EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 298
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ghostsquall
United States187 Posts
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Xipher
United States8 Posts
On December 01 2010 14:32 Cadgers wrote: wtf is this guy talking about. I have sound canceling headphones and I can't even hear my flatmate bang his loud ass gf. That's exactly what he was saying, you won't hear the bass, but the tech used by most companies was designed by the US military so that it would cut out every thing BUT the human voice. Have your flatmate stand near by and start talking normally and see what it's like? | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
On December 01 2010 14:36 Xipher wrote: That's exactly what he was saying, you won't hear the bass, but the tech used by most companies was designed by the US military so that it would cut out every thing BUT the human voice. Have your flatmate stand near by and start talking normally and see what it's like? I'm sure his flatmate's gf has a lot of bass in her voice when she's having sex. | ||
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lightrise
United States1355 Posts
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dtz
5834 Posts
anyway i think ppl were expecting a comedy show due to the preshow but then got something "formal important stuff" and were upset in the chat for a while. I like the half (very) serious half comedy show so far though. | ||
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Xipher
United States8 Posts
On December 01 2010 14:38 QuothTheRaven wrote: I'm sure his flatmate's gf has a lot of bass in her voice when she's having sex. Crap, I misread ass as bass. My bad. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
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tyrless
United States485 Posts
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Monzterg
Sweden257 Posts
So here is the argument that the guys didnt pull out that is against ES. When you're sitting with a bracket for the tournament, the rankings of the players are undetermined and its now time to determine who's a champion. Notice that the "true champion in theory" is not necessairly a favorite against every other player in the bracket but the player that is a favorite over the most players in the bracket. The true teoretical champion can be a underdog to X players out of the field but everyone else have more then X players that they are a underdog to. There can be cycles like A beat B, B beat C, and C beat A. So lets say player A beats B in winner bracket. A then proceeds to lose to player C in the next winner bracket round B proceeds to beat player D in losers bracket. Player B that lost in the winner bracket has redeemed and re earned a square chance against player A by having player A lose to player C and at the same time beating player D. He is redeemed and should not be punished in the bracket in general just because he seems to be a underdog to player A. I hope it can make sense to you that a extended series is the most fair and precise way to determine who has the internal upper hand between player A and B but it is not the most accurate way of determining who's more likely to be the true teoretical best player in the field, the champion. I can give you extended math on this by making a bracket and showing you how the precentage of how likely player X is to be the true champion changes in theory based on results in the bracket. But this is the fact that if you reach the same spot in the bracket you are generally redeemed and if you want to determine who's going to be the best player against the rest of the field the fair thing is to NOT extend series. I hear the concept of "yes but you should be rewarded for going further in the winner bracket". But you forget that thats not fair either because at the start of the bracket every players skill is undetermined and the difference in chances of playing better players in winner bracket compared to the losers bracket is not as significant as you think. Lets go back to the path we had earler for player A and B to end this with a example A beats B Winners round 1. B beats D in Lower bracket while player A lose to player C in Winner bracket. So now with extended series when A and B play again in loser bracket player A will have a big advantage but lets take a look at their accomplishments so far in the tournament and see if he should have that advantage. A has a total record of 1-1. He has beaten players with score (0-0.) He has lost to players with score (1-0.) B has a total record of 1-1. He has beaten players with score (0-1.) He has lost to players with score (0-0) So I can tell you that 2 players with these records are going to be EXTREMLY similar in chance of beeing the true champion. It matters how big the field is but if we assume its a total field of 64 players then the likelyhood precentage of beeing the true champion is going to differ with FAR LESS then 1%. Let me also ad that in this case they play imidiatly in LB round 2 and this is the case where the chances of beeing the true champion is going to be at its most significance. Let's play they both go on to beat out 4 players each in LB then the chances are going to differ by a astronomically small inexsistant number.  Hopefully you can see that there is a big difference between determining the true champion in theory and increasing the precision in the determination of who has the upper hand between player A and B. | ||
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welshedd
United Kingdom16 Posts
about the extended series (sorry) Would it be better if the two competitors meet again in the finals but it was extended to say a best of 7. So the person who hasn't yet lost would have an advantage but a less overwhelming one. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
I realize this is totally just them chatting and not even part of the show, just a thought that came to me. | ||
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ghostsquall
United States187 Posts
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kirbynator
Canada503 Posts
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pararin
Finland35 Posts
On December 01 2010 15:00 nvs. wrote: I'm slowly started to get irritated by JP's "this will be a thread on TL / this will be a pic on TL / you will have 50 people on TL mad about this" every time somebody says something offensive / unexpected. It may or may not be true, but it kind of takes away from the moment when I'm hearing that 10 times a cast (specifically referring to the pre-show talk before the actual show tonight) I realize this is totally just them chatting and not even part of the show, just a thought that came to me. On December 01 2010 15:02 ghostsquall wrote: NONY SO RACIST1!!! I see a pattern here! | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
Funnier than NonY talking about swedes. | ||
MLG_Lee
279 Posts
On December 01 2010 14:34 Contagious wrote: loooooooool Lee is pretty cool, I used to play 2v2 with him just to try and help him out. This interview kind of makes him sound desperate for an answer though. You did? Doubt it, since I haven't played any twos in SC2. You must be thinking of another Lee. | ||
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pkaok23
Afghanistan9 Posts
if you're in any tournament and face a single person you're supposed to beat that one person in ONE SERIES, and not two (best of 3, best of 5, best of 7) since it is a double elimination bracket there's a chance you will meet two times, however it's the same SERIES (but now, since you're meeting again it's a best of 7 rather than best of 3, which makes a lot of sense) to explain it bluntly, it's as if it's the same series and there is only a break between game 3 and game 4 if some one wins 2-1 in winners bracket then loses 1-2 in the losers bracket the record between the two players is 3-3, this is why extended series (but really it's just a single series) is definitely better than not having it. if extended series wasn't there, the person who loses 1-2 in the loser's bracket would be out, rather than having a final deciding match 7th game to truly see who is best, and i don't see how that would ever be fair in a tournament scenario, seeing as it is the same tournament, regardless of what incontrol rants like an ape about to make seem important they are NOT separate situations, it's 1 series between two people in the SAME TOURNAMENT, they are not playing a new tournament just because it is double elimination, proving TRULY who is best between the two basically incontrol just shouts very loudly to make things he says seem important or logical, however they are none of these things i think MLG lee and liquid tyler tried to say something like this but didn't present it as well as they could have to sum it up: incontrol is a moron, extended series is very good for a double elimination tournament scenario | ||
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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