Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 299

On December 01 2010 15:07 pkaok23 wrote:
argument in favor of extended series:

if you're in any tournament and face a single person you're supposed to beat that one person in ONE SERIES, and not two (best of 3, best of 5, best of 7)

since it is a double elimination bracket there's a chance you will meet two times, however it's the same SERIES (but now, since you're meeting again it's a best of 7 rather than best of 3, which makes a lot of sense)

to explain it bluntly, it's as if it's the same series and there is only a break between game 3 and game 4

if some one wins 2-1 in winners bracket then loses 1-2 in the losers bracket the record between the two players is 3-3, this is why extended series (but really it's just a single series) is definitely better than not having it. if extended series wasn't there, the person who loses 1-2 in the loser's bracket would be out, rather than having a final deciding match 7th game to truly see who is best, and i don't see how that would ever be fair in a tournament scenario, seeing as it is the same tournament, regardless of what incontrol rants like an ape about to make seem important they are NOT separate situations, it's 1 series between two people in the SAME TOURNAMENT, they are not playing a new tournament just because it is double elimination, proving TRULY who is best between the two

basically incontrol just shouts very loudly to make things he says seem important or logical, however they are none of these things

i think MLG lee and liquid tyler tried to say something like this but didn't present it as well as they could have

to sum it up: incontrol is a moron, extended series is very good for a double elimination tournament scenario

On December 01 2010 14:59 Monzterg wrote:
Player B that lost in the winner bracket has redeemed and RE EARNED A SQUARE CHANCE against player A by having player A lose to player C and at the same time beating player D and E.

He is redeemed and should not be punished in the bracket in general just because he seems to be a underdog to player A.



I hear the concept of "yes but you should be rewarded for going further in the winner bracket". But you forget that thats not fair either because at the start of the bracket every players skill is undetermined and the difference in chances of playing better players in winner bracket compared to the losers bracket is not as significant as you think.

On December 01 2010 15:12 On_Slaught wrote:


The bolded is the foundation for your entire argument and is completely arbitrary, unfounded and untrue. If this is the case, tournaments has been doing it wrong for 10 years.

Either way, there is a thread for this discussion and that isn't here.

On December 01 2010 15:15 pkaok23 wrote:

your argument: that's wrong

while not supporting this statement at all

my statement is not wrong, yours is

wow that's easy i almost sound smart, too bad you sounded like a moron

On December 01 2010 15:19 On_Slaught wrote:



3 posts and you've made quite the impression.

My point is the burden is on you to prove your claim. You made an arbitrary claim that is the foundation for your entire argument. Since you are the one making an argument the ball is in your court and I merely pointed out that you have the history of a decade of tournaments saying that isn't how tournaments work and you have a pretty high burden if you want us to accept your belief.

Edit: Not even worth insulting.

On December 01 2010 15:25 Holgerius wrote:
Geoff, OSL uses Bo1 for the groupstages.

On December 01 2010 15:34 itungle wrote:


if you think about it, OSL is in Korea where MOSTLY SC 1 Korean Progamer (i believed) can just go with a little amount of money. Unlike DreamHack, where many of the people have to travel from COUNTRY to COUNTRY so.. Do u really feel like they should play BO 1 ( techically 3 games against 3 different players).?

On December 01 2010 15:23 pkaok23 wrote:

i already proved my claim, you didn't prove yours, you obviously are too stupid to grasp any concepts i'm throwing out there and mindlessly blindly throw your arms around hoping you hit something (you didn't)

it isn't an arbitrary claim, that's just retarded, starcraft tournaments are founded on playing people and beating them in a single series, are there any starcraft tournaments out there that play two series in a row, throw the first out and say whoever wins the 2nd moves on? if there is, please present it to me, otherwise you're an absolute moron and fuck off

i made a solid argument that you absolutely failed to debunk, and no there isn't a history of a decade of tournaments saying that isn't how tournaments work, sorry that you can't actually come up with any arguments rather than "hurrr i'm right hurrr i'm going to say i'm right and say the things i'm saying are right and then i can think i'm right, not going to say anything but that i'm right hurrrrrrr"

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