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On June 30 2012 03:16 Rabbitmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:13 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 03:10 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:35 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:29 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:22 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:19 Elldar wrote:
So, you had to have QXC to say what Avilo was "trying" to say because he had made poor arguments and silly examples (which was so funny that they made JP laugh), when he started to derail everything from a debate he got cut off, what a surprise. How did avilo derail the debate? I agree his arguments weren't that solid, but i think the people telling him to "shut the fuck up" are the ones derailing the debate. No, people telling him shut the fuck up were just stating the fact. Avilo was like a student that decided to teach his teacher. It was irritating and stupid. He was clearly on the show for drama only and that is what we got. Only people complaining in here are either Avilo fanboys (good thing they didn't do this to Destiny :D) or the most hardcore whiners that moved over the that Terran whine topic that was closed recently. I had never even heard of Avilo before this show. And telling a person to shut the fuck up in a debate, no matter how bad one party is doing, is both bad mannered and immature. Also i play protoss, not terran. I have a problem with this kind of behaviour, nothing else. If you look at it as a debate from equals then that is true. And if Idra said to QXC at any point to shut the fuck up I would also be here holding a pitchfork or a torch but to Avilo?! Did you listen to him at all? As I said, it was like when a teacher who obviously knows much more then you tries to teach you something and you start acting like he knows shit and you should teach him what did you expect?! Has never in your schooling years a teacher told one of his students to Shut up? Well idra isn't his teacher, nor is a top player. And i actually do consider all human beings to be equal. Strange thought, i know. IdrA IS a top player. Especially if you compare him to Avilo. The difference in not only but skill but also (and most importantly) experience is huge. If an amateur tries to argue with an expert, it's going to be a waste of everyone's time (except for novelty/entertainment value, which is the reason he was brought on in the first place). Well since ive never seen Avilo play i will agree that Idra is most likely alot better than him. But calling Idra a "top" player, is very very far from the truth. Sure, he was a top foreigner in BW, if not THE top foreigner. But not in sc2 mate.
He is top 5 zerg outside of korea for sure. And while it's true that he has been slumping recently, his achievements from last year shouldn't be forgotten. Just the fact that he has even played in the GSL puts him leagues ahead of most people. I mean, I guess we could squabble about the definition of "top player", and depending on how you define it, either one of us could be right about this. But I just think that looking at an MLG champion, IEM champion, GSL round 8 player etc. versus Avilo who hasn't really achieved anything, it should be pretty clear who is better qualified to debate about balance and whatnot.
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On June 30 2012 03:01 R3DT1D3 wrote:
Watching the vod again this is pretty much how it breaks down from an objective perspective:
1) Avilo comes on and immediately tries to call Geoff out and Geoff tries to keep him on track with the TvZ debate. Avilo was trying to use this platform to try and get back at Geoff which is already starting off the wrong way. Whether you agree with Avilo or not, this is not the time to try and argue with Geoff.
2) Avilo and Idra start putting their arguments forth and it's going fairly smoothly.
3) During Idra's first response, Avilo interrupts him without letting him finish and then acts all snide about Luckyfool's blog and how they haven't read it.
4) More arguments are traded more or less with QXC stepping in to clarify a few points.
5) Idra makes the argument about Terran needing to be greedy enough that they have the economy to put down make the tech switch to keep up with zerg and again Avilo clearly interrupts. Avilo gets told to STFU and then he tries to jump back in. This is the 2nd time he's interrupted and he keeps pushing after Idra is clearly being irritated at his interruptions.
6) Avilo tries to twist Idra's words and say that Idra agrees with him when it's obvious that he does not. Idra gets tired of this, calls him out for being bad, and then finishes his point.
7) Avilo jumps back in pretending he's offended that Idra took "cheap shots" at him (while he was intentionally misconstruing Idra's arguments and has interrupted him multiple times) and tries to propose that his argument is what Idra said.
8) Idra tells him that isn't what he said and says he's done discussing this with Avilo.
9) JP cuts Avilo off as Avilo tries to reiterate what he thinks Idra said.
If Avilo wanted to be respected and heard out, he went about it in the wrong way. He knows how Idra is and he was riling him up on purpose. JP cut him off when he realized this wasn't going to go anywhere. That's all there is to this.
LOL please refer to the dictionary definition of objective, bud. That post was about as opinionated against avilo as it could possibly have been. Using the term "calling put" to describe idra's personal attack on avilo just takes the cake. You just interpreted a personal insult as an observation of truth LOL. I trust you're intelligent enough to know why that isn't objective.
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On June 30 2012 03:16 BlitzerSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:09 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:07 BlitzerSC wrote:
To be honest I feel that JP should have cut off IdrA instead of Avilo. I mean... saying those kinds of things in front of 10k people is not good at all, it pretty much ruined the show for me. I don't give a shit about " Idra being Idra " , that guys shouldn't get away with things like that. I also love how biased some people are.
For example, if Nani would have said the same thing we would have a topic about it FULL of people talking trash on him, but with IdrA it doesn't happens. Go figure ^^
<3 SC2 community, always coherent. did you even watch the episode seems like you missed so much... Uhm, yes ? The only difference between me and you is that i see things from an objective point of view since i dislike both of them. The thing I saw was that IdrA got interrupted once and then he started talking about how bad Avilo is, that he should STFU ecc. OH RIGHT, if you pay attention there were people LAUGHING in the background (except QXC which seems the only civil guy in there). That's not what i call RESPECT. You don't call a guy just to make fun of the way he talks or about his opinions. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SAY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMEONE WITHOUT DROPPING THE F-BOMB OR HUMILATING HIM IN FRONT OF 10K PEOPLE. Childs, that's what the sotg people are ( except a few ), and i'm done now since most of the people here are so blind that support everything pro players do. I have my opinions, you have yours. Probably neither me or you will change that. Peace. edit: stop saying that IdrA is a top player. Truth is that he is at the same level as Avilo. They both didn't win anything
Look at his list of achievements and then tell me he hasn't won anything. Then, just for shits and giggles, have a look at Avilo's list of achievements. Compare them.
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On June 30 2012 03:22 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:16 BlitzerSC wrote:On June 30 2012 03:09 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:07 BlitzerSC wrote:
To be honest I feel that JP should have cut off IdrA instead of Avilo. I mean... saying those kinds of things in front of 10k people is not good at all, it pretty much ruined the show for me. I don't give a shit about " Idra being Idra " , that guys shouldn't get away with things like that. I also love how biased some people are.
For example, if Nani would have said the same thing we would have a topic about it FULL of people talking trash on him, but with IdrA it doesn't happens. Go figure ^^
<3 SC2 community, always coherent. did you even watch the episode seems like you missed so much... Uhm, yes ? The only difference between me and you is that i see things from an objective point of view since i dislike both of them. The thing I saw was that IdrA got interrupted once and then he started talking about how bad Avilo is, that he should STFU ecc. OH RIGHT, if you pay attention there were people LAUGHING in the background (except QXC which seems the only civil guy in there). That's not what i call RESPECT. You don't call a guy just to make fun of the way he talks or about his opinions. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SAY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMEONE WITHOUT DROPPING THE F-BOMB OR HUMILATING HIM IN FRONT OF 10K PEOPLE. Childs, that's what the sotg people are ( except a few ), and i'm done now since most of the people here are so blind that support everything pro players do. I have my opinions, you have yours. Probably neither me or you will change that. Peace. well sir goodbye you will not be missed. It sure doesn't seem like you see thing from an objective point of view you see all the things you belive to be rude by the sotg people but you dont see all the stuff Avilo did like stiring the pot when he first gets on, constantly interrupting and twisting idras words around, our how a about the 8 days of bullshit trash talk previous to the episode? seriously people like you right now nneed to calm down take a step back and relax stop bring drama up when there is none.
Avilo stirred the pot? since when is asking incontrol why he is being mean to him "stirring the pot". the entire show has been constantly berating hm before he even was called, in a span of multiple episodes.
The interruption goes both ways, idra AND incontrols constantly interrupts him as well. Try watching the VOD again without EG fanboy goggle and hopefully you can derive a fair assessment of the situation
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On June 30 2012 03:16 Rabbitmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:13 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 03:10 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:35 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:29 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:22 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:19 Elldar wrote:
So, you had to have QXC to say what Avilo was "trying" to say because he had made poor arguments and silly examples (which was so funny that they made JP laugh), when he started to derail everything from a debate he got cut off, what a surprise. How did avilo derail the debate? I agree his arguments weren't that solid, but i think the people telling him to "shut the fuck up" are the ones derailing the debate. No, people telling him shut the fuck up were just stating the fact. Avilo was like a student that decided to teach his teacher. It was irritating and stupid. He was clearly on the show for drama only and that is what we got. Only people complaining in here are either Avilo fanboys (good thing they didn't do this to Destiny :D) or the most hardcore whiners that moved over the that Terran whine topic that was closed recently. I had never even heard of Avilo before this show. And telling a person to shut the fuck up in a debate, no matter how bad one party is doing, is both bad mannered and immature. Also i play protoss, not terran. I have a problem with this kind of behaviour, nothing else. If you look at it as a debate from equals then that is true. And if Idra said to QXC at any point to shut the fuck up I would also be here holding a pitchfork or a torch but to Avilo?! Did you listen to him at all? As I said, it was like when a teacher who obviously knows much more then you tries to teach you something and you start acting like he knows shit and you should teach him what did you expect?! Has never in your schooling years a teacher told one of his students to Shut up? Well idra isn't his teacher, nor is a top player. And i actually do consider all human beings to be equal. Strange thought, i know. IdrA IS a top player. Especially if you compare him to Avilo. The difference in not only but skill but also (and most importantly) experience is huge. If an amateur tries to argue with an expert, it's going to be a waste of everyone's time (except for novelty/entertainment value, which is the reason he was brought on in the first place). Well since ive never seen Avilo play i will agree that Idra is most likely alot better than him. But calling Idra a "top" player, is very very far from the truth. Sure, he was a top foreigner in BW, if not THE top foreigner. But not in sc2 mate.
im not an idra fan but id still consider him a top player hes had some great runs and great victories in sc2 and this is a nice little recap of those + Show Spoiler +
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On June 30 2012 02:58 Dosey wrote:
Can't say I'm surprised to see Shiori STILL here pressing F5 14 hours later continuing his smear campaign against the EG players. Give it a rest you lifeless troll, seriously. You have over 50 posts in this thread since lastnight and are still at it. We get it, you don't like EG and JP. There are only so many different ways you can say that before it gets rather annoying and redundant.
I've spent probably a grand total of half hour typing posts in this thread. It takes me less than a minute to type out a few words. For the record, I actually really like JP. Can't say EG is one of my favourite teams, but I've been pretty clear about that from the outset. Although, I've said here and in other places that Incontrol was beginning to win me over because of his humour on SotG and elsewhere.
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On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote:
JP cut him off without letting him finish? Oh the horror! -- He was at that time incoherently babbling over IdrA about how he "agreed with greg" and kept twisting what greg was saying around as if it was a point in favor of terran. The argument was neither entertaining nor was it informative.. it was a guy hopping on the show after starting a shit storm the week before, first thing he asks about is me teasing him or taking "pot shots" and then he goes on to interrupt idra
I had the thought of posting the Actual Interruption Scorecard in response to every single person saying that avilo interrupted IdrA without acknowledging that it started with you guys interrupting him. That would have added an entire page to this thread however so I am glad I saved it for here.
take his words and twist them
You took debate right? You have never seen this before?
and speak over everyone else.. greg lost his cool and JP controlled that shit. Should he have barked over Avilo "thanks for coming on" and then hung up on him?
Oh wow. You know we have the whole thing on video, right? IdrA said he was done, there was silence, avilo started to continue his point, JP hung up on him in mid-sentence. As a fellow English major, I'm confident your choice of the verb "barked" is deliberate. I didn't take debate but I know something about false dilemmas. Try this one out: "Should JP have interrupted avilo and thanked him for being on the show but saying the discussion couldn't continue?"
I hope you get to read this before the TL mods ban you for the personal attacks against avilo and various unnamed TL members.
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On June 30 2012 03:26 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:16 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 30 2012 03:13 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 03:10 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:35 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:29 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:22 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:19 Elldar wrote:
So, you had to have QXC to say what Avilo was "trying" to say because he had made poor arguments and silly examples (which was so funny that they made JP laugh), when he started to derail everything from a debate he got cut off, what a surprise. How did avilo derail the debate? I agree his arguments weren't that solid, but i think the people telling him to "shut the fuck up" are the ones derailing the debate. No, people telling him shut the fuck up were just stating the fact. Avilo was like a student that decided to teach his teacher. It was irritating and stupid. He was clearly on the show for drama only and that is what we got. Only people complaining in here are either Avilo fanboys (good thing they didn't do this to Destiny :D) or the most hardcore whiners that moved over the that Terran whine topic that was closed recently. I had never even heard of Avilo before this show. And telling a person to shut the fuck up in a debate, no matter how bad one party is doing, is both bad mannered and immature. Also i play protoss, not terran. I have a problem with this kind of behaviour, nothing else. If you look at it as a debate from equals then that is true. And if Idra said to QXC at any point to shut the fuck up I would also be here holding a pitchfork or a torch but to Avilo?! Did you listen to him at all? As I said, it was like when a teacher who obviously knows much more then you tries to teach you something and you start acting like he knows shit and you should teach him what did you expect?! Has never in your schooling years a teacher told one of his students to Shut up? Well idra isn't his teacher, nor is a top player. And i actually do consider all human beings to be equal. Strange thought, i know. IdrA IS a top player. Especially if you compare him to Avilo. The difference in not only but skill but also (and most importantly) experience is huge. If an amateur tries to argue with an expert, it's going to be a waste of everyone's time (except for novelty/entertainment value, which is the reason he was brought on in the first place). Well since ive never seen Avilo play i will agree that Idra is most likely alot better than him. But calling Idra a "top" player, is very very far from the truth. Sure, he was a top foreigner in BW, if not THE top foreigner. But not in sc2 mate. im not an idra fan but id still consider him a top player hes had some great runs and great victories in sc2 and this is a nice little recap of those + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgeEXZENOh4&feature=player_embedded
He's not really a top player anymore. He's fallen quite a bit. Still a pro, still good, but I don't think you can classify him as a top player with his current ability.
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On June 30 2012 03:26 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:22 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:16 BlitzerSC wrote:On June 30 2012 03:09 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:07 BlitzerSC wrote:
To be honest I feel that JP should have cut off IdrA instead of Avilo. I mean... saying those kinds of things in front of 10k people is not good at all, it pretty much ruined the show for me. I don't give a shit about " Idra being Idra " , that guys shouldn't get away with things like that. I also love how biased some people are.
For example, if Nani would have said the same thing we would have a topic about it FULL of people talking trash on him, but with IdrA it doesn't happens. Go figure ^^
<3 SC2 community, always coherent. did you even watch the episode seems like you missed so much... Uhm, yes ? The only difference between me and you is that i see things from an objective point of view since i dislike both of them. The thing I saw was that IdrA got interrupted once and then he started talking about how bad Avilo is, that he should STFU ecc. OH RIGHT, if you pay attention there were people LAUGHING in the background (except QXC which seems the only civil guy in there). That's not what i call RESPECT. You don't call a guy just to make fun of the way he talks or about his opinions. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SAY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMEONE WITHOUT DROPPING THE F-BOMB OR HUMILATING HIM IN FRONT OF 10K PEOPLE. Childs, that's what the sotg people are ( except a few ), and i'm done now since most of the people here are so blind that support everything pro players do. I have my opinions, you have yours. Probably neither me or you will change that. Peace. well sir goodbye you will not be missed. It sure doesn't seem like you see thing from an objective point of view you see all the things you belive to be rude by the sotg people but you dont see all the stuff Avilo did like stiring the pot when he first gets on, constantly interrupting and twisting idras words around, our how a about the 8 days of bullshit trash talk previous to the episode? seriously people like you right now nneed to calm down take a step back and relax stop bring drama up when there is none. Avilo stirred the pot? since when is asking incontrol why he is being mean to him "stirring the pot". the entire show has been constantly berating hm before he even was called, in a span of multiple episodes. The interruption goes both ways, idra AND incontrols constantly interrupts him as well. Try watching the VOD again without EG fanboy goggle and hopefully you can derive a fair assessment of the situation
i did watch it without a eg fanboy goggle trust me I hate EG except for Huk and thats how I see as well as most others
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On June 30 2012 03:26 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:16 BlitzerSC wrote:On June 30 2012 03:09 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:07 BlitzerSC wrote:
To be honest I feel that JP should have cut off IdrA instead of Avilo. I mean... saying those kinds of things in front of 10k people is not good at all, it pretty much ruined the show for me. I don't give a shit about " Idra being Idra " , that guys shouldn't get away with things like that. I also love how biased some people are.
For example, if Nani would have said the same thing we would have a topic about it FULL of people talking trash on him, but with IdrA it doesn't happens. Go figure ^^
<3 SC2 community, always coherent. did you even watch the episode seems like you missed so much... Uhm, yes ? The only difference between me and you is that i see things from an objective point of view since i dislike both of them. The thing I saw was that IdrA got interrupted once and then he started talking about how bad Avilo is, that he should STFU ecc. OH RIGHT, if you pay attention there were people LAUGHING in the background (except QXC which seems the only civil guy in there). That's not what i call RESPECT. You don't call a guy just to make fun of the way he talks or about his opinions. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SAY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMEONE WITHOUT DROPPING THE F-BOMB OR HUMILATING HIM IN FRONT OF 10K PEOPLE. Childs, that's what the sotg people are ( except a few ), and i'm done now since most of the people here are so blind that support everything pro players do. I have my opinions, you have yours. Probably neither me or you will change that. Peace. edit: stop saying that IdrA is a top player. Truth is that he is at the same level as Avilo. They both didn't win anything Look at his list of achievements and then tell me he hasn't won anything. Then, just for shits and giggles, have a look at Avilo's list of achievements. Compare them.
MVP would probably consider both of them the same. Hell, most pros in code S or even A will probably consider idra and avilo similar in achievements. Fact is Idra has fallen off the map and has done nothing recently to prove himself. He can't even beat top NA/european pros, let alone koreans
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On June 30 2012 03:28 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:26 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 03:22 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:16 BlitzerSC wrote:On June 30 2012 03:09 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:07 BlitzerSC wrote:
To be honest I feel that JP should have cut off IdrA instead of Avilo. I mean... saying those kinds of things in front of 10k people is not good at all, it pretty much ruined the show for me. I don't give a shit about " Idra being Idra " , that guys shouldn't get away with things like that. I also love how biased some people are.
For example, if Nani would have said the same thing we would have a topic about it FULL of people talking trash on him, but with IdrA it doesn't happens. Go figure ^^
<3 SC2 community, always coherent. did you even watch the episode seems like you missed so much... Uhm, yes ? The only difference between me and you is that i see things from an objective point of view since i dislike both of them. The thing I saw was that IdrA got interrupted once and then he started talking about how bad Avilo is, that he should STFU ecc. OH RIGHT, if you pay attention there were people LAUGHING in the background (except QXC which seems the only civil guy in there). That's not what i call RESPECT. You don't call a guy just to make fun of the way he talks or about his opinions. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SAY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMEONE WITHOUT DROPPING THE F-BOMB OR HUMILATING HIM IN FRONT OF 10K PEOPLE. Childs, that's what the sotg people are ( except a few ), and i'm done now since most of the people here are so blind that support everything pro players do. I have my opinions, you have yours. Probably neither me or you will change that. Peace. well sir goodbye you will not be missed. It sure doesn't seem like you see thing from an objective point of view you see all the things you belive to be rude by the sotg people but you dont see all the stuff Avilo did like stiring the pot when he first gets on, constantly interrupting and twisting idras words around, our how a about the 8 days of bullshit trash talk previous to the episode? seriously people like you right now nneed to calm down take a step back and relax stop bring drama up when there is none. Avilo stirred the pot? since when is asking incontrol why he is being mean to him "stirring the pot". the entire show has been constantly berating hm before he even was called, in a span of multiple episodes. The interruption goes both ways, idra AND incontrols constantly interrupts him as well. Try watching the VOD again without EG fanboy goggle and hopefully you can derive a fair assessment of the situation i did watch it without a eg fanboy goggle trust me I hate EG except for Huk and thats how I see as well as most others
your opinion != most of others, but if you insist.
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On June 30 2012 03:28 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:26 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:16 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 30 2012 03:13 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 03:10 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:35 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:29 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:22 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:19 Elldar wrote:
So, you had to have QXC to say what Avilo was "trying" to say because he had made poor arguments and silly examples (which was so funny that they made JP laugh), when he started to derail everything from a debate he got cut off, what a surprise. How did avilo derail the debate? I agree his arguments weren't that solid, but i think the people telling him to "shut the fuck up" are the ones derailing the debate. No, people telling him shut the fuck up were just stating the fact. Avilo was like a student that decided to teach his teacher. It was irritating and stupid. He was clearly on the show for drama only and that is what we got. Only people complaining in here are either Avilo fanboys (good thing they didn't do this to Destiny :D) or the most hardcore whiners that moved over the that Terran whine topic that was closed recently. I had never even heard of Avilo before this show. And telling a person to shut the fuck up in a debate, no matter how bad one party is doing, is both bad mannered and immature. Also i play protoss, not terran. I have a problem with this kind of behaviour, nothing else. If you look at it as a debate from equals then that is true. And if Idra said to QXC at any point to shut the fuck up I would also be here holding a pitchfork or a torch but to Avilo?! Did you listen to him at all? As I said, it was like when a teacher who obviously knows much more then you tries to teach you something and you start acting like he knows shit and you should teach him what did you expect?! Has never in your schooling years a teacher told one of his students to Shut up? Well idra isn't his teacher, nor is a top player. And i actually do consider all human beings to be equal. Strange thought, i know. IdrA IS a top player. Especially if you compare him to Avilo. The difference in not only but skill but also (and most importantly) experience is huge. If an amateur tries to argue with an expert, it's going to be a waste of everyone's time (except for novelty/entertainment value, which is the reason he was brought on in the first place). Well since ive never seen Avilo play i will agree that Idra is most likely alot better than him. But calling Idra a "top" player, is very very far from the truth. Sure, he was a top foreigner in BW, if not THE top foreigner. But not in sc2 mate. im not an idra fan but id still consider him a top player hes had some great runs and great victories in sc2 and this is a nice little recap of those + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgeEXZENOh4&feature=player_embedded He's not really a top player anymore. He's fallen quite a bit. Still a pro, still good, but I don't think you can classify him as a top player with his current ability.
maybe not right atm but I think you can still says hes beeen a top player in sc2 he was saying he was only a top player in BW
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Wait, wait, people are grabbing pitchforks over that avilo interview? You guys fucking suck, that was NOTHING. The fuck is wrong with this community?
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On June 30 2012 03:28 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:26 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 03:16 BlitzerSC wrote:On June 30 2012 03:09 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:07 BlitzerSC wrote:
To be honest I feel that JP should have cut off IdrA instead of Avilo. I mean... saying those kinds of things in front of 10k people is not good at all, it pretty much ruined the show for me. I don't give a shit about " Idra being Idra " , that guys shouldn't get away with things like that. I also love how biased some people are.
For example, if Nani would have said the same thing we would have a topic about it FULL of people talking trash on him, but with IdrA it doesn't happens. Go figure ^^
<3 SC2 community, always coherent. did you even watch the episode seems like you missed so much... Uhm, yes ? The only difference between me and you is that i see things from an objective point of view since i dislike both of them. The thing I saw was that IdrA got interrupted once and then he started talking about how bad Avilo is, that he should STFU ecc. OH RIGHT, if you pay attention there were people LAUGHING in the background (except QXC which seems the only civil guy in there). That's not what i call RESPECT. You don't call a guy just to make fun of the way he talks or about his opinions. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SAY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMEONE WITHOUT DROPPING THE F-BOMB OR HUMILATING HIM IN FRONT OF 10K PEOPLE. Childs, that's what the sotg people are ( except a few ), and i'm done now since most of the people here are so blind that support everything pro players do. I have my opinions, you have yours. Probably neither me or you will change that. Peace. edit: stop saying that IdrA is a top player. Truth is that he is at the same level as Avilo. They both didn't win anything Look at his list of achievements and then tell me he hasn't won anything. Then, just for shits and giggles, have a look at Avilo's list of achievements. Compare them. MVP would probably consider both of them the same. Hell, most pros in code S or even A will probably consider idra and avilo similar in achievements. Fact is Idra has fallen off the map and has done nothing recently to prove himself. He can't even beat top NA/european pros, let alone koreans
That's simply not true.
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On June 30 2012 03:29 crms wrote:
Wait, wait, people are grabbing pitchforks over that avilo interview? You guys fucking suck, that was NOTHING. The fuck is wrong with this community?
Yea I'm questioning why I'm still reading this thread just to be shocked at what big whiney babies people are being over this. I guess on a certain level it's fascinating that there are actually people upset about it.
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On June 30 2012 03:29 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:28 Femari wrote:On June 30 2012 03:26 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:16 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 30 2012 03:13 MichaelDonovan wrote:On June 30 2012 03:10 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:35 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:29 Rabbitmaster wrote:On June 29 2012 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:On June 29 2012 22:22 Rabbitmaster wrote:
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How did avilo derail the debate? I agree his arguments weren't that solid, but i think the people telling him to "shut the fuck up" are the ones derailing the debate.
No, people telling him shut the fuck up were just stating the fact. Avilo was like a student that decided to teach his teacher. It was irritating and stupid. He was clearly on the show for drama only and that is what we got. Only people complaining in here are either Avilo fanboys (good thing they didn't do this to Destiny :D) or the most hardcore whiners that moved over the that Terran whine topic that was closed recently. I had never even heard of Avilo before this show. And telling a person to shut the fuck up in a debate, no matter how bad one party is doing, is both bad mannered and immature. Also i play protoss, not terran. I have a problem with this kind of behaviour, nothing else. If you look at it as a debate from equals then that is true. And if Idra said to QXC at any point to shut the fuck up I would also be here holding a pitchfork or a torch but to Avilo?! Did you listen to him at all? As I said, it was like when a teacher who obviously knows much more then you tries to teach you something and you start acting like he knows shit and you should teach him what did you expect?! Has never in your schooling years a teacher told one of his students to Shut up? Well idra isn't his teacher, nor is a top player. And i actually do consider all human beings to be equal. Strange thought, i know. IdrA IS a top player. Especially if you compare him to Avilo. The difference in not only but skill but also (and most importantly) experience is huge. If an amateur tries to argue with an expert, it's going to be a waste of everyone's time (except for novelty/entertainment value, which is the reason he was brought on in the first place). Well since ive never seen Avilo play i will agree that Idra is most likely alot better than him. But calling Idra a "top" player, is very very far from the truth. Sure, he was a top foreigner in BW, if not THE top foreigner. But not in sc2 mate. im not an idra fan but id still consider him a top player hes had some great runs and great victories in sc2 and this is a nice little recap of those + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgeEXZENOh4&feature=player_embedded He's not really a top player anymore. He's fallen quite a bit. Still a pro, still good, but I don't think you can classify him as a top player with his current ability. maybe not right atm but I think you can still says hes beeen a top player in sc2 he was saying he was only a top player in BW
I think he meant he wasn't a top pro now but yeah IdrA has obviously been a top pro in SC2.
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On June 30 2012 03:29 crms wrote:
Wait, wait, people are grabbing pitchforks over that avilo interview? You guys fucking suck, that was NOTHING. The fuck is wrong with this community?
how was it nothing. In what professional shows have you ever heard of where they invite someone to talk down to him then follows by kicking him off the show? Do you have any regards to professionalism?
Incontrol and JP laughing constantly in the background while avilo talk is already unacceptable in itself. I don't care what sorry excuses they gave for that part, you should pay attention to your guest when they talk
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On June 30 2012 03:29 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:28 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:26 iky43210 wrote:On June 30 2012 03:22 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:16 BlitzerSC wrote:On June 30 2012 03:09 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On June 30 2012 03:07 BlitzerSC wrote:
To be honest I feel that JP should have cut off IdrA instead of Avilo. I mean... saying those kinds of things in front of 10k people is not good at all, it pretty much ruined the show for me. I don't give a shit about " Idra being Idra " , that guys shouldn't get away with things like that. I also love how biased some people are.
For example, if Nani would have said the same thing we would have a topic about it FULL of people talking trash on him, but with IdrA it doesn't happens. Go figure ^^
<3 SC2 community, always coherent. did you even watch the episode seems like you missed so much... Uhm, yes ? The only difference between me and you is that i see things from an objective point of view since i dislike both of them. The thing I saw was that IdrA got interrupted once and then he started talking about how bad Avilo is, that he should STFU ecc. OH RIGHT, if you pay attention there were people LAUGHING in the background (except QXC which seems the only civil guy in there). That's not what i call RESPECT. You don't call a guy just to make fun of the way he talks or about his opinions. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SAY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMEONE WITHOUT DROPPING THE F-BOMB OR HUMILATING HIM IN FRONT OF 10K PEOPLE. Childs, that's what the sotg people are ( except a few ), and i'm done now since most of the people here are so blind that support everything pro players do. I have my opinions, you have yours. Probably neither me or you will change that. Peace. well sir goodbye you will not be missed. It sure doesn't seem like you see thing from an objective point of view you see all the things you belive to be rude by the sotg people but you dont see all the stuff Avilo did like stiring the pot when he first gets on, constantly interrupting and twisting idras words around, our how a about the 8 days of bullshit trash talk previous to the episode? seriously people like you right now nneed to calm down take a step back and relax stop bring drama up when there is none. Avilo stirred the pot? since when is asking incontrol why he is being mean to him "stirring the pot". the entire show has been constantly berating hm before he even was called, in a span of multiple episodes. The interruption goes both ways, idra AND incontrols constantly interrupts him as well. Try watching the VOD again without EG fanboy goggle and hopefully you can derive a fair assessment of the situation i did watch it without a eg fanboy goggle trust me I hate EG except for Huk and thats how I see as well as most others your opinion != most of others, but if you insist.
my opinion is the silent majority people getting worked up for nothing stop making drama id say thats true
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On June 30 2012 03:31 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:29 crms wrote:
Wait, wait, people are grabbing pitchforks over that avilo interview? You guys fucking suck, that was NOTHING. The fuck is wrong with this community? how was it nothing. In what professional shows have you ever heard of where they invite someone to talk down to him then follows by kicking him off the show? Do you have any regards to professionalism?
I never considered SotG a professional show and neither should you
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On June 30 2012 03:22 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:20 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2012 03:17 Femari wrote:On June 30 2012 02:46 Bommes wrote:On June 30 2012 02:42 Femari wrote:On June 30 2012 02:39 Bommes wrote:
Can't believe people are calling this bullying, thats just mean towards children who are really bullied and no one is helping them.
Avilo is an adult human being and they had a discussion over the INTERNET. Saying that it is bullying is just attention whoring and some people drooling because they can't wait to get their pitchforks out again. The law would entirely disagree with you. Well, have fun finding a lawyer who agrees that Avilo got bullied. I'm no lawyer or anything, but hanging up on someone on a phone is none of my known definitions on bullying. You could find one easily. I mean he shouldn't press charges or anything but a lot of lawyers would agree that it's bullying. Also I'm not talking about him being booted. I'm talking about the constant insults and put downs. That is considered bullying. Always has been. I don't think that point matters cause I'm sure Avilo can handle himself but that is still bullying by definition. To bad bullying isn't illegal, as I stated before. Harrassment, assult and stalkering are. Having your feelings hurt on a talk show you willing went on to, not so much. Really, hurting someones feelings is never illegal. It is when you don't give them the option to walk away or escape having their feelings hurt that crime starts to happen. Actually bullying is harassment so lol. Also there are literally cyber-bullying laws. So again, lol.
Yes, I fully understand, I work in the legal field. The cyber-bullying laws only further defines what is considered harassment, it does not make a new crime titled "bullying". Also, nothing that happened on the show would mean any of the prongs that are nessary to bring charges for harassment.
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