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EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
December 14 2010 04:15 GMT
#7141
I dunno how this suddenly became some contention about Minigun's abilities, but I watch his stream pretty often and his PvZ is looking pretty scary atm. IIRC, just today his Void Ray play basically manhandled Slush, who is indisputably one of NA's strongest Zergs.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
aznhockeyboy16
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States558 Posts
December 14 2010 04:21 GMT
#7142
lol... losing to one person repeatedly means very little. I play terribly against a few of my friends, and that has very little bearing on who would beat other people. minigun is a great player, and him repeatedly losing to catz doesn't change that...

anyways... was hoping to see when the next podcast would be and I just see some people talking about protoss and flaming minigun...
TheWoodLeagueAllstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
December 14 2010 04:24 GMT
#7143
im not saying he is a bad player im just saying he is a player that can be worked out at the moment. Mini is my favourite stream to watch hands down, i think his play is excellent, but i dont think he himself would even admit to being one of Americas best Protoss players, hes solid and doesnt drop points easily but he does struggle when someone smart works out the builds he does.
Bunker rushing is the way to a mans heart <3
Dimman
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden43 Posts
December 14 2010 04:28 GMT
#7144
On December 14 2010 13:24 Frack wrote:
...but he does struggle when someone smart works out the builds he does.


You could argue that everybody struggles when someone smart works out their builds:D
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
December 14 2010 04:30 GMT
#7145
As a 2000 point planium player allow me to explain how if someone studies minigun's games that they are then able to beat him.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
TheWoodLeagueAllstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
December 14 2010 04:30 GMT
#7146
On December 14 2010 13:28 Dimman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 13:24 Frack wrote:
...but he does struggle when someone smart works out the builds he does.


You could argue that everybody struggles when someone smart works out their builds:D

Exactly you could but my point is what separates the top tier from the very very good is their flexibility and micro, mini's micro is very very good especially his FF use, but he, so far as i have seen, is not a very flexible player. I think ROOT will help him with that and i look forward to seeing how good he can become .
Bunker rushing is the way to a mans heart <3
teemh
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada120 Posts
December 14 2010 04:35 GMT
#7147
Is there a cast tonight?
BetterFasterStronger
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States604 Posts
December 14 2010 04:43 GMT
#7148
Here it is. Minigun is a good player. His PvP is a bit cheezy, but everyone's is. When i hit him on the ladder 1 forcefield usually wins me the game. Not really a test of skill though, its fucking pvp.

From what I've seen. He beats bad players, but gets crushed by anyone who knows what they are doing. iNcontroL, IdrA, Dimaga. Lot of players tear him apart. All of this can be explained by him training with CatZ. (BAM SHOT AT CATZ)

HOWEVER, if he keeps improving at the rate he is he will be a HIGH LEVEL player in 6-12 months. And when i say high level I mean competing in GSL. He was complete garbage when i hit him on the ladder 2 months ago, and hes 10x the player he was then.

TLDNR: Hes bad, but will be good.
Top 200 as Protoss - Switched to Terran. 0-30 against EGiNcontroL... God damnet
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
December 14 2010 04:48 GMT
#7149
On December 14 2010 13:43 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
Here it is. Minigun is a good player. His PvP is a bit cheezy, but everyone's is. When i hit him on the ladder 1 forcefield usually wins me the game. Not really a test of skill though, its fucking pvp.

From what I've seen. He beats bad players, but gets crushed by anyone who knows what they are doing. iNcontroL, IdrA, Dimaga. Lot of players tear him apart. All of this can be explained by him training with CatZ. (BAM SHOT AT CATZ)

HOWEVER, if he keeps improving at the rate he is he will be a HIGH LEVEL player in 6-12 months. And when i say high level I mean competing in GSL. He was complete garbage when i hit him on the ladder 2 months ago, and hes 10x the player he was then.

TLDNR: Hes bad, but will be good.

You sound so pro dude. Lol @ 6-12 months, almost any top 200 player that got there without mass gaming can compete in the gsl if they trained hard for that long.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
December 14 2010 04:53 GMT
#7150
On December 14 2010 13:43 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
Here it is. Minigun is a good player. His PvP is a bit cheezy, but everyone's is. When i hit him on the ladder 1 forcefield usually wins me the game. Not really a test of skill though, its fucking pvp.

From what I've seen. He beats bad players, but gets crushed by anyone who knows what they are doing. iNcontroL, IdrA, Dimaga. Lot of players tear him apart. All of this can be explained by him training with CatZ. (BAM SHOT AT CATZ)

HOWEVER, if he keeps improving at the rate he is he will be a HIGH LEVEL player in 6-12 months. And when i say high level I mean competing in GSL. He was complete garbage when i hit him on the ladder 2 months ago, and hes 10x the player he was then.

TLDNR: Hes bad, but will be good.


I've seen him beat both Idra and Inc twice pretty easily. Yeah, they're better but certainly not enough to "crush" him.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Crichton
Profile Joined September 2010
Japan196 Posts
December 14 2010 05:15 GMT
#7151
On December 14 2010 02:42 MoreFasho wrote:
Dude, have the people who posted here actually been drunk? Or are they all little middle-schoolers who have only seen it as part of an after-school special? I don't think they plan on getting sloppy drunk before the show. They're going to have some drinks, be relaxed, probably say some hilariously stupid stuff.


I've been drunk many times, just never thought to record a podcast at the time.

That said, sure, if it's not a joke, they can feel free to do it and I'll just turn it off if it's stupid. I'd just rather hear a real podcast than a humor. We only get one episode a week, after all.
Protoss is the easy race, but I'm sticking with it.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 06:04:03
December 14 2010 06:03 GMT
#7152
Poor Minigun. How did his reputation get dragged into this again?

I'm sure he's a great player and A REALLY NICE GUY.

I'll check out his stream for sure to see what the hulabaloo is about.
Array
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada46 Posts
December 14 2010 07:16 GMT
#7153
has there been a new podcast since the 6th?
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
December 14 2010 07:21 GMT
#7154
no
Liquid FIGHTING!!!
Array
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada46 Posts
December 14 2010 07:27 GMT
#7155
when's the next one?
Aim 4 My Head
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand69 Posts
December 14 2010 07:32 GMT
#7156
It should be around this time tomorrow I think
Raiznhell
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada786 Posts
December 14 2010 16:33 GMT
#7157
is state of the game gunna be live from now on or was that just a few times?
Cake or Death?
ApBuLLet
Profile Joined September 2010
United States604 Posts
December 14 2010 16:53 GMT
#7158
The last podcast was early, the next one should be later tonight I assume. They usually do it on tuesdays.
hellsan631
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States695 Posts
December 14 2010 17:08 GMT
#7159
On December 14 2010 13:30 Frack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 13:28 Dimman wrote:
On December 14 2010 13:24 Frack wrote:
...but he does struggle when someone smart works out the builds he does.


You could argue that everybody struggles when someone smart works out their builds:D

Exactly you could but my point is what separates the top tier from the very very good is their flexibility and micro, mini's micro is very very good especially his FF use, but he, so far as i have seen, is not a very flexible player. I think ROOT will help him with that and i look forward to seeing how good he can become .


The biggest issue minigun has is terrible mechanics. His micro is decent, his builds are pretty good, strategy is amazing, but his horrible mechanics are something he has to work out of his system. By horrible mechanics, i mean, using

1 army control group
only using the first 1-4 hotkeys
ive seen him actually click to build stuff

his multitasking isnt up to par really, and because of that, his macro is lacking.

Ive watched alot of his games so far on his stream, and if he can work out those kinks (he already plays a ton and isnt improving in those aspects that much), he will be a fine player. But pitted up against nony, huk, incontrol, or any of the top toss players, i dont think he would fair so well.
BetterFasterStronger
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States604 Posts
December 14 2010 17:32 GMT
#7160
On December 14 2010 13:48 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 13:43 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
Here it is. Minigun is a good player. His PvP is a bit cheezy, but everyone's is. When i hit him on the ladder 1 forcefield usually wins me the game. Not really a test of skill though, its fucking pvp.

From what I've seen. He beats bad players, but gets crushed by anyone who knows what they are doing. iNcontroL, IdrA, Dimaga. Lot of players tear him apart. All of this can be explained by him training with CatZ. (BAM SHOT AT CATZ)

HOWEVER, if he keeps improving at the rate he is he will be a HIGH LEVEL player in 6-12 months. And when i say high level I mean competing in GSL. He was complete garbage when i hit him on the ladder 2 months ago, and hes 10x the player he was then.

TLDNR: Hes bad, but will be good.

You sound so pro dude. Lol @ 6-12 months, almost any top 200 player that got there without mass gaming can compete in the gsl if they trained hard for that long.


I'm probably pro to you, but to everyone whos actually pro, i'm garbage like minigun.

minigun is a mass gamer. him and Mule were one of the first people to get 1,000 wins legitly. And no...it takes more then 6-12 months of training. JulyZerg is my prime example. There is thousands of players who've been playing 6 hours a day since the beta and are still no where. Noobs don't realize that playing X hours a day won't do shit for you unless you know how to train properly.

Minigun is a great player, you can't deny that. But what sets him apart is how rapidly hes been improving. I'm not hating on him, just being real.
Top 200 as Protoss - Switched to Terran. 0-30 against EGiNcontroL... God damnet
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