22 2010 20:03 junkacc wrote:Can't believe all you fanboys and blind worshipers think Blizzard has altruistic motives on this.
I find it comical that you would call people that don't agree with you fanboys when each and every one of your post is either dissing or taking a cheap shot at SC2. Do you have an agenda ? or are you pathologically biased ?Did KeSPA cancel TLO vs Nada at IEM? - Page 26
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Clipped
France122 Posts
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
On August 22 2010 19:50 Devolved wrote: I wouldn't be so sure about that. Just look at the sales of SC:BW in Korea and you'll see it's possibly the best way to promote your product. Blizzard didn't initially put in much effort to stop and/or control E-Sports because it was free advertising for their product. Blizzard didn't initially put in much effort to stop and/or control "e-sports" because "e-sports" didn't exist when the game came out and five years later it was a way for them to make money selling an old product. Starcraft 2 is a new product. There was no guarantee that it was going to enjoy the same kind of success and frankly it would have been absurd to expect that. The vast majority of games will make more money as a result of word of mouth generated by betas, reviews, etc. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On August 22 2010 20:33 Rekrul wrote: kespa only has control over the progamers for another year? or so then its over I thought it was until end of August 2010 which is.. really soon, someone correct me here because thinking about it it doesn't seem realistic? | ||
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crazeman
664 Posts
On August 21 2010 20:08 PlosionCornu wrote: So,having a pro gamer license actually sells your soul to kespa? I mean,If I'm a pro football player,and out of my curiosity I want to partecipate to some other sport event,like,a rally, I can't? Most contracts in sports have clauses that can void your contract if you get injured while engaging in some reckless/stupid/non-team related act. IE if you're peyton manning (I'm thinking american football, not soccer) it's probably not the smartest idea to take a trip to spain, run with the bulls and possibly risk getting injured for the season. | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On August 22 2010 20:35 vyyye wrote: I thought it was until end of August 2010 which is.. really soon, someone correct me here because thinking about it it doesn't seem realistic? Those are Gretech deals, not contracts between KeSPA and its progamers. | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On August 22 2010 18:57 Escapist wrote: Parts 3 and 4 being uploaded LOW QUALITY VIDEO! The video is bad, lots of breaks and crap, so dont watch it full screen. I only copied the video and cutted most of the lag, internet crashes and blank screens the livestreamer had. Not responsible for the quality only trying to provide an unavailable IEM match. KESPA agreed that NaDa could play the showmatch aslong as it wasnt transmited by any means in Korea. But someone made a live stream on a Korean forum and KESPA knew about it so they called in and ordered NaDa to GG out of the 3rd match and finish the showmatch. Omg thanks so much! Nice foresight on recording the stream there  | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
On August 22 2010 20:39 Sanguinarius wrote: But kespa wont have rights to SC2 I thought. But they do have control over the Progamers who still play BW. Like NaDa. Btw, I love how the chats in the Stream during the fights were filled with people asking: "Who is this nub they put against TLO?!" I lold. | ||
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Secret_Agent_360
Korea (South)5 Posts
On August 22 2010 20:03 junkacc wrote: Blizzard will ditch SC2 esport as soon as they come out with SC3 and it won't take 10 years this time. They just want to promote whatever is their latest game and kill off the previous one. Kespa is getting in the way by creating an environment for BW's continued success. Blizzard doesn't care about e-sports. They only want to use it as a promotional tool for their games. They'll try to kill SC2 just like they're trying to kill BW now. But with organizations like KeSPA out of the way, and with complete control of every aspect of the game, the task is much easier. These are the demands Blizzard made to KeSPA. e스포츠협회에 따르면 블리자드는 △게임 사용기간 1년으로 제한 △스폰서십, 중계권 등 모든 수입에 대해 게임사용료 이상의 로열티 및 서브 라이선스 비용 요구 △리그 관련 모든 운영활동에 대한 사전 승인 △2차 저작물인 경기 콘텐츠에 대한 소유권 △협회에 대한 회계감사 권한 등의 무리한 요구를 해온 것으로 알려졌다. -Contracts/Licenses on games last for at most one year (I assume renegotiation after each year). -Royaltees and service payments on top of contract/licensing fees for all sponsorship and broadcasting. -All league and operation activities must be vetted by Blizzard in advance. -Copyrights on all secondary content such as match content belong to Blizzard -Auditing rights on Kespa Can't believe all you fanboys and blind worshipers think Blizzard has altruistic motives on this. They want to put you on the endless upgrade train; like their COD business model. But first they must kill off BW, that is their #1 obstacle atm. Do you know about NDA? It's a business term and stands for Non-disclosure agreement, meaning each company must not share the contents of the contract with other third parties as well as the public. Now, how do you think you got that information? It was KeSPA who broke the rule and used it against Blizzard as a weapon to deal with Blizzard. Seems like you can read Korean so here's a more detailed article about that. http://playforum.net/www/reporter.comm?action=reportRead&iid=10019009&num=30572 They released the information thinking that the demands were really ridiculous so Blizzard would look like a bad ass. I can't really say anything about the demands because I don't exactly know how bad they really are. But I'm pretty sure, the demand, "Copyrights on all secondary content such as match content belong to Blizzard" is no longer true. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On August 22 2010 20:49 Secret_Agent_360 wrote: Do you know about NDA? It's a business term and stands for Non-disclosure agreement, meaning each company must not share the contents of the contract with other third parties as well as the public. Now, how do you think you got that information? It was KeSPA who broke the rule and used it against Blizzard as a weapon to deal with Blizzard. Seems like you can read Korean so here's a more detailed article about that. http://playforum.net/www/reporter.comm?action=reportRead&iid=10019009&num=30572 They released the information thinking that the demands were really ridiculous so Blizzard would look like a bad ass. I can't really say anything about the demands because I don't exactly know how bad they really are. But I'm pretty sure, the demand, "Copyrights on all secondary content such as match content belong to Blizzard" is no longer true. read the SC2 EULA .. "Copyrights on all secondary content such as match content belong to Blizzard" is true .. it was changed ONLY in korea i think .. because they were afraid of the korean gov't .. | ||
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CalmDown.Breathe
United States176 Posts
On August 22 2010 20:37 crazeman wrote: Most contracts in sports have clauses that can void your contract if you get injured while engaging in some reckless/stupid/non-team related act. IE if you're peyton manning (I'm thinking american football, not soccer) it's probably not the smartest idea to take a trip to spain, run with the bulls and possibly risk getting injured for the season. Kespa controls the players that they hold contracts with plain and simple. Not all pro-gamers. It's why players like SangHo and UpMagic are picking up Starcraft 2 and have a feasible future in Starcraft 2 even though UpMagic is banned from Kespa (i believe unless the country of korea banned him from pro-gaming which is just so so so cruel to him and to us). Also why old pros who are no longer in contract with Kespa are playing Starcraft 2 competitively (oGs). It will be interesting to see what happens to both Kespa and the players though when their times end. Also, it'll be interesting to see how the market works. Will companies sponsor Starcraft 2 tournaments and Starcraft 2 teams the same way they did with Kespa and Starcraft: Broodwar? How will pro-gaming work in the post-Kespa (yes, their reign will end unless they change in a major way) era? Those are the unknown questions although assumptions can be made. | ||
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
And yeah, the SC2 EULA itself is very restrictive. I don't know if anything was changed for any particular region or not but there are a million complaints drifting around the internet about that. | ||
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junkacc
99 Posts
On August 22 2010 20:49 Secret_Agent_360 wrote: Do you know about NDA? It's a business term and stands for Non-disclosure agreement, meaning each company must not share the contents of the contract with other third parties as well as the public. Now, how do you think you got that information? It was KeSPA who broke the rule and used it against Blizzard as a weapon to deal with Blizzard. Seems like you can read Korean so here's a more detailed article about that. http://playforum.net/www/reporter.comm?action=reportRead&iid=10019009&num=30572 They released the information thinking that the demands were really ridiculous so Blizzard would look like a bad ass. I can't really say anything about the demands because I don't exactly know how bad they really are. But I'm pretty sure, the demand, "Copyrights on all secondary content such as match content belong to Blizzard" is no longer true. I read the article you posted. So Blizzard tells KeSPA (through a 3rd party) that all negotiations are off. In response, KeSPA releases what Blizzard's demands were. Whether there was or wasn't an NDA doesn't change the fact that Blizzard made those ridiculous demands. By making those demands and then leaving the negotiation table, Blizzard is saying: "it's our way or the highway, take it or leave it". No entity in their right mind would agree to such draconian terms. Seems to me KeSPA was trying to alert the public what they were up against. Given that KeSPA can only play the public support card now, it was a good move on their part. If they can rally the fans around the players, and also get the gamebang operators onboard, since Blizzard shot themselves in the foot in that regard, I still see hope for KeSPA. | ||
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fathead
United States158 Posts
On August 21 2010 19:59 ChickenLips wrote: NaDa was severly behind he lost more than 10 SCVs in TLO's harassment and was behind in units with TLO's death push on its way. Kind of a dickish move by KeSPA though. I don't understand how it is dickish of KeSPA. They agree not let Nada play a game he hasn't practice under the condition it wasn't streamed. The matches were streamed thus the agreement was broken so the bailed out. Which is their right. Where were they at fault exactly? Or all you just a KeSPA hater? | ||
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ironchef
Canada1350 Posts
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Vespasian
Romania44 Posts
Atm anyone beting on BW will loose ! Kaspa acts more like a mafia organisation then a esport one. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On August 22 2010 04:05 waxypants wrote: What is this "Korean stream", "American stream", etc. crap .... they're all being streamed via the INTERNET, right? You can't access Afreeca without a Korean IP or a log in. It's distinctly Korean. | ||
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Clipped
France122 Posts
On August 22 2010 22:21 Vespasian wrote: Realy i hope Kaspa goes down , sc2 is superior to BW (11 years is alote of time in gaming) so i dont understand how they think BW will outpace sc2 in the long run Atm anyone beting on BW will loose ! Kaspa acts more like a mafia organisation then a esport one. As long as the best players are still playing BW I don't think SC2 will succeed and KeSPA still control the pro players as illustrated by how this show-match ended. | ||
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MichaelJLowell
United States610 Posts
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