EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1093
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poundcakes
Norway239 Posts
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On May 20 2011 06:26 gregnog wrote: I think your taking Kellys criticism way too far. That interview did little to help the Gaming community, and instead painted us as raging psycho nerds or even an unsalvageable community. When a community overwhelmingly dissaproves of your content, then you just go strip naked for a magazine and then call them psycho nerds what kind of response do you think you will get? While at the same time doing nothing for that community in said interview. I dunno, I just don't see why your all defending her. She obviously dose not care about the quality of her product/content, and would much rather just get naked and laugh at people who offer valid criticism. "I didn't know I had an accent" I am on the fence whether or not I should bother to even respond to you, but here we go. If you look through that thread you found an incredible amount of hate towards a girl who in the interview you say "did little to help the gaming community and painted you as raging pshycho nerds" said "Most guys are nice". She didn't need to say that most people were nice. When you recieve death threats, obscure hate and vile sexism for commentating a league to the best of your ability, then there is something wrong. Especially since this hate got popularized and the norm on this very said forum. I didn't like her commentating, thats one thing. Another thing is to write hatemail and go after her with personal attacks. She didnt really put the community in the worst of light. But I wouldn't really mind if she did. The community was fucking awful to her and the smart people either supporting her work or giving her constructive critizicm was outnumbered by a mob of disgusting thugs. I am not a supporter of her work, but that doesn't mean I look down on her as a person. And your sexism slips through at the end of your post. How does she not care about the quality of her content? If you are offended that she took the offer that they probably approached her with you are beyond ignorant. | ||
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LagT_T
Argentina535 Posts
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kmh
Finland351 Posts
On May 20 2011 07:22 LagT_T wrote: I rofl everytime anyone equalizes any internet message to a death threat. What makes you think it was an internet message? | ||
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LagT_T
Argentina535 Posts
What makes you think it wasn't? | ||
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Atrox
United States30 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On May 20 2011 06:59 Ballack wrote: When you recieve death threats, obscure hate and vile sexism for commentating a league to the best of your ability, then there is something wrong. Especially since this hate got popularized and the norm on this very said forum. Most of the people who posted blatant hate comments were warned and/or banned outright, though. While I do feel some of the warnings should have been bans and that some of the posts that didn't get warned should have been myself, there's little else that "this site" can or should do. Her popularity and image in the community also depends on her. Can you imagine Sean getting in a similar position in the community? Or if you think it's just because she's female, can you imagine Anna getting in a similar position in the community? Or if you think it's because she's a female commentator, Eleine or Soe? Or Khaldor because of the accent? That list literally covers every single reason people claim Kelly is "hated" for - but strangely enough, other people are not (quite the opposite actually). Trying to shove guilt on the whole of TL and Starcraft community and implying that there's something fundamentally wrong here because one person is so widely disliked or that there's this horde of racist, sexist lunatics lurking and waiting for somebody to hate on is clearly misleading and dead wrong. Controversy never helped anyone, and this article is clearly controversial in more ways than one. Everyone who avoids controversy is almost universally liked and respected on TL, regardless of gender or race. Seems like a pretty good guideline to follow to me. | ||
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AxelTVx
Canada916 Posts
On May 19 2011 08:52 Korlinni wrote: It's quite obvious incontrol is still bitter at desRow for that youtube vid. What video is this? | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
If it's an internet message that says "I'm going to kill you" it basically can be consiedered a death threat, or not? It's highly unlikely it's going to happen, but a death threat none the less | ||
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CursedRich
United Kingdom737 Posts
On May 20 2011 09:35 Talin wrote: Most of the people who posted blatant hate comments were warned and/or banned outright, though. While I do feel some of the warnings should have been bans and that some of the posts that didn't get warned should have been myself, there's little else that "this site" can or should do. Her popularity and image in the community also depends on her. Can you imagine Sean getting in a similar position in the community? Or if you think it's just because she's female, can you imagine Anna getting in a similar position in the community? Or if you think it's because she's a female commentator, Eleine or Soe? Or Khaldor because of the accent? That list literally covers every single reason people claim Kelly is "hated" for - but strangely enough, other people are not (quite the opposite actually). Trying to shove guilt on the whole of TL and Starcraft community and implying that there's something fundamentally wrong here because one person is so widely disliked or that there's this horde of racist, sexist lunatics lurking and waiting for somebody to hate on is clearly misleading and dead wrong. Controversy never helped anyone, and this article is clearly controversial in more ways than one. Everyone who avoids controversy is almost universally liked and respected on TL, regardless of gender or race. Seems like a pretty good guideline to follow to me. What exactly does Anna do for the community? And do Incontrol and Idra avoid controversy? Ive nothing against any of them but you cant see youre arse from the trees | ||
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LagT_T
Argentina535 Posts
On May 20 2011 09:48 CursedRich wrote: What exactly does Anna do for the community? And do Incontrol and Idra avoid controversy? Ive nothing against any of them but you cant see youre arse from the trees Anna has this: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=103415 Also the interviews for TL.net @ MLG, and she seems to be always willing to do more. She also stated that once Miss USA is over she'll dedicate more time to esports. Regarding your Incontrol and Idra question, he said that those who avoid controversy are liked. That means that those who don't are either liked, disliked or ignored. See the difference? | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
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gregnog
United States289 Posts
On May 20 2011 06:59 Ballack wrote: I am on the fence whether or not I should bother to even respond to you, but here we go. If you look through that thread you found an incredible amount of hate towards a girl who in the interview you say "did little to help the gaming community and painted you as raging pshycho nerds" said "Most guys are nice". She didn't need to say that most people were nice. When you recieve death threats, obscure hate and vile sexism for commentating a league to the best of your ability, then there is something wrong. Especially since this hate got popularized and the norm on this very said forum. I didn't like her commentating, thats one thing. Another thing is to write hatemail and go after her with personal attacks. She didnt really put the community in the worst of light. But I wouldn't really mind if she did. The community was fucking awful to her and the smart people either supporting her work or giving her constructive critizicm was outnumbered by a mob of disgusting thugs. I am not a supporter of her work, but that doesn't mean I look down on her as a person. And your sexism slips through at the end of your post. How does she not care about the quality of her content? If you are offended that she took the offer that they probably approached her with you are beyond ignorant. Of course she has the right to take any job offer. Every fan also has the right to voice an opinion on what she brings to the table. Normally in the real world when nobody enjoys your product, you get replaced. But if you are a semi attractive female who loves to play the martyr, you are given an opportunity to further your career by getting naked? Its just a funny issue to me. On May 20 2011 07:22 LagT_T wrote: I rofl everytime anyone equalizes any internet message to a death threat. This. I think its funny how internet criticism can bring out the white knight in so many people when its directed towards a female. Its bullshit internet trolling, get over it. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On May 20 2011 16:37 gregnog wrote: Of course she has the right to take any job offer. Every fan also has the right to voice an opinion on what she brings to the table. Normally in the real world when nobody enjoys your product, you get replaced. But if you are a semi attractive female who loves to play the martyr, you are given an opportunity to further your career by getting naked? Its just a funny issue to me. This. I think its funny how internet criticism can bring out the white knight in so many people when its directed towards a female. Its bullshit internet trolling, get over it. Well, the trolls write their bullshit because it gets more reactions than when they write something normal. There is not only outright trolling, but also people that get the urge to exaggerate in their posts to increase the chance to get a reply. Not being able to bear that usually no one will answer is just as thin skinned as the white knight syndrome posters not being able to hold themselves back from reacting. All that exaggerating makes the forum boring. The posters start to feel fake to me, and I do not care to read their stuff anymore. I have no idea how one would go at fixing something like that as a moderator, so I have no suggestions. Someone feeling "real" or "fake" is super subjective, and maybe I am just an idiot. After all, I just started thinking about this issue because of the last few posts in this thread. Before that, I only noticed that I seemed to have more fun lurking on TL in the past than I have now. I do not think I was actually aware that I seem to be dodging some threads nowadays. I just find it not fun to look through the forum when threads get swamped by shitty posts and everyone still posting is mean spirited. I guess I have an agenda and this is why I want to point fingers at shitty posters, regardless of what Kelly Milkies' casting skills and decisions are.  | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
It's so effin awesome, really love listenin to him. | ||
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Tyree
1508 Posts
We live in a world where any half decent looking female usualy has slightly raunchy pictures on her Myspace/Facebook/Whatever, people are used to it, presenting our community as a bunch of sexists and racists is funny to me since this particular community tends to enjoy Korean culture and drool over Kpop female stars (some even male stars!). Most people on TL are young males, we are used to these kinds of pictures, to compare us to men from 1930's or whatever is asinine The thing to remember is that she is not really responsible on how the article was presented and what was being used, i doubt she wanted to smear the community, we all know how journalism works, "ANGRY NERDS WANT TO MURDER INNOCENT GIRL!" is alot more eye catching than "GIRL ON CASTING VIDEOGAMES", just how it is. | ||
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oldahe
Austria534 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On May 19 2011 07:06 Talin wrote: That's not true actually. If anything, that quote gets undeserved good publicity. It's usually misused, or abused to justify all kinds of shit without concern for the consequences. It's a horrible quote, and it's misleading. There is one simple question people have to ask themselves before quoting this. Who profits from this (mis)perception? Advertising companies. On May 19 2011 07:18 Talin wrote:I wasn't trying to start a discussion, but I can't help it. It pains me to see how many people think that taking tips from bloody western entertainment industry is "good" for Starcraft by any stretch of the imagination. It's not. It relies on selling sex, drama, controversy and hate. It's the worst possible direction Starcraft scene can take. Why would anyone want that as a fan? I'm not talking only about Kelly's article when I say this, there's this overwhelming trend of people in this community enjoying controversy and drama and looking forward to it, or even actively promoting and encouraging it. These things are inherently negative. There's no media spin anyone can put on it to make them positive. Thank you for that post. So many people keep on banging about how they want Esports to become oh-so-huge and are simultaneously surprised by all the ill effects of becoming part of the established entertainment industry. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be trying to make SC2 big but if its follows this model, expecting it to turn into anything but a hatefest is naive. P.S. Get Kelly on the show. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On May 20 2011 09:48 FliedLice wrote: If it's an internet message that says "I'm going to kill you" it basically can be consiedered a death threat, or not? It's highly unlikely it's going to happen, but a death threat none the less Ok, then everyone has gotten death threats. When someone loses a game against me it doesnt surprise me when they say something like "i'm gonna kill you" or "die of cancer", it happens. But that's just the internet being the internet, and i wouldnt call them death threats... I can understand when people criticize her for making the community seem like a bunch of idiots. Someone said some mean things online to you, get over it. If they actually went to her in person and told her that they were going to kill her then that's obviously batshit insane. If they just do it online then they're just sad little people, there's a difference. That being said, people should stop hating on her so much, and just chillax a bit about it. There's plenty of people that i dont like, both casters and players. But i dont feel the need to hate on them whenever their name pops up. Really wish you guys had video this week though, i reallyyy wanted to see Sheth  And as always, bring more terrans on. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
Most of the people who posted blatant hate comments were warned and/or banned outright, though. While I do feel some of the warnings should have been bans and that some of the posts that didn't get warned should have been myself, there's little else that "this site" can or should do. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not putting the defilation of this once great community on TL. They are doing a tremendous job. What I was sayin there was to defend Kelly's position and comments in her interview which so many people are hating on her for saying. Also, as a fine fellow posted, the editing of the interview wasn't done by Kelly, I presume. I also want to add, allthough my first post was very direct, I'm not saying this is a piece of shit community. I'm saying the uniqueness of its quality has been stripped away, and now it looks much more like any other gaming community. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On May 20 2011 09:35 Talin wrote: Her popularity and image in the community also depends on her. Can you imagine Sean getting in a similar position in the community? Or if you think it's just because she's female, can you imagine Anna getting in a similar position in the community? Or if you think it's because she's a female commentator, Eleine or Soe? Or Khaldor because of the accent? That list literally covers every single reason people claim Kelly is "hated" for - but strangely enough, other people are not (quite the opposite actually). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What you are pointing out here matters little unless you can pin point what exactly about her deserves all the hate she has been a victim of. Do you know why she got this position? Because hating her became popularized and the people who are unserious and lacks critical thinking threw themselves over it. Serious people will rise above all the maliciousness, and they did that. The veterans of this forum didn't hate on her. What was portrayed in this case was the sheer number of people who are unserious trolls. When that number reaches a certain hight, the community suffers from it. And that is what I believe has happened. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On May 20 2011 09:35 Talin wrote: Trying to shove guilt on the whole of TL and Starcraft community and implying that there's something fundamentally wrong here because one person is so widely disliked or that there's this horde of racist, sexist lunatics lurking and waiting for somebody to hate on is clearly misleading and dead wrong. Controversy never helped anyone, and this article is clearly controversial in more ways than one. Everyone who avoids controversy is almost universally liked and respected on TL, regardless of gender or race. Seems like a pretty good guideline to follow to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again, I'm not trying to shove guilt on anyone, the guilt is on SC2 being released, which was not to be avoided. I only mentioned the lunatics to defend Kelly's comments in that interview. I know that number is quite low and is a fringe element. But the people able to accept and run along with hate towards a person who has done nothing wrong is a big one, thats the issue here. What did Kelly do that was controversial? Please tell me what is so fundamentally wrong with this person. The reality of it is, she got a shitstorm of hate towards here for no apparent reason. Thats a reason good enough to criticize a community. | ||
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