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On May 25 2011 14:09 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:07 DoomsVille wrote:On May 25 2011 14:04 cheesemaster wrote:
I think that was pretty douchey of incontrol to clown on huk for his height after he challenged him to a PVP. How does huk challenging incontrol to a PVP have anything to do with his height, and why would it make it more threatening if huk was taller.
Seems like a pretty insecure comment from incontrol having to go for a low blow like that. It's pretty douchey of Huk to try to end a discussion about strategy with lets play 1v1 because I know I'm better than you. the point of playing games is to show how it works... not to win games that are irrelevant to the discussion and say "well i bested you in this situation, so i know better in this other situation as well"
yes whattyler said ^ thanks tyler even though i said pretty much the same thing, people will just ignore me unfortunately =(
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On May 25 2011 14:05 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:03 formthehead wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Something that would kill a Warp Prism in 10 seconds will kill a Dropship in 10.5. Please stop making excuses for not using the Warp Prism. You have a moveable Nydus Worm that can't be destroyed by only Probes. Why don't you actually try it first? It also comes out of the building that produces 3 units that are way more important. It's the same reason why terrans don't get ravens. Make a second robo devoted to warp prisms? It costs less than zerg drops + ov speed and less than starport + reactor.
How would that be more helpful than another robo making colossi or immortals or observers? You're not making a robo so you can research overlord drop, there's no point in drawing that equivalency because you can't play protoss and zerg at the same time. There isn't something as amazing as a reaver drop to justify using the robo to build the prism as opposed to something else, that's Tyler's point.
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On May 25 2011 14:09 Grimjim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:05 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Mailing wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Warp Prisms with speed are as fast as mutalisks, they should never be hit unlike medivacs  then you deploy them to warp-in units.. warp-ins last 5 seconds. warp prism dies in 2.  Nydus Worms take 10 seconds to deploy and announce when they deploy. Also, they can be destroyed by workers. Riddle me that.
When the Nydus gets announced, it means units are streaming in your base.
the only thing I'm saying is warp prism with speed ain't shit if it's deployed.
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On May 25 2011 14:10 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:09 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On May 25 2011 14:07 DoomsVille wrote:On May 25 2011 14:04 cheesemaster wrote:
I think that was pretty douchey of incontrol to clown on huk for his height after he challenged him to a PVP. How does huk challenging incontrol to a PVP have anything to do with his height, and why would it make it more threatening if huk was taller.
Seems like a pretty insecure comment from incontrol having to go for a low blow like that. It's pretty douchey of Huk to try to end a discussion about strategy with lets play 1v1 because I know I'm better than you. the point of playing games is to show how it works... not to win games that are irrelevant to the discussion and say "well i bested you in this situation, so i know better in this other situation as well" yes whattyler said ^ thanks tyler even though i said pretty much the same thing, people will just ignore me unfortunately =(
as they should
don't try and make drama.. we are all friends. you can shut the fuck up now
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On May 25 2011 14:07 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
totally inappropriate to go after his height. he should have made fun of his justin bieber haircut instead! Agreed that would have been funny, instead of the douchey route he took. Height is somethign you cant change, haircut on the other hand
oh, the irony.
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Listening to this just reinforces how awesome Total Biscuit is.
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On May 25 2011 14:11 rXs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:09 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:05 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Mailing wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Warp Prisms with speed are as fast as mutalisks, they should never be hit unlike medivacs then you deploy them to warp-in units.. warp-ins last 5 seconds. warp prism dies in 2. Nydus Worms take 10 seconds to deploy and announce when they deploy. Also, they can be destroyed by workers. Riddle me that. When the Nydus gets announced, it means units are streaming in your base. the only thing I'm saying is warp prism with speed ain't shit if it's deployed.
But the Warp Prism announces nothing! And doesn't cost gas! And it can move! And can't be destroyed by melee units!
How can you not see that these 4 players simply haven't even tried heavy Warp Prism play and are just making excuses? This would never fly if Day[9] or IdrA or any other race's player was on.
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On May 25 2011 14:07 Grimjim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:03 formthehead wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Something that would kill a Warp Prism in 10 seconds will kill a Dropship in 10.5. Please stop making excuses for not using the Warp Prism. You have a moveable Nydus Worm that can't be destroyed by only Probes. Why don't you actually try it first? It also comes out of the building that produces 3 units that are way more important. It's the same reason why terrans don't get ravens. Going any kind of Robo against the now infamous Ling/Infestor mode is asking to be roflstomped. Suddenly those 3 units drops to 1, and I'm pretty sure not a single Protoss chain-builds Observers. Admit it. They are simply making excuses and blaming bad harassment abilities yet they haven't even tried Warp Prism play.
Again, they never said protoss was weak, they said zerg was whiney. If you have to keep blaming someone, blame JP for asking a bad question.
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On May 25 2011 14:11 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:10 cheesemaster wrote:On May 25 2011 14:09 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On May 25 2011 14:07 DoomsVille wrote:On May 25 2011 14:04 cheesemaster wrote:
I think that was pretty douchey of incontrol to clown on huk for his height after he challenged him to a PVP. How does huk challenging incontrol to a PVP have anything to do with his height, and why would it make it more threatening if huk was taller.
Seems like a pretty insecure comment from incontrol having to go for a low blow like that. It's pretty douchey of Huk to try to end a discussion about strategy with lets play 1v1 because I know I'm better than you. the point of playing games is to show how it works... not to win games that are irrelevant to the discussion and say "well i bested you in this situation, so i know better in this other situation as well" yes whattyler said ^ thanks tyler even though i said pretty much the same thing, people will just ignore me unfortunately =( as they should don't try and make drama.. we are all friends. you can shut the fuck up now
not trying to start drama, just saying its a douchey thing to do to make fun of something that someone cant control like their height weather its joking or not, like obviously you were joking ^^
I think your hilarious to be honest you have made me crack up many times to night i just thought that one was taking it a bit too far and so i thought i would point it out =(
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On May 25 2011 14:09 Grimjim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:05 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Mailing wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Warp Prisms with speed are as fast as mutalisks, they should never be hit unlike medivacs then you deploy them to warp-in units.. warp-ins last 5 seconds. warp prism dies in 2. Nydus Worms take 10 seconds to deploy and announce when they deploy. Also, they can be destroyed by workers. Riddle me that.
Nydus worms also have the potential to unload an ENTIRE zerg army out of it. It makes perfect sense that it has the ability to be killed by workers. In addition, the Nydus only makes the noise once building it has been completed - so if the player fails to scout it, once the noise plays units will have already been deployed out of it. Trying to kill that nydus with workers would be nothing short of a sacrifice.
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On May 25 2011 14:13 formthehead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:07 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:03 formthehead wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Something that would kill a Warp Prism in 10 seconds will kill a Dropship in 10.5. Please stop making excuses for not using the Warp Prism. You have a moveable Nydus Worm that can't be destroyed by only Probes. Why don't you actually try it first? It also comes out of the building that produces 3 units that are way more important. It's the same reason why terrans don't get ravens. Going any kind of Robo against the now infamous Ling/Infestor mode is asking to be roflstomped. Suddenly those 3 units drops to 1, and I'm pretty sure not a single Protoss chain-builds Observers. Admit it. They are simply making excuses and blaming bad harassment abilities yet they haven't even tried Warp Prism play. Again, they never said protoss was weak, they said zerg was whiney. If you have to keep blaming someone, blame JP for asking a bad question.
It's quite hypocritical to complain about whining Zergs and then ask for buffs. Just saying. I blame JP for picking all Protoss. Sounded like a giant grief session, sarcastic or no.
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On May 25 2011 14:13 Grimjim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:11 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:09 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:05 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Mailing wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Warp Prisms with speed are as fast as mutalisks, they should never be hit unlike medivacs then you deploy them to warp-in units.. warp-ins last 5 seconds. warp prism dies in 2. Nydus Worms take 10 seconds to deploy and announce when they deploy. Also, they can be destroyed by workers. Riddle me that. When the Nydus gets announced, it means units are streaming in your base. the only thing I'm saying is warp prism with speed ain't shit if it's deployed. But the Warp Prism announces nothing! And doesn't cost gas! And it can move! And can't be destroyed by melee units! How can you not see that these 4 players simply haven't even tried heavy Warp Prism play and are just making excuses? This would never fly if Day[9] or IdrA or any other race's player was on.
Based on what evidence are you claiming that between tyler, huk, inc, and nani, none have tried heavy warp prism play?
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On May 25 2011 14:14 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:11 iNcontroL wrote:On May 25 2011 14:10 cheesemaster wrote:On May 25 2011 14:09 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On May 25 2011 14:07 DoomsVille wrote:On May 25 2011 14:04 cheesemaster wrote:
I think that was pretty douchey of incontrol to clown on huk for his height after he challenged him to a PVP. How does huk challenging incontrol to a PVP have anything to do with his height, and why would it make it more threatening if huk was taller.
Seems like a pretty insecure comment from incontrol having to go for a low blow like that. It's pretty douchey of Huk to try to end a discussion about strategy with lets play 1v1 because I know I'm better than you. the point of playing games is to show how it works... not to win games that are irrelevant to the discussion and say "well i bested you in this situation, so i know better in this other situation as well" yes whattyler said ^ thanks tyler even though i said pretty much the same thing, people will just ignore me unfortunately =( as they should don't try and make drama.. we are all friends. you can shut the fuck up now not trying to start drama, just saying its a douchey thing to do to make fun of something that someone cant control like their height weather its joking or not, like obviously you were joking ^^ I think your hilarious to be honest you have made me crack up many times to night i just thought that one was taking it a bit too far and so i thought i would point it out =(
Yeah Geoff, making fun of people's height is no laughing matter. The price of stepups and foot stools makes them practically relegated to second class status.
What's next? Making fun of left handed people???
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Can we stop debating warp prism vs medivac now? And not just because medivacs are actually good.
About what Tyler said, he said something very close to "There are a lot of protoss buffs that I'd like to see" but I interpreted it as just a really casual statement showing indecision more than discontent. There was no preface nor followup to that statement.
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On May 25 2011 14:11 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:07 cheesemaster wrote:On May 25 2011 14:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
totally inappropriate to go after his height. he should have made fun of his justin bieber haircut instead! Agreed that would have been funny, instead of the douchey route he took. Height is somethign you cant change, haircut on the other hand oh, the irony.
lol seriously though whats with the beiber hair
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On May 25 2011 14:14 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:11 iNcontroL wrote:On May 25 2011 14:10 cheesemaster wrote:On May 25 2011 14:09 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On May 25 2011 14:07 DoomsVille wrote:On May 25 2011 14:04 cheesemaster wrote:
I think that was pretty douchey of incontrol to clown on huk for his height after he challenged him to a PVP. How does huk challenging incontrol to a PVP have anything to do with his height, and why would it make it more threatening if huk was taller.
Seems like a pretty insecure comment from incontrol having to go for a low blow like that. It's pretty douchey of Huk to try to end a discussion about strategy with lets play 1v1 because I know I'm better than you. the point of playing games is to show how it works... not to win games that are irrelevant to the discussion and say "well i bested you in this situation, so i know better in this other situation as well" yes whattyler said ^ thanks tyler even though i said pretty much the same thing, people will just ignore me unfortunately =( as they should don't try and make drama.. we are all friends. you can shut the fuck up now not trying to start drama, just saying its a douchey thing to do to make fun of something that someone cant control like their height weather its joking or not, like obviously you were joking ^^ I think your hilarious to be honest you have made me crack up many times to night i just thought that one was taking it a bit too far and so i thought i would point it out =(
Making fun of your friends in good humor is not "douchey". jesus fucking christ.
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On May 25 2011 14:15 Grimjim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:13 formthehead wrote:On May 25 2011 14:07 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:03 formthehead wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Something that would kill a Warp Prism in 10 seconds will kill a Dropship in 10.5. Please stop making excuses for not using the Warp Prism. You have a moveable Nydus Worm that can't be destroyed by only Probes. Why don't you actually try it first? It also comes out of the building that produces 3 units that are way more important. It's the same reason why terrans don't get ravens. Going any kind of Robo against the now infamous Ling/Infestor mode is asking to be roflstomped. Suddenly those 3 units drops to 1, and I'm pretty sure not a single Protoss chain-builds Observers. Admit it. They are simply making excuses and blaming bad harassment abilities yet they haven't even tried Warp Prism play. Again, they never said protoss was weak, they said zerg was whiney. If you have to keep blaming someone, blame JP for asking a bad question. It's quite hypocritical to complain about whining Zergs and then ask for buffs. Just saying. I blame JP for picking all Protoss. Sounded like a giant grief session, sarcastic or no.
JP asked them " if you can buff protoss for hots what will you do" What else do you want them to answer then. How is answering that question hypocritical as you said.
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On May 25 2011 14:15 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:14 cheesemaster wrote:On May 25 2011 14:11 iNcontroL wrote:On May 25 2011 14:10 cheesemaster wrote:On May 25 2011 14:09 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On May 25 2011 14:07 DoomsVille wrote:On May 25 2011 14:04 cheesemaster wrote:
I think that was pretty douchey of incontrol to clown on huk for his height after he challenged him to a PVP. How does huk challenging incontrol to a PVP have anything to do with his height, and why would it make it more threatening if huk was taller.
Seems like a pretty insecure comment from incontrol having to go for a low blow like that. It's pretty douchey of Huk to try to end a discussion about strategy with lets play 1v1 because I know I'm better than you. the point of playing games is to show how it works... not to win games that are irrelevant to the discussion and say "well i bested you in this situation, so i know better in this other situation as well" yes whattyler said ^ thanks tyler even though i said pretty much the same thing, people will just ignore me unfortunately =( as they should don't try and make drama.. we are all friends. you can shut the fuck up now not trying to start drama, just saying its a douchey thing to do to make fun of something that someone cant control like their height weather its joking or not, like obviously you were joking ^^ I think your hilarious to be honest you have made me crack up many times to night i just thought that one was taking it a bit too far and so i thought i would point it out =( Yeah Geoff, making fun of people's height is no laughing matter. The price of stepups and foot stools makes them practically relegated to second class status. What's next? Making fun of left handed people???
LOL classic
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On May 25 2011 14:09 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:07 DoomsVille wrote:On May 25 2011 14:04 cheesemaster wrote:
I think that was pretty douchey of incontrol to clown on huk for his height after he challenged him to a PVP. How does huk challenging incontrol to a PVP have anything to do with his height, and why would it make it more threatening if huk was taller.
Seems like a pretty insecure comment from incontrol having to go for a low blow like that. It's pretty douchey of Huk to try to end a discussion about strategy with lets play 1v1 because I know I'm better than you. the point of playing games is to show how it works... not to win games that are irrelevant to the discussion and say "well i bested you in this situation, so i know better in this other situation as well"
That may be the case, but that's not how incontrol took it (or how huk meant it). I mean he responded with "yea you're better than me, you are the better 1v1 player"... not "yea we should test it out together some time".
Anyways, I don't think theres a problem with what he said or what Huk said. I'm just saying they're both taking shots at each other and that's perfectly fine.
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On May 25 2011 14:15 Grimjim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:13 formthehead wrote:On May 25 2011 14:07 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:03 formthehead wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Something that would kill a Warp Prism in 10 seconds will kill a Dropship in 10.5. Please stop making excuses for not using the Warp Prism. You have a moveable Nydus Worm that can't be destroyed by only Probes. Why don't you actually try it first? It also comes out of the building that produces 3 units that are way more important. It's the same reason why terrans don't get ravens. Going any kind of Robo against the now infamous Ling/Infestor mode is asking to be roflstomped. Suddenly those 3 units drops to 1, and I'm pretty sure not a single Protoss chain-builds Observers. Admit it. They are simply making excuses and blaming bad harassment abilities yet they haven't even tried Warp Prism play. Again, they never said protoss was weak, they said zerg was whiney. If you have to keep blaming someone, blame JP for asking a bad question. It's quite hypocritical to complain about whining Zergs and then ask for buffs. Just saying. I blame JP for picking all Protoss. Sounded like a giant grief session, sarcastic or no.
So it's protoss's fault that you hear imbalance whenever someone makes a joke? Is the only valid answer to "what unit would you like in the expansion" is "my race is already too strong"? You're stating an opinion and trying to find rationalizations as you go.
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