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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 21 2010 21:17 Keap wrote: Seriously why not just shut down the illegal stream and sue whoever was doing it later? Easier said than done. Also not sure why mimikami's post warrented a temp, his statements are crude, but he has a point. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On August 21 2010 21:09 mimikami wrote: I must disagree with you here, why the hell must Kespa care for Sc2 ? It's not even an e-sport !!! (It may become an e-sport in the future but now it's just a mere video game). Their name is the Korean E-sport Association, which means, they must only care for : 1> Korean (and not foreigner tournaments, events, or anything) 2> E-sport (which is now BW, and not SC2) They care for the real current e-sport, which is BW, and that is good enough. Unlike some big fat video game corporation which has plans to destroy the real e-sport, BW. For the move they made : if I was Kespa I will do the same : it is well within my right to do that and it does not affect my business, which is "Korean E-sport (BW)", and it will strike a blow to my enemy. User was temp banned for this post. No, SC2 is an eSport. Wake up. | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On August 21 2010 21:02 maJes wrote: I'd assume because the burden of enforcing the rules for the showmatch is on the organisers, in this case ESL, rather than on KeSPA. I don't really understand why KeSPA should have to monitor an ESL event to make sure their asses are covered on the licensing front. If Korean law is anything like European or American law, then it can't possibly be KeSPA's responsibility that an unlicensed third-party re-streams one of their progamer's games. The only one violating licensing is the re-streamer who obviously did not obtain a license from ESL to stream via Afreeca. Since Kespa doesn't have a license they can't themselves broadcast, but that does not mean they actively have to stop others from broadcasting. | ||
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TechniQ.UK
United Kingdom391 Posts
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Teddyman
Finland362 Posts
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
Tomorrow I have forgotten what Kespa did, or atleast not think about it much, but instead have doubts about SC2 as a future esport. | ||
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maJes
United Kingdom186 Posts
On August 21 2010 21:20 rasnj wrote: If Korean law is anything like European or American law, then it can't possibly be KeSPA's responsibility that an unlicensed third-party re-streams one of their progamer's games. The only one violating licensing is the re-streamer who obviously did not obtain a license from ESL to stream via Afreeca. Since Kespa doesn't have a license they can't themselves broadcast, but that does not mean they actively have to stop others from broadcasting. Oh I agree totally with you. I just think that if any trouble was to arise from this it would be far easier to just go for KeSPA than to track down an anonymous guy restreaming. Sometimes companies do odd things to cover their asses, I think this is one of those times. | ||
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Defrag
Poland414 Posts
How many disconnects and problems were during this one tournament already? Four I think? | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
On August 21 2010 21:09 Plexa wrote: Haven't KeSPA always struggled to shutdown illegal restreams? It's the same with any sport. In the UK, domestic broadcasters aren't allowed to show football games at 3pm on a Saturday (originally because they want to protect ticket revenue from people going to watch games, maybe not so much a factor now that the bigger clubs' revenue mostly comes from other sources). That doesn't mean that when I'm watching Everton's game in a couple of hours, either via some p2p source or my local's foreign satellite, that the EPL will ring them up and tell them to abandon the game. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On August 21 2010 21:21 TechniQ.UK wrote: You know im not even joking about this but bw players in kor should make a trade union so they're able to improve their conditions, rights and salaries and collectively refuse to play if kespa starts its nonsense with them. A system where the company in this case kespa has all the influence, leverage and control is never going to be good for players. This is stupid. How much money do you think there is in eSports to pay progamers more? It's not profitable and they run solely on sponsors money, so where exactly do you think the extra money will come from for any of this. | ||
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VorcePA
United States1102 Posts
Then we can laugh at them both as the community runs the game the way its supposed to be done. :| | ||
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Mannerheim
766 Posts
On August 21 2010 21:02 maJes wrote: I'd assume because the burden of enforcing the rules for the showmatch is on the organisers, in this case ESL, rather than on KeSPA. I don't really understand why KeSPA should have to monitor an ESL event to make sure their asses are covered on the licensing front. You literally cannot prevent re-streaming of any event that's being broadcasted in any media. See UFC's troubles with ustream and justin.tv for some real world examples. KeSPA's actions were in no way appropriate. | ||
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Aikin
Austria532 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
Rage galore? Damn I really wanted to watch this showmatch  | ||
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maJes
United Kingdom186 Posts
On August 21 2010 21:23 Mannerheim wrote: You literally cannot prevent re-streaming of any event that's being broadcasted in any media. See UFC's troubles with ustream and justin.tv for some real world examples. KeSPA's actions were in no way appropriate. You're right, but if I recall, Dennis said that the conditions on the match stated that it wouldn't be shown in Korea, so the burden would fall on the organisers of the showmatch imo. | ||
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brn4meplz
Canada98 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On August 21 2010 21:21 crappen wrote: You guys say Kespa came out of this one real ugly, but imo, Blizzard's NO LAN bullshit has really shown off in IEM, and I think every player agree how bullshit it is to have no-lan in tournaments like this one. I can not even imagine how irritating and spirit killing that must have been to pause till lag settles, or to suddenly be dropped. Tomorrow I have forgotten what Kespa did, or atleast not think about it much, but instead have doubts about SC2 as a future esport. This has nothing to do with the thread, why are you bringing it up? And I certainly won't forget one of the most anticipated games (for me) this year got interrupted for no apparent reason. I do think some are blowing this a bit out of proportion, but it was quite low of Kespa either way. Almost seems like someone at Kespa allowed it, and a while later someone even higher up went apeshit. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + my 2 cents .. no banhammer please | ||
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ddod
Bulgaria144 Posts
Anyways what done is done. How is the Korean community responding to this? Any Korean here so shed some light on the matter? | ||
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Mannerheim
766 Posts
On August 21 2010 21:24 maJes wrote: You're right, but if I recall, Dennis said that the conditions on the match stated that it wouldn't be shown in Korea, so the burden would fall on the organisers of the showmatch imo. In that case ESL was really dumb for guaranteeing that condition. The only realistic way to fulfill it would've been to play the game in an isolated room and not showing any of it to the public in any way. | ||
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