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On May 04 2011 14:38 Enervate wrote:There are connotative meanings and denotative meanings. Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 10:17 Colbi wrote:On May 02 2011 10:11 KiNGxXx wrote:
No Liquid?
But the tournament sounds good! Liquid was invited, but chose not to participate. If you don't think this post has a deceptive connotation, knowing the information later revealed,I don't know what to say to you. I'll try to explain the connotations of that post in case you fail to realize them. It paints EG as the ones being flexible and accommodating, (inviting TL), and it paints TL as pretentious (choosing not to participate). A more reasonable thing to say would be that EG and TL were unable to arrive at an agreement upon tournament conditions. Period. No one is saying that EG's post was not necessary. Just that Tyler's subsequent response was justified.
This is completely correct too.
EG is claiming the guy was responding in the only way he could from a PR standpoint, but this is clearly not true. It was handled so poorly in that regard that it would have been better to say nothing.
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On May 04 2011 14:40 znowstorm wrote:Not sure if this has been linked here already. Pretty hilarious. ![[image loading]](http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/radioamerica/ctrl.png)
hahahaha
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On May 04 2011 14:39 PZPolice wrote:
Geoff completely disregarding Tyler's argument and trying to make him look like an ass. It was almost unbearable to watch. He has a history of acting childishly but this made me not want to support anything he's a part of.
exactly what I thought.
lost a ton of respect for incontrol...
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On May 04 2011 14:40 Duoma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 14:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I 80% failed at expressing what I was trying to say. My message was somewhere in there Hey, if you don't give a shit, 80% is enough!
80% fail is 20% success :p
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On May 04 2011 14:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I 80% failed at expressing what I was trying to say. My message was somewhere in there
It's ok tyler, we got what you were trying to say, and I agree with it.
....................you also got destroyed by incontrol in an arguement tho lol.
But then again, you can't really argue against a debater.
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On May 04 2011 14:39 rO_Or wrote:
EG is just way more professional than most of the other teams out there. If this was any other professional sport Tyler wouldn't even have a shred of a point...
No other preofessional team in any sport, would speak on behalf of the other team.
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Why does idra stick with zerg like he could do a lot better with any other race.
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On May 04 2011 14:30 Oreo7 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 14:22 TheHova wrote:On May 04 2011 14:21 trias_e wrote:
Tyler is in the right, but doing a poor job of explaining it. I think that, he's on the right line on a moral point of view but i think it's really hard to articulate it. Yeah. Colbi is representing EG. EG invited Liquid and Liquid declines for X reason. All Colbi says is that Liquid declined. That is not the same as Liquid declined for X reason. So in reality, Colbi is lying and giving off false perceptions. I think the entire discussion about Stride Gum/Hot Bid or whatever is weird and maybe not important at all. It's basically the same thing, except with gum and HB the incentive is monetary, whereas with Colbi the monetary incentive to lie is non-existent, so leaving out the comment about Liquid can only come from two places: A) Colbi does not want Liquid to look good and B) Colbi wants EG to look good.
Yes those are the only two possibilities...... -_-
Tyler's position (and he did get heated, which he admitted to be wrong in a weird convoluted way) is that Colbi should have just given the whole story, because the only reasons not to were hostile to the TEAM team liquid, which in turn, damage the very income of the SITE team liquid, upon which Colbi is ironically posting this.
TL;DR - Colbi is intentionally leaving out part of a story which makes TL look bad on the TL forums, and Tyler dont take no shit from that fucking kid yo
What makes you so certain that Colbi intentionally left that part out? It was probably just carelessness, not being deceptive.
Tyler's response to Colbi was childish. And his defense in being immature is literally "I'm somebody, Colbi is nobody" Please.
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On May 04 2011 14:41 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 14:39 PZPolice wrote:
Geoff completely disregarding Tyler's argument and trying to make him look like an ass. It was almost unbearable to watch. He has a history of acting childishly but this made me not want to support anything he's a part of. exactly what I thought. lost a ton of respect for incontrol...
What? The fact of the matter is in control way out argued tyler.
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SirScoots was the guy who came out and handled the situation well from EG's side imo
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On May 04 2011 14:42 sermokala wrote:
Why does idra stick with zerg like he could do a lot better with any other race.
he played terran in scbw.
and he whined.
so... he would probably whine about balance even if he didnt play zerg right now..
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I think that we can all take at least one thing from this SoTG. That thing is machine is a really nice guy!
Good guest addition to the show. Counteracts all the negativity.
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It was just basic debate arguments which don't actually mean anything but are a way of getting the conversation on to a different path and away from an issue that cannot be debated.
Tyler: If you have information say it all or at least be completely neutral (not hard if you are an actual PR person)
Incontrol: They are just being PR and I don't think anything was done wrong.
Differing opinions and obviously slanted towards their individual sides. Didn't need to take that long and it certainly didn't need to result in name calling and the other parts.
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On May 04 2011 14:39 Zeri wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 14:35 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On May 04 2011 14:33 Zeri wrote:On May 04 2011 14:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On May 04 2011 14:28 GeorgeForeman wrote:
iNcontroL is just addressing straw men at this point. Tyler never said not to post. He just said that if you're going to post, be a forum poster, not some guy in a suit. And Tyler never said that you should do that because he's on Team Liquid and its Team Liquid's website. He was saying that as a forum poster, he only wants people contributing on the forums. Which is completely valid. iNcontroL is addressing that point because Tyler inappropriately is accusing Colbi of doing what he says. Colbi posted the barebones facts. Nothing more. Nothing less. He didn't post EG's side and he didn't post Liquid's side. Where Tyler is mistaken and what makes the entire argument ridiculous is poor interpretation of Colbi's initial post. Tyler's whole point is that those weren't the bare bone facts. They were a certain set of true, core, facts, but there were others that are equally as 'bare bone' as colbi said that were left unsaid. and this caused incorrect inferences. Hence Tyler's accusation of deception. I get Tyler's point, but I think they're unfounded. If I felt Colbi was actually responsible for what Tyler was accusing him, I'd probably be on his side. However, I don't think that's the case, and that's why so many people disagree with Tyler. They agree with him in principle, but not in this application of it. Colbi is responsible as a forum poster to speak to a certain set of facts that he believes to be true. Cobli knew the full situation but instead made a post that said "TL invited and decline" instead of "TL invited and decline due to unresolvable server issues" The second post is EQUALLY NEUTRAL and truthful and equally as 'bare bone' and doesn't lead to false inferences. Colbi DID have a responsibility to say that.
Give him a break though. He is aware that he is in a team liquid forum so he might have thought it was appropriate to leave the explaining to TL guys.
Tyler definitely had the point and Incontrol was a bit cruel in attacking Tyler who was a little bit out of his element but Tyler did step out of the line by saying Colbi needed to be ridiculed in public.
I understand that as such a forum veteran ,he holds dear to the community forum aspect of team liquid but as hotbid said, TL has evolved. It is also a news site.And the gateway to everything starcraft 2 in foreign community. Some might like it , some might not but the people running the site said so.
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On May 04 2011 14:42 Glaven wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 14:41 Namu wrote:On May 04 2011 14:39 PZPolice wrote:
Geoff completely disregarding Tyler's argument and trying to make him look like an ass. It was almost unbearable to watch. He has a history of acting childishly but this made me not want to support anything he's a part of. exactly what I thought. lost a ton of respect for incontrol... What? The fact of the matter is in control way out argued tyler.
My side of the argument, and the point I was trying to make, was much more complicated and nuanced
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On May 04 2011 14:42 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 14:42 sermokala wrote:
Why does idra stick with zerg like he could do a lot better with any other race. he played terran in scbw. and he whined. so... he would probably whine about balance even if he didnt play zerg right now..
lol this. Btw for anyone who doesn't know. Terran bonjwa count- 4, protoss count- 0
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On May 04 2011 14:42 sermokala wrote:
Why does idra stick with zerg like he could do a lot better with any other race.
He seems to be of the opinion that switching to P or T would automatically make him a worse player because he's not playing the "hardest" race, or would somehow devalue his accomplishments.
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Cool seeing Machine tonight. And the whole argument was very interesting....
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On May 04 2011 14:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I 80% failed at expressing what I was trying to say. My message was somewhere in there
Hey, I'll tell you what you taught me, if you can chill, chill. So chill.
This week was essentially people finding it funny when people on EG talked down to people more important than them in the community.
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TEAM TYLER.
Tyler made the point that openness and honesty are what makes the forum worthwhile -- and he is right. People can't make self serving statements and neuter truth without expecting someone to call them out. There is no place in the TL forum for a PR machine. If you have information and choose to withhold, okay, I guess that sucks. If you have truth about the situation and misrepresent it, fuck that and GTFO.
If sharing the truth/full story is detrimental to your cause, then maybe your cause sucks and doesn't deserve a perfect reputation.
Also, when two guys are engaged in a debate like Geoff and Tyler were, it's is pretty craptastic for a 3rd (and clearly biased) person to get involved. Geoff making use of the word 'bully' against Tyler all while him and IdrA double team Tyler - oh Geoff you are a walking contradiction in so many ways.
Also, the profanity laced tirade Geoff went on was way out of place in that conversation, it was verbal bullying and provided a raw glimpse into his real self. I admit I have my own flaws when dealing with anger so I am not without issues, but that was way out of bounds. I expect another poorly worded apology where he placates rather than address issues.
It didn't look like Tyler was too down after it all though -- maybe just disappointed that he was so misunderstood by people that were supposed to be allies and peers.
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