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Blurzz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 17:50:55
December 14 2010 17:47 GMT
#7161
Can the SOTG possibly get InControl and Sjow on the next cast so they can discuss about the early scouting dilemma that seems to have gotten so popular?

EDIT: Changed the word "argue" to "discuss".
"You can only get smarter by playing a smarter opponent."
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 17:50:38
December 14 2010 17:50 GMT
#7162
"argue" mean "using arguments". So don't drag incontrol into this futuristic and weird (perhaps even alien) kind of way to communicate please :D
Dash27
Profile Joined September 2010
United States51 Posts
December 14 2010 19:26 GMT
#7163
On December 14 2010 09:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i dont really think white-ra's strength is his macro

from what i heard from oGs guys, oGsMC has really good standard play and good macro. but it's not enough for protoss. you have to learn good, fast timing attacks that hit around 7min-12 min mark too. now that he executes those well, he is winning.


(emphasis mine)

If you are on the next podcast I hope you bring this up along with specifics on some of the better attack strategies in that time range. Would be most helpful.

Carrier, has arrived.
Gomas
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Poland312 Posts
December 14 2010 19:32 GMT
#7164
SjoW would be a great guest for the show. The Europe vs America dynamic with Incontrol would be awesome.

Plus I think SjoW has knowledge and understanding of the game like no one else atm, and could provide A LOT to the recently introduced segments, like the match up of the week and so on. Just look at his results, with such a low APM, sloppy macro, and often not using hotkeys, surely his skill lies in his brain ;D
Dystisis
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway713 Posts
December 14 2010 19:41 GMT
#7165
On December 15 2010 04:32 Gomas wrote:Just look at his results, with such a low APM, sloppy macro, and often not using hotkeys, surely his skill lies in his brain ;D

But why is someone playing badly yet getting results a good thing? If he got results then it is most likely by chance or because his opponents were even worse.

I actually don't mean to say that Sjow is a bad player, I haven't seen him play enough to tell if what you say is true. My point is that we should not salute someone for having sloppy macro or not using hotkeys. If it is true what you say, those are glaring weaknesses. There is also a common misconception that macro (and mechanics in general) does not require mental tenacity, which it most certainly does. I think it is what requires the most "skill in ones brain", as you put it; to achieve good macro during heated matches.
Gomas
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Poland312 Posts
December 14 2010 19:58 GMT
#7166
On December 15 2010 04:41 Dystisis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 04:32 Gomas wrote:Just look at his results, with such a low APM, sloppy macro, and often not using hotkeys, surely his skill lies in his brain ;D

But why is someone playing badly yet getting results a good thing? If he got results then it is most likely by chance or because his opponents were even worse.

I actually don't mean to say that Sjow is a bad player, I haven't seen him play enough to tell if what you say is true. My point is that we should not salute someone for having sloppy macro or not using hotkeys. If it is true what you say, those are glaring weaknesses. There is also a common misconception that macro (and mechanics in general) does not require mental tenacity, which it most certainly does. I think it is what requires the most "skill in ones brain", as you put it; to achieve good macro during heated matches.


I'm not applauding him for it. I'm not saying hes a good player either (although i think he is). All I'm saying is that his game knowledge and understanding must be huge, to be able to win with the best, even with the weaknesses he has. Therefore he could be super interesting to listen too, or to talk to Incontrol about not scouting. I was just saying his podcast value would be great.

I'm pretty sure he's working on these weaknesses too.
RaLakedaimon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1564 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 20:15:15
December 14 2010 20:12 GMT
#7167
I think it would be a great idea to have SjoW on but regardless there gonna talk about this I'm sure quite a bit from the upstart its caused in that thread, personally i dont see why anyones arguing about it, so what he does it, its his way of playing the game and hes even said that if at some point he starts noticing its hurting him too much he will adapt into something else. I almost never post but see it as a very lolz worthy thread, everyone getting so angry, we all know its good to scout and if one high ranked player does it differently than that changes nothing, you do or you dont (maybe everyones letting out pent up emotions for having to wait for the GSL finals to start ).
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
December 14 2010 20:13 GMT
#7168
JP has already commented on the requests for European Terran guests that the time-zone discrepancy makes such an endeavor a small logistical nightmare. I'm sure it's possible, and someone may volunteer to wake up at 5 am to speak on the premier SC2 podcast, but it may not be quite as simple as, "Sup SjoW? Want to have a little chat about SCV scouting in TvT and TvP?"
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Dystisis
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway713 Posts
December 14 2010 20:17 GMT
#7169
On December 15 2010 05:12 RaLakedaimon wrote:
I think it would be a great idea to have SjoW on but regardless there gonna talk about this I'm sure quite a bit from the upstart its caused in that thread, personally i dont see why anyones arguing about it, so what he does it, its his way of playing the game and hes even said that if at some point he starts noticing its hurting him too much he will adapt into something else. I almost never post but see it as a very lolz worthy thread, everyone getting so angry, we all know its good to scout and if one high ranked player does it differently than that changes nothing, you do or you dont

Completely true.

Players play how they want or see fit. Bad practices gradually dissipates from the professional scene based on who wins and who looses.
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
December 14 2010 20:18 GMT
#7170
On December 15 2010 05:13 EchOne wrote:
JP has already commented on the requests for European Terran guests that the time-zone discrepancy makes such an endeavor a small logistical nightmare. I'm sure it's possible, and someone may volunteer to wake up at 5 am to speak on the premier SC2 podcast, but it may not be quite as simple as, "Sup SjoW? Want to have a little chat about SCV scouting in TvT and TvP?"


I don't think that getting 4 people together is a logistical nightmare, but also don't think that JP will reschedule the show for an European.
bonedOUT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States140 Posts
December 14 2010 20:27 GMT
#7171
is this weeks show going to be live again?
Firereaver
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
India1701 Posts
December 14 2010 20:33 GMT
#7172
On December 14 2010 13:15 EchOne wrote:
I dunno how this suddenly became some contention about Minigun's abilities, but I watch his stream pretty often and his PvZ is looking pretty scary atm. IIRC, just today his Void Ray play basically manhandled Slush, who is indisputably one of NA's strongest Zergs.

This. It was the first game I've seen Mini play and he seems beastly! Another addition to the scene NO DOUBT!
"They drone drone drone , me win" - JangMinChul(Iron/oGsMC)
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
December 14 2010 20:37 GMT
#7173
On December 14 2010 09:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i dont really think white-ra's strength is his macro

from what i heard from oGs guys, oGsMC has really good standard play and good macro. but it's not enough for protoss. you have to learn good, fast timing attacks that hit around 7min-12 min mark too. now that he executes those well, he is winning.


that's the reason why I might have to switch race. I really don't like that way of playing, though watching MC is incredible.
Hello=)
Minigun
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
619 Posts
December 14 2010 20:38 GMT
#7174
On December 15 2010 02:08 hellsan631 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 13:30 Frack wrote:
On December 14 2010 13:28 Dimman wrote:
On December 14 2010 13:24 Frack wrote:
...but he does struggle when someone smart works out the builds he does.


You could argue that everybody struggles when someone smart works out their builds:D

Exactly you could but my point is what separates the top tier from the very very good is their flexibility and micro, mini's micro is very very good especially his FF use, but he, so far as i have seen, is not a very flexible player. I think ROOT will help him with that and i look forward to seeing how good he can become .


The biggest issue minigun has is terrible mechanics. His micro is decent, his builds are pretty good, strategy is amazing, but his horrible mechanics are something he has to work out of his system. By horrible mechanics, i mean, using

1 army control group
only using the first 1-4 hotkeys
ive seen him actually click to build stuff

his multitasking isnt up to par really, and because of that, his macro is lacking.

Ive watched alot of his games so far on his stream, and if he can work out those kinks (he already plays a ton and isnt improving in those aspects that much), he will be a fine player. But pitted up against nony, huk, incontrol, or any of the top toss players, i dont think he would fair so well.


I play to have fun, sure I am trying to win, but I'm not going to go out of my way to try and win, it's ladder, there is no prize for winning. I'm not going to hotkey my forge, and if I want to click immortal instead of reaching over to the "i" button, I'm going to click it, is it because I can't? no, it's because I don't want to.

On December 14 2010 13:43 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
Here it is. Minigun is a good player. His PvP is a bit cheezy, but everyone's is. When i hit him on the ladder 1 forcefield usually wins me the game. Not really a test of skill though, its fucking pvp.

From what I've seen. He beats bad players, but gets crushed by anyone who knows what they are doing. iNcontroL, IdrA, Dimaga. Lot of players tear him apart. All of this can be explained by him training with CatZ. (BAM SHOT AT CATZ)

HOWEVER, if he keeps improving at the rate he is he will be a HIGH LEVEL player in 6-12 months. And when i say high level I mean competing in GSL. He was complete garbage when i hit him on the ladder 2 months ago, and hes 10x the player he was then.

TLDNR: Hes bad, but will be good.


Good players tear me apart? I am like 2-1 against idra, way up on dimaga, and beat other "top" players consistantly. Am I saying I am better than them? No, but I am saying I get anything but crushed by them. Half the people in this thread have no idea what they are talking about.

But I'm not going to sit here defending myself when I know they are wrong,
“Quiet people have the loudest minds.” ― Stephen Hawking
Mommas Boy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada144 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 21:31:29
December 14 2010 21:15 GMT
#7175
incoming constructive criticism/question:

i just saw this thread yesterday and gave the podcast a chance with the latest offering about patch 1.2

found it entertaining and would like to listen to todays live

i have looked and i can find a posting of what time these casts are done???
i could have missed it but even if thats the case, it should be labeled more clearly somewhere, official website page maybe?

EDIT: I finally found there Ustream site on there twitter, which has the time. 1130 EST for anyone that wants to know /new people
here to play.
LoCaD
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1634 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 22:08:03
December 14 2010 22:06 GMT
#7176
So another 6.30h if there is a Cast the Times are Right and my FoxClocks doesnt lie to me it would be 4.05PM CST 5.05PM EST now

... Timezones ^-.-^ Timezones everywhere ^^
I give up, I just don't know what to write here.
Djeez
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
543 Posts
December 14 2010 22:13 GMT
#7177
On December 15 2010 05:27 bonedOUT wrote:
is this weeks show going to be live again?


Wondering this as well. Is tonight's show live?
''Watching steppes of war in the gsl would be like watching the dreamhack 1.6 finals start out on fy_iceworld. '' -red_b
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
December 14 2010 22:15 GMT
#7178
wait so theres a cast tonight? sweeeeeeeeeet
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
Mommas Boy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada144 Posts
December 14 2010 22:28 GMT
#7179
On December 15 2010 07:13 Djeez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 05:27 bonedOUT wrote:
is this weeks show going to be live again?


Wondering this as well. Is tonight's show live?



ya i believe there dfrinking and your supposed to BYOB lol
here to play.
debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
December 14 2010 22:31 GMT
#7180
How many hours from now will it start?
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