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On May 25 2011 13:57 Grimjim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 13:55 formthehead wrote:On May 25 2011 13:53 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 dtz wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and strongly suggest JP stays away from balance discussion when he has such a one-race stacked roster. Having 4 Terran or 4 Zerg would turn into a giant, QQ circlejerk, just as this one has. Protoss are bad at drops? You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races.
I don't tune in to hear 4 Protoss complain about how they are having trouble in a matchup and demanding buffs. Especially after 20 episodes of InControl and Nony telling IdrA and other Zergs to get creative and use Nydus worms.
We just got creative Protoss users. Ball is in your court. They are not calling protoss weak though if you listen fully to their discussion. That's just naniwa setting up the discussion much like he did with TERRAN IMBA in TSL hype videos. They admit that people have to adjust and figure out new stuff. What they did was calling out zerg as whiners. That's all they did. The discussion about archons were because JP asked them what units do you want if you can IMPROVE the protoss army in HOTS. I'm pretty sure I heard Tyler straight up ask for buffs. That's seems like calling Protoss weak to me. JP asked him what protoss was missing. He didn't ask "is protoss weak". But... if he straight up asks for buffs, that seems like he believes Protoss is weak. Can someone confirm if Tyler said he wanted buffs? I'm next to positive he did, but I don't want to continue the discussion if I misheard.
I think Tyler wanted some buffs to Archons to make it a viable alternative to Colossus tech, which was a response to iNcontrol saying that Blizzard should "add" Archons to SC2 for HotS.
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Tyler said he wanted buffs in a very sarcastic way, it's not like he said he feels like Protoss is underpowered in any way.
Also, I'm really liking this PvP discussion, even though I don't play Protoss. It's nice to hear them getting in-depth about matchups again, that's been missing the past few weeks.
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Yeah, Huk and Tyler vs Incontrol and Naniwa. I'd pay to see that PP v PP!
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why does incontrol have to make fun of his height, it has no relevance
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On May 25 2011 13:58 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 13:57 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:55 formthehead wrote:On May 25 2011 13:53 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 dtz wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and strongly suggest JP stays away from balance discussion when he has such a one-race stacked roster. Having 4 Terran or 4 Zerg would turn into a giant, QQ circlejerk, just as this one has. Protoss are bad at drops? You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races.
I don't tune in to hear 4 Protoss complain about how they are having trouble in a matchup and demanding buffs. Especially after 20 episodes of InControl and Nony telling IdrA and other Zergs to get creative and use Nydus worms.
We just got creative Protoss users. Ball is in your court. They are not calling protoss weak though if you listen fully to their discussion. That's just naniwa setting up the discussion much like he did with TERRAN IMBA in TSL hype videos. They admit that people have to adjust and figure out new stuff. What they did was calling out zerg as whiners. That's all they did. The discussion about archons were because JP asked them what units do you want if you can IMPROVE the protoss army in HOTS. I'm pretty sure I heard Tyler straight up ask for buffs. That's seems like calling Protoss weak to me. JP asked him what protoss was missing. He didn't ask "is protoss weak". But... if he straight up asks for buffs, that seems like he believes Protoss is weak. Can someone confirm if Tyler said he wanted buffs? I'm next to positive he did, but I don't want to continue the discussion if I misheard. does it even fucking matter if he did? like really, stop discecting everything every pro says.
Well, if he is insinuating Protoss is weak, yeah. Manner, please.
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bah, i dunno why... but i always cling to the illusions of having this done and uploaded before i go to work. never happens though. Guess I just have to wait.
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On May 25 2011 14:01 Grimjim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Something that would kill a Warp Prism in 10 seconds will kill a Dropship in 10.5. Please stop making excuses for not using the Warp Prism. You have a moveable Nydus Worm that can't be destroyed by only Probes. Why don't you actually try it first?
It also comes out of the building that produces 3 units that are way more important. It's the same reason why terrans don't get ravens.
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I think that was pretty douchey of incontrol to clown on huk for his height after he challenged him to a PVP. How does huk challenging incontrol to a PVP have anything to do with his height, and why would it make it more threatening if huk was taller.
Seems like a pretty insecure comment from incontrol having to go for a low blow like that.
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On May 25 2011 14:03 formthehead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:01 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Something that would kill a Warp Prism in 10 seconds will kill a Dropship in 10.5. Please stop making excuses for not using the Warp Prism. You have a moveable Nydus Worm that can't be destroyed by only Probes. Why don't you actually try it first? It also comes out of the building that produces 3 units that are way more important. It's the same reason why terrans don't get ravens.
Make a second robo devoted to warp prisms? It costs less than zerg drops + ov speed and less than starport + reactor.
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On May 25 2011 14:03 Grimjim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 13:58 Falcor wrote:On May 25 2011 13:57 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:55 formthehead wrote:On May 25 2011 13:53 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 dtz wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and strongly suggest JP stays away from balance discussion when he has such a one-race stacked roster. Having 4 Terran or 4 Zerg would turn into a giant, QQ circlejerk, just as this one has. Protoss are bad at drops? You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races.
I don't tune in to hear 4 Protoss complain about how they are having trouble in a matchup and demanding buffs. Especially after 20 episodes of InControl and Nony telling IdrA and other Zergs to get creative and use Nydus worms.
We just got creative Protoss users. Ball is in your court. They are not calling protoss weak though if you listen fully to their discussion. That's just naniwa setting up the discussion much like he did with TERRAN IMBA in TSL hype videos. They admit that people have to adjust and figure out new stuff. What they did was calling out zerg as whiners. That's all they did. The discussion about archons were because JP asked them what units do you want if you can IMPROVE the protoss army in HOTS. I'm pretty sure I heard Tyler straight up ask for buffs. That's seems like calling Protoss weak to me. JP asked him what protoss was missing. He didn't ask "is protoss weak". But... if he straight up asks for buffs, that seems like he believes Protoss is weak. Can someone confirm if Tyler said he wanted buffs? I'm next to positive he did, but I don't want to continue the discussion if I misheard. does it even fucking matter if he did? like really, stop discecting everything every pro says. Well, if he is insinuating Protoss is weak, yeah. Manner, please.
pretty much every pro has said their race is weak at some point...so it doesnt matter.
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On May 25 2011 14:01 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Warp Prisms with speed are as fast as mutalisks, they should never be hit unlike medivacs 
then you deploy them to warp-in units.. warp-ins last 5 seconds. warp prism dies in 2. 
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totally inappropriate to go after his height. he should have made fun of his justin bieber haircut instead!
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Incoming Incontrol double rainbow jokes once he views the video.
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On May 25 2011 14:03 Grimjim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 13:58 Falcor wrote:On May 25 2011 13:57 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:55 formthehead wrote:On May 25 2011 13:53 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 dtz wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and strongly suggest JP stays away from balance discussion when he has such a one-race stacked roster. Having 4 Terran or 4 Zerg would turn into a giant, QQ circlejerk, just as this one has. Protoss are bad at drops? You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races.
I don't tune in to hear 4 Protoss complain about how they are having trouble in a matchup and demanding buffs. Especially after 20 episodes of InControl and Nony telling IdrA and other Zergs to get creative and use Nydus worms.
We just got creative Protoss users. Ball is in your court. They are not calling protoss weak though if you listen fully to their discussion. That's just naniwa setting up the discussion much like he did with TERRAN IMBA in TSL hype videos. They admit that people have to adjust and figure out new stuff. What they did was calling out zerg as whiners. That's all they did. The discussion about archons were because JP asked them what units do you want if you can IMPROVE the protoss army in HOTS. I'm pretty sure I heard Tyler straight up ask for buffs. That's seems like calling Protoss weak to me. JP asked him what protoss was missing. He didn't ask "is protoss weak". But... if he straight up asks for buffs, that seems like he believes Protoss is weak. Can someone confirm if Tyler said he wanted buffs? I'm next to positive he did, but I don't want to continue the discussion if I misheard. does it even fucking matter if he did? like really, stop discecting everything every pro says. Well, if he is insinuating Protoss is weak, yeah. Manner, please.
I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm.
Even if it wasn't, JP asked what he thought the race was missing. If you asked Bill Gates what he wanted most, would you expect him to answer about what he desires or would you expect him to say "I have everything."? It is pretty much common sense that -everyone- has desires, some of which are selfish. If you asked IdrA if he'd want Zerglings to fly and have 400 hp, he'd probably say yes.
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On May 25 2011 14:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
totally inappropriate to go after his height. he should have made fun of his justin bieber haircut instead!
Agreed that would have been funny, instead of the douchey route he took. Height is somethign you cant change, haircut on the other hand
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On May 25 2011 14:04 cheesemaster wrote:
I think that was pretty douchey of incontrol to clown on huk for his height after he challenged him to a PVP. How does huk challenging incontrol to a PVP have anything to do with his height, and why would it make it more threatening if huk was taller.
Seems like a pretty insecure comment from incontrol having to go for a low blow like that.
It's pretty douchey of Huk to try to end a discussion about strategy with lets play 1v1 because I know I'm better than you.
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On May 25 2011 14:03 formthehead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:01 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Something that would kill a Warp Prism in 10 seconds will kill a Dropship in 10.5. Please stop making excuses for not using the Warp Prism. You have a moveable Nydus Worm that can't be destroyed by only Probes. Why don't you actually try it first? It also comes out of the building that produces 3 units that are way more important. It's the same reason why terrans don't get ravens.
Going any kind of Robo against the now infamous Ling/Infestor mode is asking to be roflstomped. Suddenly those 3 units drops to 1, and I'm pretty sure not a single Protoss chain-builds Observers.
Admit it. They are simply making excuses and blaming bad harassment abilities yet they haven't even tried Warp Prism play.
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On May 25 2011 14:05 rXs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:01 Mailing wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Warp Prisms with speed are as fast as mutalisks, they should never be hit unlike medivacs then you deploy them to warp-in units.. warp-ins last 5 seconds. warp prism dies in 2.
Nydus Worms take 10 seconds to deploy and announce when they deploy. Also, they can be destroyed by workers.
Riddle me that.
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On May 25 2011 14:07 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:04 cheesemaster wrote:
I think that was pretty douchey of incontrol to clown on huk for his height after he challenged him to a PVP. How does huk challenging incontrol to a PVP have anything to do with his height, and why would it make it more threatening if huk was taller.
Seems like a pretty insecure comment from incontrol having to go for a low blow like that. It's pretty douchey of Huk to try to end a discussion about strategy with lets play 1v1 because I know I'm better than you.
the point of playing games is to show how it works... not to win games that are irrelevant to the discussion and say "well i bested you in this situation, so i know better in this other situation as well"
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On May 25 2011 14:07 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:04 cheesemaster wrote:
I think that was pretty douchey of incontrol to clown on huk for his height after he challenged him to a PVP. How does huk challenging incontrol to a PVP have anything to do with his height, and why would it make it more threatening if huk was taller.
Seems like a pretty insecure comment from incontrol having to go for a low blow like that. It's pretty douchey of Huk to try to end a discussion about strategy with lets play 1v1 because I know I'm better than you.
I dont think thats what he was saying , he was saying lets play some games and try it out see who wins. Thats just an assumption your coming too, incontrol actually did make fun of huks height.
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