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On May 25 2011 14:26 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:24 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:20 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On May 25 2011 14:13 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:11 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:09 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:05 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Mailing wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:
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So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Warp Prisms with speed are as fast as mutalisks, they should never be hit unlike medivacs  then you deploy them to warp-in units.. warp-ins last 5 seconds. warp prism dies in 2.  Nydus Worms take 10 seconds to deploy and announce when they deploy. Also, they can be destroyed by workers. Riddle me that. When the Nydus gets announced, it means units are streaming in your base. the only thing I'm saying is warp prism with speed ain't shit if it's deployed. But the Warp Prism announces nothing! And doesn't cost gas! And it can move! And can't be destroyed by melee units! How can you not see that these 4 players simply haven't even tried heavy Warp Prism play and are just making excuses? This would never fly if Day[9] or IdrA or any other race's player was on. if warp prism is so good then show us! i know i personally cant invent and perfect everything that's possible. go for it man I'm just attempting to show how much potential Warp Prism play has. Please don't resort to "Well, you do it" arguments. If Protoss harassment needs buffing, as you claim, then what is the root problem of it? What part needs a buff? Because right now, I don't even see you or other top Protoss players even trying. Perhaps there is a buff it needs that I don't see, but we can't see that if literally not a single Protoss is attempting to innovate their play. maybe they tried it, it didnt work, and they didnt incorporate it into their play.
Just because it didn't work doesn't mean it's bad. Maybe it works only in specific situation, or maybe the players did lack the required multitasking and micro,
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I just gotta say, I watched the Top 10 by totalbiscuit after you guys mentioned it and that's the greatest thing I've ever seen! LOL!!
unmolested vikings, excellently micromanaged colossi.. haha.
XD
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On May 25 2011 14:26 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:24 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:20 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On May 25 2011 14:13 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:11 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:09 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:05 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Mailing wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:
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So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Warp Prisms with speed are as fast as mutalisks, they should never be hit unlike medivacs then you deploy them to warp-in units.. warp-ins last 5 seconds. warp prism dies in 2. Nydus Worms take 10 seconds to deploy and announce when they deploy. Also, they can be destroyed by workers. Riddle me that. When the Nydus gets announced, it means units are streaming in your base. the only thing I'm saying is warp prism with speed ain't shit if it's deployed. But the Warp Prism announces nothing! And doesn't cost gas! And it can move! And can't be destroyed by melee units! How can you not see that these 4 players simply haven't even tried heavy Warp Prism play and are just making excuses? This would never fly if Day[9] or IdrA or any other race's player was on. if warp prism is so good then show us! i know i personally cant invent and perfect everything that's possible. go for it man I'm just attempting to show how much potential Warp Prism play has. Please don't resort to "Well, you do it" arguments. If Protoss harassment needs buffing, as you claim, then what is the root problem of it? What part needs a buff? Because right now, I don't even see you or other top Protoss players even trying. Perhaps there is a buff it needs that I don't see, but we can't see that if literally not a single Protoss is attempting to innovate their play. maybe they tried it, it didnt work, and they didnt incorporate it into their play.
This is exactly what zerg did with muta/ling/bane compositions vs p for the first year of SC2 and started to play the standard roach/hydra -> corruptor comp.
But apparently mutalisks are reaaaaaalllly good now.
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On May 25 2011 14:20 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:13 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:11 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:09 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:05 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Mailing wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:47 Grimjim wrote:
You have a drop-ship that can make new units instantly. That's the best drop advantage out of the 3 races. It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Warp Prisms with speed are as fast as mutalisks, they should never be hit unlike medivacs then you deploy them to warp-in units.. warp-ins last 5 seconds. warp prism dies in 2. Nydus Worms take 10 seconds to deploy and announce when they deploy. Also, they can be destroyed by workers. Riddle me that. When the Nydus gets announced, it means units are streaming in your base. the only thing I'm saying is warp prism with speed ain't shit if it's deployed. But the Warp Prism announces nothing! And doesn't cost gas! And it can move! And can't be destroyed by melee units! How can you not see that these 4 players simply haven't even tried heavy Warp Prism play and are just making excuses? This would never fly if Day[9] or IdrA or any other race's player was on. if warp prism is so good then show us! i know i personally cant invent and perfect everything that's possible. go for it man
Sounds to me like he was basically just trolling the fact that for months you guys said that zergs just need to use Nydus more to fix zerg balance.
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On May 25 2011 14:23 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:20 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On May 25 2011 14:13 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:11 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:09 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:05 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Mailing wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:On May 25 2011 13:51 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 13:49 Tyrr wrote:
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It also dies when somebody sneezes. So does a Medivac? There's only a 10 HP difference. You're not supposed to be zipping over enemy units anyway. Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Warp Prisms with speed are as fast as mutalisks, they should never be hit unlike medivacs then you deploy them to warp-in units.. warp-ins last 5 seconds. warp prism dies in 2. Nydus Worms take 10 seconds to deploy and announce when they deploy. Also, they can be destroyed by workers. Riddle me that. When the Nydus gets announced, it means units are streaming in your base. the only thing I'm saying is warp prism with speed ain't shit if it's deployed. But the Warp Prism announces nothing! And doesn't cost gas! And it can move! And can't be destroyed by melee units! How can you not see that these 4 players simply haven't even tried heavy Warp Prism play and are just making excuses? This would never fly if Day[9] or IdrA or any other race's player was on. if warp prism is so good then show us! i know i personally cant invent and perfect everything that's possible. go for it man Whitera had a pretty good warp prism strategy in the IPL qualifiers against xi.warden i think. It was actually quite fantastic did a lot of good damage and when it died he even made another one! but he didnt get to use it he won before the second one came out , it was close air positions though i dont think its great in most situations.
it was also incredibly risky. white-ra prolly just knew warden was likely teching, so it worked great.
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On May 25 2011 14:30 DoomsVille wrote:
Pretty underwhelming SOTG tonight so far. This announcement better be good and makeup for it.
Agreed, was hoping for much more with these great guests. lol what a terrible announcement hes leaving, this makes it even more underwhelming =(
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No Geoff on SotG..........................................
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO INCONTROL NOOOOOOOOO
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On May 25 2011 14:29 Grimjim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:26 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 25 2011 14:24 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:20 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On May 25 2011 14:13 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:11 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:09 Grimjim wrote:On May 25 2011 14:05 rXs wrote:On May 25 2011 14:01 Mailing wrote:On May 25 2011 13:58 Tyrr wrote:
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Warp Prism has no armor at all as well, making it die a hell of a lot faster. The ability to warp in units is a moot point if it dies in half a second. Warp Prisms with speed are as fast as mutalisks, they should never be hit unlike medivacs then you deploy them to warp-in units.. warp-ins last 5 seconds. warp prism dies in 2. Nydus Worms take 10 seconds to deploy and announce when they deploy. Also, they can be destroyed by workers. Riddle me that. When the Nydus gets announced, it means units are streaming in your base. the only thing I'm saying is warp prism with speed ain't shit if it's deployed. But the Warp Prism announces nothing! And doesn't cost gas! And it can move! And can't be destroyed by melee units! How can you not see that these 4 players simply haven't even tried heavy Warp Prism play and are just making excuses? This would never fly if Day[9] or IdrA or any other race's player was on. if warp prism is so good then show us! i know i personally cant invent and perfect everything that's possible. go for it man I'm just attempting to show how much potential Warp Prism play has. Please don't resort to "Well, you do it" arguments. If Protoss harassment needs buffing, as you claim, then what is the root problem of it? What part needs a buff? Because right now, I don't even see you or other top Protoss players even trying. Perhaps there is a buff it needs that I don't see, but we can't see that if literally not a single Protoss is attempting to innovate their play. maybe they tried it, it didnt work, and they didnt incorporate it into their play. Then I want to know why it worked! Just like Zergs with Nydus showed how it is clumsy, expensive, unstealthy, and fragile, what aspects of the Warp Prism make it a bad harassment tool? I urge Protoss players to post their findings so we can examine them instead of simply being told it doesn't work.
i haven't seen nydus being clumsy, expensive, unstealthy and fragile. please post your findings so that i can examine them instead of simply telling me that it doesn't work.
see what i did there?
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Brb gonna go cut myself. Geoff we love you <3
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NOOOOOOO!!!! Incontrol
This is so sad T_T
(((
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noooo no more geoff
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/wave geoff
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I'm just attempting to show how much potential Warp Prism play has. Please don't resort to "Well, you do it" arguments. If Protoss harassment needs buffing, as you claim, then what is the root problem of it? What part needs a buff? Because right now, I don't even see you or other top Protoss players even trying.
Perhaps there is a buff it needs that I don't see, but we can't see that if literally not a single Protoss is attempting to innovate their play.
White-Ra uses them fairly often, so it's not like they're unheard of. Off the top of my head, he used them against TLO in the TLOpen, MC in the GSLWC, and somebody in the recent IPL qualifiers. He doesn't use them too often, though, probably for the reasons other people have listed. It's not like pro players haven't tried it, though, you can't accuse them of not giving it a shot.
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What no! Incontrol was the best part about state of the game
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wtf... sotg = incontrol
How can he leave us? :~~
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EPT
