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On January 13 2012 04:14 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why does SOTG need a sponsor for though? I think everyone ought to honestly reflect on how they spend their money and how much they value the things they buy. For those of you who have been an SC2 fan for a year, can you think about how much money you've spent on entertainment/luxury in the past year and how much of that went into the SC2 scene? Can you then see if that percentage is a fair reflection of how much entertainment you get out of SC2? I think if everyone in the community had an accurate reflection there, then SC2 would be soaring and we wouldn't have a worry in the world about this lasting for a long time and improving the whole way. !
And where do you propose we spend this money? Aside from a GSL subscription, and showing up to LANs/Barcraft, nothing seems worth buying.
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People are greedy, money isn't. Money is just an exchange; what people do with that exchange is up to them. If you really think that these guys are just out to get teh monies (which I strongly disagree with), then don't exchange with them.
However, if you like what they do, want to get better, AND you trust that these guys aren't super greedy mothers who are just trying to game you, then you shouldn't expect to get it for free. The fact that a lot of the content we enjoy IS free is a reminder that money isn't the prime objective with most of SC2 eSports content.
Pay or don't, but money isn't evil. Some people are. Is Tyler evil?
PS. Awesome changes for the show, I'm really glad you are going independent!
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On January 13 2012 04:14 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why does SOTG need a sponsor for though? To do business.
You didn't really answer the need for a sponsor... The rest of your post was great but you completly sidestepped the entire issue regarding SOTG and their (JP's) want of a sponsor. But at the end of the day SOTG is - and always should be, just a group of guys that get on skype and talk about horses or whatever rant incontrol seems to be on. Now you tell me - honestly, what costs does SOTG incur that REQUIRES a sponsor?
If you guys are hoping to just capitalize on your numbers thats great - sell ad space on the splash screen, have JP talk about an advertiser's products, capitalize on merchandise or w/e. But dont throw bullshit saying you need a sponsor to do SOTG when all it consists of is a skype call and a few hours.
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I'm cool with the independent, also cool with paying, nothing wrong with the direction they are going in.
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On January 13 2012 04:58 Energizer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:14 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On January 13 2012 03:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why does SOTG need a sponsor for though? To do business. You didn't really answer the need for a sponsor... The rest of your post was great but you completly sidestepped the entire issue regarding SOTG and their (JP's) want of a sponsor. But at the end of the day SOTG is - and always should be, just a group of guys that get on skype and talk about horses or whatever rant incontrol seems to be on. Now you tell me - honestly, what costs does SOTG incur that REQUIRES a sponsor? If you guys are hoping to just capitalize on your numbers thats great - sell ad space on the splash screen, have JP talk about an advertiser's products, capitalize on merchandise or w/e. But dont throw bullshit saying you need a sponsor to do SOTG when all it consists of is a skype call and a few hours.
if they say they need it *even if its because they want extra cash* then thats that. stay out of their business. you are still getting the same SOTG as always and if it really bothers you that they can make cash from this then stop watching. i feel that comments like this come from jealousy and its annoying
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On January 13 2012 04:54 Cybren wrote:Show nested quote +Everyone does it all the time but it seems that a lot of people in the community have an irrational exception to that when it comes to esports.
It's closer to people have a rational fear of money-people exerting negative influence over creators. But, realistically, how much money is there to be made sponsoring sotg?
Of course eSports business men are in it for money. The job of a business is to make money. What Tyler is saying is that trying to make money isn't evil and can benefit all parties. If eSports wants to grow then it needs business.
Making money isn't evil (although a good number of philosophies that people claim to but don't really ascribe to would say it is), but profit motive does motivate people to do 'wrong'.
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Now you tell me - honestly, what costs does SOTG incur that REQUIRES a sponsor?
Obviously you're not a golfer.
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On January 13 2012 04:58 Energizer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:14 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On January 13 2012 03:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why does SOTG need a sponsor for though? To do business. You didn't really answer the need for a sponsor... The rest of your post was great but you completly sidestepped the entire issue regarding SOTG and their (JP's) want of a sponsor. But at the end of the day SOTG is - and always should be, just a group of guys that get on skype and talk about horses or whatever rant incontrol seems to be on. Now you tell me - honestly, what costs does SOTG incur that REQUIRES a sponsor? If you guys are hoping to just capitalize on your numbers thats great - sell ad space on the splash screen, have JP talk about an advertiser's products, capitalize on merchandise or w/e. But dont throw bullshit saying you need a sponsor to do SOTG when all it consists of is a skype call and a few hours.
What about opportunity cost? If they do SotG for free then that's 2 to 5 hours they're not spending on something else. When these guys are on the show, they're providing entertainment to tens of thousands of people. They shouldn't be doing it for free. They should be getting paid and getting paid well.
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On January 13 2012 04:58 Energizer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:14 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On January 13 2012 03:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why does SOTG need a sponsor for though? To do business. You didn't really answer the need for a sponsor... The rest of your post was great but you completly sidestepped the entire issue regarding SOTG and their (JP's) want of a sponsor. But at the end of the day SOTG is - and always should be, just a group of guys that get on skype and talk about horses or whatever rant incontrol seems to be on. Now you tell me - honestly, what costs does SOTG incur that REQUIRES a sponsor? If you guys are hoping to just capitalize on your numbers thats great - sell ad space on the splash screen, have JP talk about an advertiser's products, capitalize on merchandise or w/e. But dont throw bullshit saying you need a sponsor to do SOTG when all it consists of is a skype call and a few hours.
Nobody's time is free.
If they can find a sponsor that lets them have creative freedom then why shouldn't they get paid?
You act like them wanting to get paid is a bad thing.
Isn't that why some people in the world spend most of their day working in shitty cubicles?
They already said that SotG will always be there for the community and it will be free, what more do you want?
Not like they're saying pay us or we won't do the show.
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It's less the production cost and more the opportunity cost I imagine. Especially on JPs part, who is spending more than just the 2 or so hours they're on the air actually planning the show
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This is the best news I have heard in a bit!
The SoTG before MLG was heads and shoulders better then after.
GOGOGO JP and crew, my favorite show in SC2 ^^!
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On January 13 2012 05:05 Cybren wrote:
It's less the production cost and more the opportunity cost I imagine. Especially on JPs part, who is spending more than just the 2 or so hours they're on the air actually planning the show
And producing it. That shit isn't easy and is definitely time consuming.
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nobody is making the argument the show would fail without sponsorship.
Money makes it more justifiable for us the hosts and it allows us to improve the quality of the show if we were to raise the production via tech or perks etc...
Again, the show will be here whether we are sponsored or not. You will get the show for free if you choose, no matter what. If you want to support us you can. If we can find someone to support us as well that too should be fine. This stupid notion that everyone should work or do things for free needs to stop. We aren't putting a gun to anyone's head.
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On January 13 2012 05:13 iNcontroL wrote:
nobody is making the argument the show would fail without sponsorship.
Money makes it more justifiable for us the hosts and it allows us to improve the quality of the show if we were to raise the production via tech or perks etc...
Again, the show will be here whether we are sponsored or not. You will get the show for free if you choose, no matter what. If you want to support us you can. If we can find someone to support us as well that too should be fine. This stupid notion that everyone should work or do things for free needs to stop. We aren't putting a gun to anyone's head.
I will happily buy a sub as well as shirts and all that stuff  . In fact I'm throwing my credit card at the screen already, but nothing's happening. T_T
Remember people, SoTG has been around LONG before anyone made money doing anything SC2, and it's not unfair for them to want to make some money off their hard work.
If you don't believe that you need to ask your boss at work immediately to stop paying you since you could technically do it for free.
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Yeah I cant wait for SOTG to return! Best news is that the hosts will stay the same! and Slasher wont be on it!!!!
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On January 13 2012 05:13 iNcontroL wrote:
nobody is making the argument the show would fail without sponsorship.
Money makes it more justifiable for us the hosts and it allows us to improve the quality of the show if we were to raise the production via tech or perks etc...
Again, the show will be here whether we are sponsored or not. You will get the show for free if you choose, no matter what. If you want to support us you can. If we can find someone to support us as well that too should be fine. This stupid notion that everyone should work or do things for free needs to stop. We aren't putting a gun to anyone's head.
Absolutely! The whole thing is opt-in, what is problem?! They are leaving you with the choice. If they forced you to charge it would still be justifiable, but they aren't b/c they don't want to alienate anyone. I guess you really can't make everyone happy...
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I think this is a good move in the right direction. I think a show like SOTG should be free to talk about and criticize whatever they feel like, and obviously they can't do that when being sponsored by MLG. That being said, it's perfectly reasonable that they want some sort of sponsorship to give them some monetary incentive to do the show, and I really hope they get one. So GL to everyone working on SOTG and I hope you find a good way to make some money off the work you've all been doing for so long.
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Really your choice. I will enjoy the show as long as you put it out in an entertaining quality, like it was. If getting a sponsor helps you - fine; if you want to make money of it - fine. I'll enjoy watching anyways; don't let haters spoil it for you.
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On January 13 2012 04:54 Twistacles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:14 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On January 13 2012 03:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why does SOTG need a sponsor for though? I think everyone ought to honestly reflect on how they spend their money and how much they value the things they buy. For those of you who have been an SC2 fan for a year, can you think about how much money you've spent on entertainment/luxury in the past year and how much of that went into the SC2 scene? Can you then see if that percentage is a fair reflection of how much entertainment you get out of SC2? I think if everyone in the community had an accurate reflection there, then SC2 would be soaring and we wouldn't have a worry in the world about this lasting for a long time and improving the whole way. ! And where do you propose we spend this money? Aside from a GSL subscription, and showing up to LANs/Barcraft, nothing seems worth buying.
Perhaps that's the problem. You see all of this as not worth buying, but what about other sources of your spending? What you buy when you purchase a Steelseries or Razer product instead of a competitor, is improved financial support for anything they sponsor. What you buy when you get a TL or EG shirt isn't just a piece of clothing, but also a slightly stronger backing for your favorite team.
Perhaps reforge your notion of what things are worth buying?
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On January 13 2012 05:13 iNcontroL wrote:
nobody is making the argument the show would fail without sponsorship.
Money makes it more justifiable for us the hosts and it allows us to improve the quality of the show if we were to raise the production via tech or perks etc...
Again, the show will be here whether we are sponsored or not. You will get the show for free if you choose, no matter what. If you want to support us you can. If we can find someone to support us as well that too should be fine. This stupid notion that everyone should work or do things for free needs to stop. We aren't putting a gun to anyone's head.
Doesn't the huge viewer count alone mean you guys aren't doing anything for free on SOTG?
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