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Namu
United States826 Posts
On May 04 2011 14:42 Glaven wrote: What? The fact of the matter is in control way out argued tyler. uh no, seemed to me like incontrol was picking up about frivolous things and bashing tyler for them, and trying to make the entire argument look stupid instead of those little things.. if that makes any sense | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On May 04 2011 14:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I 80% failed at expressing what I was trying to say. My message was somewhere in there yeah it was real painful to watch and geoff just smashed you because i think hes good at thinking on the spot (in fact he probably prepares for it on purpose by talking slow as all hell) | ||
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
On May 04 2011 14:40 I_Love_Bacon wrote: He left out information on both sides. He didn't just post EG's "side" and leave it at that. His initial post that started the whole ball rolling was: "Liquid was invited, but chose not to participate." Is that fairly vague and absent of information? Of course, because it would've been a dick move to only post EG's side, or presumptuously post Liquid's reasoning. Yes it is fairly vague and absent of information. If I said "i invited a man named john to eat lunch, he declined" what are your immediate inferences? what do you think happened? Now. what if I said "i invited a man named john to eat lunch and he declined because of unresolvable timing issues" what are your immediate inferences? what do you think happened? actually a BIG difference. The second one is more neutral and truthful actually. and if you are john and here that story told about you in the FIRST way. would you not be offended that the second version was not told instead? | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
Can't stop laughing at this. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On May 04 2011 14:43 rysecake wrote: lol this. Btw for anyone who doesn't know. Terran bonjwa count- 4, protoss count- 0 Taken from the balance argument: iNcontroL: What was the weakest race in Brood War? IdrA: Terran vs Protoss Tyler then threw his head back in laughter. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On May 04 2011 14:40 znowstorm wrote: Not sure if this has been linked here already. Pretty hilarious. ![[image loading]](http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/radioamerica/ctrl.png) Incontrol on 4chan?! | ||
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
I just felt frustrated that although Tyler had the right point, he wasn't able to express it correctly and stick to his point. Meanwhile, 90% of the show viewers hear more of the presentation of the arguments rather than the contents, and think Incontrol is right... Makes it even more frustrating. I'm glad that more of the forum goers posting here are understanding the situation. Bottom line: Intentional omission of facts is manipulative and close to lying. | ||
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Grantiere
United States129 Posts
Incontrol was far more defensive and demeaning in the thread. Idra was much more logical. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On May 04 2011 14:40 PhyreHazard wrote: The point is that TL forum is not a place to advertise, so by responding to the question by doing some PR thing (and making TL look bad in the proccess) is kinda inapropriate. except stuff gets advertised ALL THE TIME look at the SC2 Tournament forum | ||
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bentski
Canada31 Posts
On May 04 2011 14:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I 80% failed at expressing what I was trying to say. My message was somewhere in there I love you man, but I think what's discerning is the fact that you guys pulled in thousands of new viewers and then gave them an incredibly good reason to never tune in again. This is probably not your fault, I think it should be more up to JP to jump in sooner... it literally turned from the best SOTG to the worst within minutes. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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jere
United States121 Posts
On May 04 2011 14:26 drox22 wrote: so you are attacking 1 scv with 25 zerglings? Why not try to hide the zerglings to that the terran doesnt get any information? This is an essential problem with most zerg players, you keep your zerglings clumped and kill 1 scv with 25 zerglings and then go "WHY IS IT POSSIBLE THAT 1 SCV can scout 25 zerglings" answer: because you are stupid. And if you properly control the wathc towers with your zerglings I doubt a terran will ever get an scv to your base and if he uses a scan hes behind economically. All 3 races have the same problem, it's just that for some reason zerg players LOVE to qq and seriously the win rate in all server is pretty balanced, zerg even has a higher win rate than terran on most servers overall, I'm sick and tired of this zerg imbalance crying, just learn to play the game and use your brain and stop crying... or switch races. There was a build used by Zerg vs Protoss around February early March that was pool first then make a lot of zerglings. It was hard to play vs this it was a soft contain. I could not move out or expand and the Zerg could. But around this time the sentry expand came along and I no longer saw it. But that is odd sentry=100 gas. The basic idea of trading minerals for gas and manna. Zerg moves in with expansion down and I was trying to expand using lings to force forecefileds. It was a delay or direct counter to a small attack. | ||
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Brad
2754 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On May 04 2011 14:42 happyness wrote: Yes those are the only two possibilities...... -_- What makes you so certain that Colbi intentionally left that part out? It was probably just carelessness, not being deceptive. Tyler's response to Colbi was childish. And his defense in being immature is literally "I'm somebody, Colbi is nobody" Please. Thats exactlys colbis job. Is to make his brand look better then everyone elses and make everyone elses bad. Pr people just dont make random responses without thought behind it. And that wasnt tylers response. His response was poorly presented and picked apart by someone who was trained to do just that. EG is known through any game to do anything to push their brand ahead no matter who it affects | ||
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PuercoPop
Peru277 Posts
ie. There is a nothing wrong with saying 'Use steelseries and support EG/E-sports' although it certainly doesn't belong on a Keyboard REVIEW thread | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
Also I would like to comment about Day9 vs. Idra, in my opinion this debate was pathetic. But I'm not surprised, this is what happens when players believe they're video games developers. Anyway there's no point arguing with a guy who thinks that "Zerg is broken". So, Idra wins tournaments using a broken race, does that mean he's 10 times better than his opponents? Get real. Hey, Idra followers and depressed Zerg, stop thinking that Idra will revolutionize Zerg play. He's got good macro but that's it. He's far from being a genius, especially when it comes to strategy and TACTICS. But all in all I'm very sad that a guy like Idra is so popular in the starcraft scene. I believe the foreign scene would be healthier without such an immature player. I left wow and its AWFUL community, then came to starcraft & TL. Unfortunately, I found Idra and his fanboys. People thinking that they can devise strategy and solve the game, just like they can master a Tekken 5 character or a Call of Duty automatic rifle. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On May 04 2011 14:43 Daralii wrote: He seems to be of the opinion that switching to P or T would automatically make him a worse player because he's not playing the "hardest" race, or would somehow devalue his accomplishments. While I don't agree with IdrA about balance discussions, he has made it clear he believes that the problem is that he wouldn't be able to compete with these races for quite some time because of the fundamental differences between them. Things like timings, things like hotkeys, even just eyeballing whether you can hold something take a while to learn during which he wouldn't be able to compete at the highest level. | ||
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drox22
129 Posts
On May 04 2011 14:43 Liquid`Tyler wrote: My side of the argument, and the point I was trying to make, was much more complicated and nuanced I got exactly what you were trying to say and you are 100% right. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
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