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What I would really like to know is if all diamond divisions are treated equally.
It has been noted before that it seems rather coincidental that a lot of the top players ended up in the same division (There have been a number of explanations for this but none of the them particularly sound).
So how is this related to time it takes to get promoted?
Well, it seems possible that for players that do "well" but not "awesome" the system generates a new division and promotes all players that do similarly "well" to this new division.
Now, for those that do "awesome" rather than generating a new division the system may try to put these players into a preexisting division, which could take much longer. This is because the system likely caps the division size so it may require someone to be demoted to promote the player. Also if it is truly the case that not all divisions are created equally it may wait much longer to determine which division to place the player in.
Note: this is all speculation, however the inconsistent behaviour of the system suggests that it may be using a more complex algorithm than what people are guessing at.
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The system has worked fine for me (I've gone from high plat to mid diamond), though I could see why some would be frustrated. In the last phase of the beta and the last couple weeks in may the system seemed for inflexible like now, and it seemed like at the beginning of the beta the system was very flexible. Why would they change it? Isn't it better to have a more flexible system?
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On August 06 2010 12:06 Looc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:04 btlyger wrote:On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post QFT The point of me bombing wasn't to be a bronze all star. It was to avoid being a total scrubfest in diamond. In beta promotions happened fairly quickly, but in retail they seem to take longer. I bombed mine so i could beat a couple bronze kids, beat some silver, get tested, get promoted, and find my way up to gold/plat. Which is a more fun use of my time, beat a couple unfortunate people then play people my level until i'm where i should be, or lose 30 matches in a row to people who completely outskill me until i get demoted?
Fair point, but now I have a question for you. Which is a more fun use of time: reading a post you made complaining about how you're stuck in Bronze bullying noobs for longer than you planned or scratching my nuts and staring at a wall?
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On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post
Made me lol.
To OP: Who cares. Just play 20 more games and you'll be where you should be. If every noob who goes on a hot streak and wins a few games in a row gets promoted it would take away from the badassery of being in plat/diamond.
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On August 07 2010 05:10 FREEloss_ca wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post Made me lol. To OP: Who cares. Just play 20 more games and you'll be where you should be. If every noob who goes on a hot streak and wins a few games in a row gets promoted it would take away from the badassery of being in plat/diamond.
More truths.
If you failed your placements on purpose, then hell, you deserve where you are.
Besides being scared to be in Diamond sounds like you were too afraid to hang with the big boys anyways :/
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I am still confused with the promotion/placement thing.....first I won 2 games out of 4 in my placement (somehow there is one game that was counted as a loss which was disconnected when loading), and was placed in bronze so I thought I sucked......
And now I won 5 games in a row in the league matches, 1st one against a bronze 1 against silver and gold and the last 3 against plats 2 of them ranked around 20-30 ish and one ranked 13th (and I had no problem in defeating them at all 0_0)
Ive been practicing against AI a lot and studying builds and strategies because I thought I sucked.......and got to the point I can defeat very hard AI without much trouble...
Even then I thought I still sucked...until I realize my last 3 opponents are plats.....
This weird placement thing...its not the best confidence booster.....I guess
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On August 07 2010 04:40 Equalizer wrote:
What I would really like to know is if all diamond divisions are treated equally.
It has been noted before that it seems rather coincidental that a lot of the top players ended up in the same division (There have been a number of explanations for this but none of the them particularly sound).
So how is this related to time it takes to get promoted?
Well, it seems possible that for players that do "well" but not "awesome" the system generates a new division and promotes all players that do similarly "well" to this new division.
Now, for those that do "awesome" rather than generating a new division the system may try to put these players into a preexisting division, which could take much longer. This is because the system likely caps the division size so it may require someone to be demoted to promote the player. Also if it is truly the case that not all divisions are created equally it may wait much longer to determine which division to place the player in.
Note: this is all speculation, however the inconsistent behaviour of the system suggests that it may be using a more complex algorithm than what people are guessing at.
If what your saying is true, can you get moved up in divisions??
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Just keep playing, you act as if playing 24 games after placement is an eternity. In addition you say you're playing against gold and platinum players so the game isn't forcing you to crush bronze players or anything like that so you're still improving your game while embarrassing the platinum player who got beat by a copper "scrub".
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They need to happen less, I got in gold (4-1) at first and after 22 games I was in diamond. It doesnt feel really rewarding this way...
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their fine, often players will have a good/lucky win streak.. you dont want players to be promoted into diamonds simply because of that now do you ? after all, whats the rush? if you feel your better than everyone else in that category then its great news , it means u can farm points and look beast when u enter diamond. Demolishing newbs should be fun shouldn't it?
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on the contrary to the OP, I believe they happen too quickly and easily
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Seriously promotions happen to often... I like how Diamond is invite only but I wish you need at least 50 wins to be considered a promotion into Diamond.
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Promotions don't really matter. When I got promoted to diamond from high platinum, I was still playing the same players (due to MMR). I know people are always raging about not being in the most appropriate league, but you are playing players closer to your skill level than your league proves. So.. suck it up and play.
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It does get frustrating how long it takes. I went on a 12 game winning streak(I was #1 rank platinum every game) last night all against diamond players and every player I have played the last at least 30 games have been diamond.
I have a big record, and its a good winning % too.
http://img442.imageshack.us/i/hmmph.png/
http://img193.imageshack.us/i/hmmph.png/
yay 1054 point platinum~
I know it doesn't matter cuz its just time till it gives me my diamond but I play random and it was really hard to get all 4 leagues to diamond playing random queing solo and this 1v1 hang up is starting to bother me.
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Just read the first page didn't skim thru the other 4 so excuse me if someone already mentioned this.
Promotions/Placements, do not matter a bit, in my opinion. I bombed my placements on purpose, I wanted a slow progression up the ladder because I remembered in beta that once you got in diamond it was 'on'. Their was no slowly getting used to the game, and since the last time I played was 2-3 weeks while beta was live (I'm talking about on release day) I decided to bomb my placement to get into the swing of things..
And it did not even matter, I quickly jumped out of bronze into silver within 5-10 games, and then it kept me at silver forever, and I was facing against diamond players regularly and winning, and finally I lost a game to a high diamond player I guess and then it decided to finally move me along straight to diamond.
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Maybe it is easier to get prometed in the higher leagues then the lower ones. From what some have said they have gone from gold to diamond very quickly.
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I hate it right now. I'm in Platinum and have been since my placements because those were my first games with SC2 since I quit BroodWar. Now I am 60-35 because I finally chose Zerg and figured out my builds and such, I have also been on a 14 game win-streak the past two days and still stuck at #1 in my division in Platinum... Honestly, my games haven't even been a challenge and half the time I am screwing with my opponents.
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Everyone should start in bronze...
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went from silver to gold in 30 games
went from gold to plat in 70 games
still is in plat cause i don't ladder anymore :/
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EPT
