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On June 30 2012 03:17 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:46 Bommes wrote:On June 30 2012 02:42 Femari wrote:On June 30 2012 02:39 Bommes wrote:
Can't believe people are calling this bullying, thats just mean towards children who are really bullied and no one is helping them.
Avilo is an adult human being and they had a discussion over the INTERNET. Saying that it is bullying is just attention whoring and some people drooling because they can't wait to get their pitchforks out again. The law would entirely disagree with you. Well, have fun finding a lawyer who agrees that Avilo got bullied. I'm no lawyer or anything, but hanging up on someone on a phone is none of my known definitions on bullying. You could find one easily. I mean he shouldn't press charges or anything but a lot of lawyers would agree that it's bullying. Also I'm not talking about him being booted. I'm talking about the constant insults and put downs. That is considered bullying. Always has been. I don't think that point matters cause I'm sure Avilo can handle himself but that is still bullying by definition.
Dear god... If I ever pitched a fit and whined and cried about every time ANYONE said something negative about me I would be pathetic and awful person. Throughout life there is going to be that one person that is poking fun at you and trying to get under your skin. Its not a malicious act, its just part of life. Some people need to grow up a little bit, get a thicker skin and roll with the punches.
Avilo is treated the way he was because of past history, he already made choices that could get him ridiculed. If he couldn't handle that, then maybe he shouldn't be so vocal about balance whine.
I guess what I am trying to say is that we really need to let this slide. This is a FREE podcast that is put on by some of the biggest names in the NA scene. It isn't costing anyone on here anything to tune in and for some reason some people on here feel entitled to have everything PG and politically correct. FUCK THAT SHIT! I want the raw SotG that I know and love since the beta, not some fluff machine where everyone on the show has to worry about what they are going to say as it will caused a massive shit storm from a crapton of randoms
My two cents :D
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Can we talk about the QXC/IdrA discussion of TvZ please?
I'm a Zerg, and I have to admit I think IdrA and QXC both made some excellent points. While I think IdrA is correct that Terrans haven't done enough to adapt, I think he's underestimating just how dramatic the Queen change, coupled with the Overlord speed increase, actually is.
With Queens as viable early game defense, and faster Overlords for scouting, it's made the Zerg early game much more stable. You would have to be pretty bad to lose to a cheese or 1-base all in as a Zerg these days. Not only that, but Queens and the creep spread mechanic give Zerg's a kind of cost effective, passive form of map control. This makes it next to impossible to blind side or engage a Zerg in the first eight minutes.
This stablization of the early Zerg macro game doesn't just change some timings in TvZ, but ALL the timings. I don't think it's fair to call the Queen and Overlord changes imbalanced yet, but it fundamentally changes the match-up and will take MONTHS to determine whether or not it's balance.
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On June 30 2012 03:31 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:29 crms wrote:
Wait, wait, people are grabbing pitchforks over that avilo interview? You guys fucking suck, that was NOTHING. The fuck is wrong with this community? how was it nothing. In what professional shows have you ever heard of where they invite someone to talk down to him then follows by kicking him off the show? Do you have any regards to professionalism? Incontrol and JP laughing constantly in the background while avilo talk is already unacceptable in itself. I don't care what sorry excuses they gave for that part, you should pay attention to your guest when they talk
it;s more of an entertainment show then a professional show thought was pretty obvious it there to have fun for them and the viewers
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On June 30 2012 03:26 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:16 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 30 2012 03:13 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 03:10 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:35 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:29 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:22 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:19 Elldar wrote:
So, you had to have QXC to say what Avilo was "trying" to say because he had made poor arguments and silly examples (which was so funny that they made JP laugh), when he started to derail everything from a debate he got cut off, what a surprise. How did avilo derail the debate? I agree his arguments weren't that solid, but i think the people telling him to "shut the fuck up" are the ones derailing the debate. No, people telling him shut the fuck up were just stating the fact. Avilo was like a student that decided to teach his teacher. It was irritating and stupid. He was clearly on the show for drama only and that is what we got. Only people complaining in here are either Avilo fanboys (good thing they didn't do this to Destiny :D) or the most hardcore whiners that moved over the that Terran whine topic that was closed recently. I had never even heard of Avilo before this show. And telling a person to shut the fuck up in a debate, no matter how bad one party is doing, is both bad mannered and immature. Also i play protoss, not terran. I have a problem with this kind of behaviour, nothing else. If you look at it as a debate from equals then that is true. And if Idra said to QXC at any point to shut the fuck up I would also be here holding a pitchfork or a torch but to Avilo?! Did you listen to him at all? As I said, it was like when a teacher who obviously knows much more then you tries to teach you something and you start acting like he knows shit and you should teach him what did you expect?! Has never in your schooling years a teacher told one of his students to Shut up? Well idra isn't his teacher, nor is a top player. And i actually do consider all human beings to be equal. Strange thought, i know. IdrA IS a top player. Especially if you compare him to Avilo. The difference in not only but skill but also (and most importantly) experience is huge. If an amateur tries to argue with an expert, it's going to be a waste of everyone's time (except for novelty/entertainment value, which is the reason he was brought on in the first place). Well since ive never seen Avilo play i will agree that Idra is most likely alot better than him. But calling Idra a "top" player, is very very far from the truth. Sure, he was a top foreigner in BW, if not THE top foreigner. But not in sc2 mate. im not an idra fan but id still consider him a top player hes had some great runs and great victories in sc2 and this is a nice little recap of those + Show Spoiler +
a highlight video rofl! you serious mate?
however someone also said top 5 foreign zergs . another hard laugh. maybe in the beta. now not at all go to liquipedia and take 5 of the 1XX zergs that are better than him and came further in like MLGs and so on, even tefel cane further in mlg than idra.
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On June 30 2012 03:32 Defacer wrote:
Can we talk about the QXC/IdrA discussion of TvZ please?
I'm a Zerg, and I have to admit I think IdrA and QXC both made some excellent points. While I think IdrA is correct that Terrans haven't done enough to adapt, I think he's underestimating just how dramatic the Queen change, coupled with the Overlord speed increase, actually is.
With Queens as viable early game defense, and faster Overlords for scouting, it's made the Zerg early game much more stable. You would have to be pretty bad to lose to a cheese or 1-base all in as a Zerg these days. Not only that, but Queens and the creep spread mechanic give Zerg's a kind of cost effective, passive form of map control. This makes it next to impossible to blind side or engage a Zerg in the first eight minutes.
This stablization of the early Zerg macro game doesn't just change some timings in TvZ, but ALL the timings. I don't think it's fair to call the Queen and Overlord changes imbalanced yet, but it fundamentally changes the match-up and will take MONTHS to determine whether or not it's balance.
this post is refreshing
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On June 30 2012 03:28 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:26 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 03:16 BlitzerSC wrote:On June 30 2012 03:09 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:07 BlitzerSC wrote:
To be honest I feel that JP should have cut off IdrA instead of Avilo. I mean... saying those kinds of things in front of 10k people is not good at all, it pretty much ruined the show for me. I don't give a shit about " Idra being Idra " , that guys shouldn't get away with things like that. I also love how biased some people are.
For example, if Nani would have said the same thing we would have a topic about it FULL of people talking trash on him, but with IdrA it doesn't happens. Go figure ^^
<3 SC2 community, always coherent. did you even watch the episode seems like you missed so much... Uhm, yes ? The only difference between me and you is that i see things from an objective point of view since i dislike both of them. The thing I saw was that IdrA got interrupted once and then he started talking about how bad Avilo is, that he should STFU ecc. OH RIGHT, if you pay attention there were people LAUGHING in the background (except QXC which seems the only civil guy in there). That's not what i call RESPECT. You don't call a guy just to make fun of the way he talks or about his opinions. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SAY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMEONE WITHOUT DROPPING THE F-BOMB OR HUMILATING HIM IN FRONT OF 10K PEOPLE. Childs, that's what the sotg people are ( except a few ), and i'm done now since most of the people here are so blind that support everything pro players do. I have my opinions, you have yours. Probably neither me or you will change that. Peace. edit: stop saying that IdrA is a top player. Truth is that he is at the same level as Avilo. They both didn't win anything Look at his list of achievements and then tell me he hasn't won anything. Then, just for shits and giggles, have a look at Avilo's list of achievements. Compare them. MVP would probably consider both of them the same. Hell, most pros in code S or even A will probably consider idra and avilo similar in achievements. Fact is Idra has fallen off the map and has done nothing recently to prove himself. He can't even beat top NA/european pros, let alone koreans
I'll let this slide because it's clear you have no idea what your talking about.
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On June 30 2012 03:31 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:29 crms wrote:
Wait, wait, people are grabbing pitchforks over that avilo interview? You guys fucking suck, that was NOTHING. The fuck is wrong with this community? how was it nothing. In what professional shows have you ever heard of where they invite someone to talk down to him then follows by kicking him off the show? Do you have any regards to professionalism? Incontrol and JP laughing constantly in the background while avilo talk is already unacceptable in itself. I don't care what sorry excuses they gave for that part, you should pay attention to your guest when they talk
Your superimposition of arbitrary professional standards in regards to judging a free, online, sc2 talk show is silly.
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so exciting!! talk about match up ideas
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On June 30 2012 03:32 Defacer wrote:
Can we talk about the QXC/IdrA discussion of TvZ please?
I'm a Zerg, and I have to admit I think IdrA and QXC both made some excellent points. While I think IdrA is correct that Terrans haven't done enough to adapt, I think he's underestimating just how dramatic the Queen change, coupled with the Overlord speed increase, actually is.
With Queens as viable early game defense, and faster Overlords for scouting, it's made the Zerg early game much more stable. You would have to be pretty bad to lose to a cheese or 1-base all in as a Zerg these days. Not only that, but Queens and the creep spread mechanic give Zerg's a kind of cost effective, passive form of map control. This makes it next to impossible to blind side or engage a Zerg in the first eight minutes.
This stablization of the early Zerg macro game doesn't just change some timings in TvZ, but ALL the timings. I don't think it's fair to call the Queen and Overlord changes imbalanced yet, but it fundamentally changes the match-up and will take MONTHS to determine whether or not it's balance.
ehh I'm not sure I'd agree that you get map control in the first 8 minutes, that's usually when you're completely blind except for your scouting overlord that you got across the map in the beginning. It's in the mid-late game when the creep spread gets massively out of control that you take map control. Queen openings sacrifice map control (no speedlings) for economy and defense.
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On June 30 2012 03:34 ntssauce wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:26 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:16 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 30 2012 03:13 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 03:10 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:35 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:29 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:22 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:19 Elldar wrote:
So, you had to have QXC to say what Avilo was "trying" to say because he had made poor arguments and silly examples (which was so funny that they made JP laugh), when he started to derail everything from a debate he got cut off, what a surprise. How did avilo derail the debate? I agree his arguments weren't that solid, but i think the people telling him to "shut the fuck up" are the ones derailing the debate. No, people telling him shut the fuck up were just stating the fact. Avilo was like a student that decided to teach his teacher. It was irritating and stupid. He was clearly on the show for drama only and that is what we got. Only people complaining in here are either Avilo fanboys (good thing they didn't do this to Destiny :D) or the most hardcore whiners that moved over the that Terran whine topic that was closed recently. I had never even heard of Avilo before this show. And telling a person to shut the fuck up in a debate, no matter how bad one party is doing, is both bad mannered and immature. Also i play protoss, not terran. I have a problem with this kind of behaviour, nothing else. If you look at it as a debate from equals then that is true. And if Idra said to QXC at any point to shut the fuck up I would also be here holding a pitchfork or a torch but to Avilo?! Did you listen to him at all? As I said, it was like when a teacher who obviously knows much more then you tries to teach you something and you start acting like he knows shit and you should teach him what did you expect?! Has never in your schooling years a teacher told one of his students to Shut up? Well idra isn't his teacher, nor is a top player. And i actually do consider all human beings to be equal. Strange thought, i know. IdrA IS a top player. Especially if you compare him to Avilo. The difference in not only but skill but also (and most importantly) experience is huge. If an amateur tries to argue with an expert, it's going to be a waste of everyone's time (except for novelty/entertainment value, which is the reason he was brought on in the first place). Well since ive never seen Avilo play i will agree that Idra is most likely alot better than him. But calling Idra a "top" player, is very very far from the truth. Sure, he was a top foreigner in BW, if not THE top foreigner. But not in sc2 mate. im not an idra fan but id still consider him a top player hes had some great runs and great victories in sc2 and this is a nice little recap of those + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgeEXZENOh4&feature=player_embedded a highlight video rofl! you serious mate? however someone also said top 5 foreign zergs . another hard laugh. maybe in the beta. now not at all go to liquipedia and take 5 of the 1XX zergs that are better than him and came further in like MLGs and so on, even tefel cane further in mlg than idra.
calm down man just pointing out that hes been a top sc2 pro not just bw. that video is a great example of some of his best wins, and his nice string of championships which was like 4-6 months ago not the beta lol
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On June 30 2012 03:22 FeUerFlieGe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:10 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:35 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:29 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:22 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:19 Elldar wrote:
So, you had to have QXC to say what Avilo was "trying" to say because he had made poor arguments and silly examples (which was so funny that they made JP laugh), when he started to derail everything from a debate he got cut off, what a surprise. How did avilo derail the debate? I agree his arguments weren't that solid, but i think the people telling him to "shut the fuck up" are the ones derailing the debate. No, people telling him shut the fuck up were just stating the fact. Avilo was like a student that decided to teach his teacher. It was irritating and stupid. He was clearly on the show for drama only and that is what we got. Only people complaining in here are either Avilo fanboys (good thing they didn't do this to Destiny :D) or the most hardcore whiners that moved over the that Terran whine topic that was closed recently. I had never even heard of Avilo before this show. And telling a person to shut the fuck up in a debate, no matter how bad one party is doing, is both bad mannered and immature. Also i play protoss, not terran. I have a problem with this kind of behaviour, nothing else. If you look at it as a debate from equals then that is true. And if Idra said to QXC at any point to shut the fuck up I would also be here holding a pitchfork or a torch but to Avilo?! Did you listen to him at all? As I said, it was like when a teacher who obviously knows much more then you tries to teach you something and you start acting like he knows shit and you should teach him what did you expect?! Has never in your schooling years a teacher told one of his students to Shut up? Well idra isn't his teacher, nor is a top player. And i actually do consider all human beings to be equal. Strange thought, i know. Yes but Humans aren't equal in this situation. There is no right to speak if what you are going to say doesn't make any sense, is just wasting time, and is purposely trying to tick someone off. Are you really going to give Avilo any respect after that? That wasn't a debate they were having. Avilo was intentionally ticking off IdrA. I don't blame IdrA for getting angry at that. You can't say they were having a respectable debate when it wasn't even a debate. It was an argument, and naturally arguments spin out of control. If Avilo wanted a real debate he should have been the one to act it. Not cut into what IdrA was saying every few seconds and not act like a total idiot.
So, are you saying freedom of speech doesn't apply to stupid people? And no, i don't have any respect for Avilo, i know basically nothing about the guy. But neither do i have any respect for Idra in that particular situation. If he was really that ticked off by what Avilo said he could a) have told him so in a slightly more respectfull manner. b) he could have just kept his mouth shut. c) he could have disconnected himself. All 3 of these would have been both more mature and, especially, more professional in my view. And how do you know he was purposely ticking idra off? Why can't he just be stupid and ignorant?
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On June 30 2012 03:34 ntssauce wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:26 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:16 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 30 2012 03:13 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 03:10 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:35 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:29 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:22 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:19 Elldar wrote:
So, you had to have QXC to say what Avilo was "trying" to say because he had made poor arguments and silly examples (which was so funny that they made JP laugh), when he started to derail everything from a debate he got cut off, what a surprise. How did avilo derail the debate? I agree his arguments weren't that solid, but i think the people telling him to "shut the fuck up" are the ones derailing the debate. No, people telling him shut the fuck up were just stating the fact. Avilo was like a student that decided to teach his teacher. It was irritating and stupid. He was clearly on the show for drama only and that is what we got. Only people complaining in here are either Avilo fanboys (good thing they didn't do this to Destiny :D) or the most hardcore whiners that moved over the that Terran whine topic that was closed recently. I had never even heard of Avilo before this show. And telling a person to shut the fuck up in a debate, no matter how bad one party is doing, is both bad mannered and immature. Also i play protoss, not terran. I have a problem with this kind of behaviour, nothing else. If you look at it as a debate from equals then that is true. And if Idra said to QXC at any point to shut the fuck up I would also be here holding a pitchfork or a torch but to Avilo?! Did you listen to him at all? As I said, it was like when a teacher who obviously knows much more then you tries to teach you something and you start acting like he knows shit and you should teach him what did you expect?! Has never in your schooling years a teacher told one of his students to Shut up? Well idra isn't his teacher, nor is a top player. And i actually do consider all human beings to be equal. Strange thought, i know. IdrA IS a top player. Especially if you compare him to Avilo. The difference in not only but skill but also (and most importantly) experience is huge. If an amateur tries to argue with an expert, it's going to be a waste of everyone's time (except for novelty/entertainment value, which is the reason he was brought on in the first place). Well since ive never seen Avilo play i will agree that Idra is most likely alot better than him. But calling Idra a "top" player, is very very far from the truth. Sure, he was a top foreigner in BW, if not THE top foreigner. But not in sc2 mate. im not an idra fan but id still consider him a top player hes had some great runs and great victories in sc2 and this is a nice little recap of those + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgeEXZENOh4&feature=player_embedded a highlight video rofl! you serious mate? however someone also said top 5 foreign zergs . another hard laugh. maybe in the beta. now not at all go to liquipedia and take 5 of the 1XX zergs that are better than him and came further in like MLGs and so on, even tefel cane further in mlg than idra.
1. Stephano
2/3. Ret/IdrA
4. Dimaga
5. Sheth
Do you disagree?
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Ugh...I think Avilo and Qxc tried to make a very important point...and Idra does not seem to accept this point...Zerg is a reactive race, Terran is not designed as a reactive race. And this is completely obvious considering how Terran produces units. So like Avilo said, no, Terran can't go four minutes back in time to have enough marauders, and no, Terran can't have the production facilities up to react properly. The moment Terran sees the BL or Ultralisk, then it is too late to respond, Terran can not insta-produce like Zerg. And there is no glass bulb to look in the future...Anyway, I could say more, but Zerg just has soo many tools in the toolbag, keep it as is, but give Terran something more mid-late game to compensate (like a better balances ghost and raven). For example, I would love the raven to have a small probe it can fire to scout the battlefield, but that dies after 5 or 10 seconds, just to get some more close-range vision without a heavy sacrifice.
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On June 30 2012 03:35 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:31 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 03:29 crms wrote:
Wait, wait, people are grabbing pitchforks over that avilo interview? You guys fucking suck, that was NOTHING. The fuck is wrong with this community? how was it nothing. In what professional shows have you ever heard of where they invite someone to talk down to him then follows by kicking him off the show? Do you have any regards to professionalism? Incontrol and JP laughing constantly in the background while avilo talk is already unacceptable in itself. I don't care what sorry excuses they gave for that part, you should pay attention to your guest when they talk Your superimposition of arbitrary professional standards in regards to judging a free, online, sc2 talk show is silly.
yes, it is so silly that many people find their behavior unacceptable. There is a line that just shouldn't be crossed. I don't think treating people with respect is an superimposition of "arbitrary professional standards". Its basic common sense
Just because it is a free, online sc2 talk show doesn't mean it can't act professionally. If they want to market themselves as asshats boy group for teens and child adults, then go ahead. Not a bright idea for what once was a fun, teasing and informative talk show to niche and brand themselves this way
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On June 30 2012 03:31 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:29 crms wrote:
Wait, wait, people are grabbing pitchforks over that avilo interview? You guys fucking suck, that was NOTHING. The fuck is wrong with this community? how was it nothing. In what professional shows have you ever heard of where they invite someone to talk down to him then follows by kicking him off the show? Do you have any regards to professionalism? Incontrol and JP laughing constantly in the background while avilo talk is already unacceptable in itself. I don't care what sorry excuses they gave for that part, you should pay attention to your guest when they talk
What is "professional" about SOTG exactly ? It began as a grassroots community show and it still is, nobody is really paid for this (they don't even display any ads) and it's not part of their regular jobs.
Please stop using the word professionalism, you clearly don't know what it is.
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On June 29 2012 12:17 itmeJP wrote:Unfortunately, that happened. Sorry to IdrA and Avilo for creating that situation. I had no idea that was going to happen and I wished it didn't looking back. I was unaware of their past. In regards to the 'bullying' I don't know really anything about Avilo so when I asked him if that was him, it was a sincere question, not a joke. The reason I cut him off abruptly is because it was going downhill very quickly. It was a brash decision but one I stand by. I instantly messaged him afterwards to apologize for having to do that. VOD processing, MP3 up -- http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.com/2012/06/sotg-ep72.html
In fact, I wanna re-emphasise this. This is what we should look at and say "yeah, it was a mistake, time to move on"
Very well done JP.
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On June 30 2012 03:41 a3den wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:31 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 03:29 crms wrote:
Wait, wait, people are grabbing pitchforks over that avilo interview? You guys fucking suck, that was NOTHING. The fuck is wrong with this community? how was it nothing. In what professional shows have you ever heard of where they invite someone to talk down to him then follows by kicking him off the show? Do you have any regards to professionalism? Incontrol and JP laughing constantly in the background while avilo talk is already unacceptable in itself. I don't care what sorry excuses they gave for that part, you should pay attention to your guest when they talk What is "professional" about SOTG exactly ? It began as a grassroots community show and it still is, nobody is really paid for this (they don't even display any ads) and it's not part of their regular jobs. Please stop using the word professionalism, you clearly don't know what it is.
you don't need to be paid or it needs to be part of a job for people to act professional. They don't have to act professionally, it is their show afterall. But there is nothing wrong with stating how unprofessional they conduct themselves over this episode
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This is really just pathetic and I'm ashamed that it happened in our community.
Come to think of it, here's a random thought: I wonder what would happen if the Korean SC2 scene had a show like this and the Korean SC2 community commented on it. That'd be interesting to have. Really unrelated thought there but I wonder how different people would be on it.
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On June 30 2012 03:43 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:41 a3den wrote:On June 30 2012 03:31 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 03:29 crms wrote:
Wait, wait, people are grabbing pitchforks over that avilo interview? You guys fucking suck, that was NOTHING. The fuck is wrong with this community? how was it nothing. In what professional shows have you ever heard of where they invite someone to talk down to him then follows by kicking him off the show? Do you have any regards to professionalism? Incontrol and JP laughing constantly in the background while avilo talk is already unacceptable in itself. I don't care what sorry excuses they gave for that part, you should pay attention to your guest when they talk What is "professional" about SOTG exactly ? It began as a grassroots community show and it still is, nobody is really paid for this (they don't even display any ads) and it's not part of their regular jobs. Please stop using the word professionalism, you clearly don't know what it is. you don't need to be paid or it needs to be part of the jobs for professional conducts. They don't have to act professionally, it is their show afterall. But there is nothing wrong with stating how unprofessional they conduct themselves over this episode
If it's not their intent to be strictly professional, which they obviously are not considering how much they joke around, then it's a pretty insignificant criticism.
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Just in case it hasn't been covered but it probably has, who the fuck is calling NASL liars about the finals being in mississauga and not toronto? It's part of the GTA ( greater toronto area ) much like how brooklyn or bronx are still considered "New York" People need to find something constructive to bitch about. Like if your going to bitch for the sake of bitching, bitch about the economy or something that ACTUALLY matters.
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