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On January 13 2012 05:20 chisake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 05:13 iNcontroL wrote:
nobody is making the argument the show would fail without sponsorship.
Money makes it more justifiable for us the hosts and it allows us to improve the quality of the show if we were to raise the production via tech or perks etc...
Again, the show will be here whether we are sponsored or not. You will get the show for free if you choose, no matter what. If you want to support us you can. If we can find someone to support us as well that too should be fine. This stupid notion that everyone should work or do things for free needs to stop. We aren't putting a gun to anyone's head. Absolutely! The whole thing is opt-in, what is problem?! They are leaving you with the choice. If they forced you to charge it would still be justifiable, but they aren't b/c they don't want to alienate anyone. I guess you really can't make everyone happy...
i dont think a single person has said they have a problem with the business model proposed by jp? we are just disussing the whys and hows and whatnot.
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I'm sure all of the guys on SOTG wouldn't mind making some money doing the show. Why wouldn't they? Their time is clearly worth money, so if they can pull in some cash while providing an entertaining show more power to them.
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If you make horse-themed shirts, I will buy them.
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On January 13 2012 05:13 iNcontroL wrote:
nobody is making the argument the show would fail without sponsorship.
Money makes it more justifiable for us the hosts and it allows us to improve the quality of the show if we were to raise the production via tech or perks etc...
Again, the show will be here whether we are sponsored or not. You will get the show for free if you choose, no matter what. If you want to support us you can. If we can find someone to support us as well that too should be fine. This stupid notion that everyone should work or do things for free needs to stop. We aren't putting a gun to anyone's head.
Well, the "quality of the show" is always gonna be subjective. I personally found I enjoyed the old pre-webcam shows a whole lot more than the last few months of 2012 (drunk episode not included) It was mostly a bunch of funny guys talking about starcraft and everything else as well.
It seems now you wanna move more towards a TV/News-show type of thing with heavier production and "scripted" or at least pre-planned content. Of course that could work as well, and there might be room for that in SC2 as well, but I don't think you should be completely rethinking the core of the show. Especially not considering how popular it's been. You know, the whole "don't change a winning team" yadda yadda.
The audience you have had so far, has tuned in because they like what you were doing. Please don't change too much 
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Seriously I think you guys should charge 10 cents per viewer per episode. If you think about it, you get 5000 viewers, that's $500. I honestly don't care about what you do with the money. It's only 10 cents for me, and no matter what you talk about, it's not something I'd ask a refund about.
I hate this notion that the work and effort people do should be considered a "service to the community" and that it should be free. The mentality that there are things in life that should be free is a joke. Everything has a cost, and it is downright selfish to think that others should absorb it.
These guys are dedicating 2 hours (more for JP) to entertain you and let you into their thought processes, time that could be easily spent doing other things. And obviously there are people who care about what they have to say, otherwise they wouldn't watch the show. 10 cents is a very minimal amount to pay to be entertained.
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On January 13 2012 06:04 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 05:13 iNcontroL wrote:
nobody is making the argument the show would fail without sponsorship.
Money makes it more justifiable for us the hosts and it allows us to improve the quality of the show if we were to raise the production via tech or perks etc...
Again, the show will be here whether we are sponsored or not. You will get the show for free if you choose, no matter what. If you want to support us you can. If we can find someone to support us as well that too should be fine. This stupid notion that everyone should work or do things for free needs to stop. We aren't putting a gun to anyone's head. Well, the "quality of the show" is always gonna be subjective. I personally found I enjoyed the old pre-webcam shows a whole lot more than the last few months of 2012 (drunk episode not included) It was mostly a bunch of funny guys talking about starcraft and everything else as well. It seems now you wanna move more towards a TV/News-show type of thing with heavier production and "scripted" or at least pre-planned content. Of course that could work as well, and there might be room for that in SC2 as well, but I don't think you should be completely rethinking the core of the show. Especially not considering how popular it's been. You know, the whole "don't change a winning team" yadda yadda. The audience you have had so far, has tuned in because they like what you were doing. Please don't change too much
Agreed. If you make it too "formal" like many of the other shows, I think people would lose interest.
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lets keep encouraging people to charge money for something that is currently free
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On January 13 2012 05:54 joe_ wrote:
I'm sure all of the guys on SOTG wouldn't mind making some money doing the show. Why wouldn't they? Their time is clearly worth money, so if they can pull in some cash while providing an entertaining show more power to them.
I might be wrong but doesn't the viewer count bring in revenue for the Show and its participants already.
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I will probably fork out for a subscriber thing, I feel the sc2 community, although loyal, are often loath to pay for something, and often undervalue the work the people in the scene actually do.
overall, will support sotg no matter what, love the new time slot, keep being awesome
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On January 13 2012 06:17 Let it Raine wrote:
lets keep encouraging people to charge money for something that is currently free
lets keep on encouraging people to do work for no profit.
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On January 13 2012 06:17 Let it Raine wrote:
lets keep encouraging people to charge money for something that is currently free
i know right it's almost like it wont still be free for you after oh wait......... cant wait for Thursday guys!!!!!
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Won't an earlier timeslot affect Artosis? Will be quite early for him right?
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I have to chime in on this, and please forgive me if it seems ignorant.
It has been said recently, based upon some polls and stats that SC2 is able to target a very specific demographic of 25-35ish males. Most of this demographic are older and more mature, probably have a job/career (myself included) and are capable of making investments and spending money where it seems like its worth spending money.
Personally I love watching SotG live. I do listen to the mp3 if I miss it, but I tune in live whenever I can. I'm not going to make a big argument about the difference, except just to say that I like watching it live as much as some likes watching a football or basketball game as opposed to a re-run.
However, moving the SotG start time to 7pm EST, which would be 4pm PST, locks out a very specific audience, such as people who work full-time until 5pm or 6pm. This demographic range on the West Coast would no longer be able to enjoy the live entertainment and might potentially lose out on some viewers that have financial means to help SotG/SC2, especially if SotG is interested in sponsors. Therefore I have to wonder if this move in time is correct, because as far as the European time zone is concerned, most people who work regular 8-5 jobs probably couldn't tune into the live show then (sorry for generalization), and with the time change now, probably doesn't make too big of an impact for those people.
I'm in no way saying that this is a bad move, and JP and the other hosts might have already took this into consideration and probably has legitimate reasons for doing so that I haven't thought of. Or they're gaining their target audience as intended and can find a good sponsor, awesome! But I think it deserved a mention. In any case, I'll have to move onto listening to the mp3's now T____T but I still love the show! <3
P.S. sorry for any clunkiness or typos, did this on my iPhone
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YES! Excellent decision to remain independent from MLG. Thank you JP.
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On January 13 2012 06:37 kethers wrote:
I have to chime in on this, and please forgive me if it seems ignorant.
It has been said recently, based upon some polls and stats that SC2 is able to target a very specific demographic of 25-35ish males. Most of this demographic are older and more mature, probably have a job/career (myself included) and are capable of making investments and spending money where it seems like its worth spending money.
Personally I love watching SotG live. I do listen to the mp3 if I miss it, but I tune in live whenever I can. I'm not going to make a big argument about the difference, except just to say that I like watching it live as much as some likes watching a football or basketball game as opposed to a re-run.
However, moving the SotG start time to 7pm EST, which would be 4pm PST, locks out a very specific audience, such as people who work full-time until 5pm or 6pm. This demographic range on the West Coast would no longer be able to enjoy the live entertainment and might potentially lose out on some viewers that have financial means to help SotG/SC2, especially if SotG is interested in sponsors. Therefore I have to wonder if this move in time is correct, because as far as the European time zone is concerned, most people who work regular 8-5 jobs probably couldn't tune into the live show then (sorry for generalization), and with the time change now, probably doesn't make too big of an impact for those people.
I'm in no way saying that this is a bad move, and JP and the other hosts might have already took this into consideration and probably has legitimate reasons for doing so that I haven't thought of. Or they're gaining their target audience as intended and can find a good sponsor, awesome! But I think it deserved a mention. In any case, I'll have to move onto listening to the mp3's now T____T but I still love the show! <3
P.S. sorry for any clunkiness or typos, did this on my iPhone
This is extremely valid and I really appreciate the manner in which you communicate this.. seriously, ty.
That said I think you have to weigh the difference. There are a LOT of people that work a 9-5 on the west coast and of course this sucks for them. But their are 3 other time zones in the states alone and an entire continent that will probably benefit from this time change. Some will get the worse end of it but most will benefit and unfortunately for something like this we have to go with the masses.
That is of course just discussing the people who watch. We as hosts have limited time available as well and this time is one of the like 3 exact times that work for us personally as well.
Hope you still follow us and I appreciate you communicating this way <3
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I wonder if MLG would have wanted to keep SotG on their network if they had hit 40k on the final episode! ;P
Either way, looking forward to the show resuming, I really don't think no longer being affiliated with MLG will change the show much...
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On January 13 2012 05:13 iNcontroL wrote:
nobody is making the argument the show would fail without sponsorship.
Money makes it more justifiable for us the hosts and it allows us to improve the quality of the show if we were to raise the production via tech or perks etc...
Again, the show will be here whether we are sponsored or not. You will get the show for free if you choose, no matter what. If you want to support us you can. If we can find someone to support us as well that too should be fine. This stupid notion that everyone should work or do things for free needs to stop. We aren't putting a gun to anyone's head.
I would probably get a subscription even if it gave me no benefit, but if you guys can try to think of some payed perks for those of us that just listen to the podcast. That may not be possible, but just some food for thought.
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on another note is day9 still going to have to leave fashionably early every week? ^^
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this would have been terrible for me if I was still working in korea....however its great that im currently in europe
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On January 13 2012 06:13 kevinthemighty wrote:
Seriously I think you guys should charge 10 cents per viewer per episode. If you think about it, you get 5000 viewers, that's $500. I honestly don't care about what you do with the money. It's only 10 cents for me, and no matter what you talk about, it's not something I'd ask a refund about.
I hate this notion that the work and effort people do should be considered a "service to the community" and that it should be free. The mentality that there are things in life that should be free is a joke. Everything has a cost, and it is downright selfish to think that others should absorb it.
These guys are dedicating 2 hours (more for JP) to entertain you and let you into their thought processes, time that could be easily spent doing other things. And obviously there are people who care about what they have to say, otherwise they wouldn't watch the show. 10 cents is a very minimal amount to pay to be entertained.
I think the main problem is that people (including me) are generally lazy when it comes to grabbing their credit card (or whatever) and actually setting up the payment. The actual amount charged isn't what hinders most people.
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