EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1794
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TigerKarl
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NonY
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On November 12 2011 20:33 chrissummers wrote: According to that logic, you guys discussed a lot of topics although you were either of these. And besides that, I could not disagree more. With this kind of attitude, we would not have any welfare organisations, no greenpeace, no whatever. People get involved because they care about something, because they want to help others and because they want to change something. Saying a topic like PPSL is "not important at all" is mocking everyone that has worked there, not getting paid and the people that spent money for the event and are now in debt ( f.e. for the flights ). With that I'll leave it to you. I covered that :o | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On November 12 2011 22:25 chrissummers wrote: he said "It's not important at all. Some guy fucked up running an event... why does that matter?" in this thread. ignorance is bliss! edit: i read all his posts, replied earlier. read it and get wiser. Yea i just want to clarify that it's not important because it is an open and shut case. I'm not saying that Gus's actions were trivial or that the victims' grievances are frivolous. It is not important because to us in the sense that there's nothin to discuss. | ||
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Qibla
Australia343 Posts
On November 12 2011 23:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Yea i just want to clarify that it's not important because it is an open and shut case. I'm not saying that Gus's actions were trivial or that the victims' grievances are frivolous. It is not important because to us in the sense that there's nothin to discuss. Case closed! :D | ||
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How2getMaster
Germany124 Posts
Greetings. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On November 12 2011 23:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Yea i just want to clarify that it's not important because it is an open and shut case. I'm not saying that Gus's actions were trivial or that the victims' grievances are frivolous. It is not important because to us in the sense that there's nothin to discuss. Well atleast for me, while I was disappointed that Artosis had 0 information other than to say the Fans were great. The thing that rubbed me the wrong way was when Husky started the whole 'sensationalism' line of discussion which just seems offensive to the people who were reporting. If it is black and white and Gus did something wrong, then just say there isn't anything to discuss then why get into a seemingly separate discussion about sensationalism in the forum? Linking those two things together gives off the implication that the people reporting 1st hand accounts are intentionally injecting extra drama which is a disservice to everyone screwed over trying to tell what happened in their subjective experience with Gus and PPSL. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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NEgroidZerg
United States244 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
What I was really trying to say is that I don't think the panel really needs to be overly cautious when broaching 'controversial' topics. I'm the type of audience member that doesn't put too much stock in what you guys say, and can forgive someone if they get their facts wrong -- I trust the show to correct itself whenever necessary. Of course, other listener's aren't as forgiving and you've been burned in the past. | ||
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Izukue
Canada101 Posts
Think about it, what COULD they say? They could roast Gus all they want, but what could that say that's new about the situation? Call him out on it? Do you expect Artosis to all of a sudden shit all over the event because of the drama? That's just reinforcing what we already and is only what we WANT to hear. But in the end, all it does is add fuel to the fire, and it's already a massive fire already. There's no point really. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
 I hope everybody will share their view on Skyrim in the next StoG because almost everyone is streaming it (tyler's wife, day & jp at least, and destiny). | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On November 14 2011 03:15 Izukue wrote: I'm not surprised by the stance that SotG has taken, and I'm fully supportive of you guys! Think about it, what COULD they say? They could roast Gus all they want, but what could that say that's new about the situation? Call him out on it? Do you expect Artosis to all of a sudden shit all over the event because of the drama? That's just reinforcing what we already and is only what we WANT to hear. But in the end, all it does is add fuel to the fire, and it's already a massive fire already. There's no point really. Agreed, but downplaying what people have said, especially those that have been affected, rubs off the wrong way. I'm talking about what Husky said, in relation to how everyone on the internet was 'sensationalizing'. Makes it seem like YoonYJ and Dox, good folks who came forward, are simply stirring drama for attention. Also, no one's asking them to roast Gus. There's enough of that here. It's State of the Game, and I was hoping they would discuss the effects of this situation on the state of the game. Just my own 2 cents of course. Tyler's explained things reasonably. | ||
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
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JinnAxel
Canada50 Posts
On November 14 2011 05:55 Xpace wrote: Agreed, but downplaying what people have said, especially those that have been affected, rubs off the wrong way. I'm talking about what Husky said, in relation to how everyone on the internet was 'sensationalizing'. Makes it seem like YoonYJ and Dox, good folks who came forward, are simply stirring drama for attention. Also, no one's asking them to roast Gus. There's enough of that here. It's State of the Game, and I was hoping they would discuss the effects of this situation on the state of the game. Just my own 2 cents of course. Tyler's explained things reasonably. Well, they were directly effected, so that statement doesn't apply to them. It's the people who call out for witch hunts and repeat what's been said over and over and over again in the same thread that sensationalize everything and make things bigger than they actually are. Was it bad? Absolutely. But it still doesn't change the fact that they weren't as informed as other TL users, and therefore can't really make a judgement. Plus what's everybody out to hear from them anyways? It just sounds like they basically want the crew to just reaffirm what they already think. | ||
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kar1181
United Kingdom515 Posts
I remember earlier in the year being quite critical of Geoff's participation on the show, and having had some time away from starcraft myself and only now catching up on everything that's gone on in the last 4-5 months it's remarkable the change in his contribution to the quality of sotg. Definitely for the better. Indeed it's remarkable just how high the quality and depth of content the community is turning out now. And it's free! Anyway, not a lot to say but just wanted to say I really am enjoying this 'second season' of sotg and the guys contributing to it. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
On November 13 2011 00:54 Antisocialmunky wrote: Well atleast for me, while I was disappointed that Artosis had 0 information other than to say the Fans were great. I dunno, I've been to events (MLG Columbus comes to mind) where there's drama, on stream happenings, technical issues, and other things going on and I learned nothing of them until I was on the way or at home. It's entirely reasonable for Artosis' experience of the event to consist entirely of "I casted the games, hung with some cool fans, and went home" | ||
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Bedrock
United States395 Posts
On Nov 14 2011 11:07<span style='color:#d20000'> (9 min)</span> Kibibit wrote: I dunno, I've been to events (MLG Columbus comes to mind) where there's drama, on stream happenings, technical issues, and other things going on and I learned nothing of them until I was on the way or at home. It's entirely reasonable for Artosis' experience of the event to consist entirely of "I casted the games, hung with some cool fans, and went home" Agreed, he spoke to what he saw in his position at the event and that sounds like the logical thing to do. There's no point in stirring up drama or speaking to something when you haven't read up on everything that went on. Actually, wasn't he trying to read some of it during the show? lol | ||
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bbm
United Kingdom1320 Posts
On November 12 2011 15:35 slam wrote: Last question: Cobra with no hands or tiger w/ baseball bat was the highlight of the show. This. It's a pity I'm in the wrong timezone and can never listen live because I have a whole host of similar questions I would like to ask. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
On November 13 2011 00:54 Antisocialmunky wrote: Well atleast for me, while I was disappointed that Artosis had 0 information other than to say the Fans were great. The thing that rubbed me the wrong way was when Husky started the whole 'sensationalism' line of discussion which just seems offensive to the people who were reporting. If it is black and white and Gus did something wrong, then just say there isn't anything to discuss then why get into a seemingly separate discussion about sensationalism in the forum? Linking those two things together gives off the implication that the people reporting 1st hand accounts are intentionally injecting extra drama which is a disservice to everyone screwed over trying to tell what happened in their subjective experience with Gus and PPSL. Yeah the sensationalism accusation was silly, given the mountain of documented evidence (screenshots of Gus being a douchebag, pictures of contracts, posts by IPL, posts by TheGunRun and such). Also now we have this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285511 a charity stream to cover the 12k Amanda owes. gus is still nowhere to be found and not owning up to his failure as a human being. i mean i dont know how much more evidence is needed. community is stepping up to cover for his debts, this is a bad precedent. he must be rightfully and sensationally blacklisted forever. | ||
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