EPTPromotions Take Too Long? - Page 4
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote: Step1. bomb placements Step2. complain about being in bronze Step3. make post I was thinking about bombing them on purpose to get 5-game win streak achievement easy, but then I accidentally won all 5 placements. :s | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On August 07 2010 00:20 WiljushkA wrote: cant say that going 58-1 and 30-0 and not getting promoted from platinum to diamond is "working fine". more like doesnt work at all. yeah a minor flaw in the system which affects 0.00001% of the playerbase and which only increases the time it takes for the visual rating to reflect the real rating def means that its not working at all. madness! bnet0.2 is shit but really, this is way too irrelevant to bitch about. they can change it, most people will never be affected and most people are damn happy with where the system put em. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
I am 28-9 #1 platinum or so, with my last ~20 games being around 17-3 against all diamond players. (did random my first 15, altho going 4-1 in placement but got afew losses as zerg).. Anyways moral of the story, ive basically beaten 17 diamond players in a row with afew cheese losses/a disc in between, yet im still stuck in platinum. Im not quite in the same boat as Cauthonluck, thats retarded, but I feel similar.. I just dont really care for playing more games knowing that all my points are being wasted in platinum and they dont count for anything when I get into diamond. I may have to play another 20 games to see a division switch, then im so far behind the point leaders in diamond because ive been stuck with ~50 games in platinum =/ Idra was having similar issues, and I hate to agree with idra's comments but lately about balance/bnet they have been spot on. This game needs some fixing. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
I was a 600 point gold and I was up against only top diamonds in the end, where I only had a 40%~ win/loss against them I got promoed to diamond with a 27-9 record or so. Long story short, to get promoed win lots of games, then lose 4/5 in a row, then win one... Bam!  | ||
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fatduck
United States148 Posts
On August 07 2010 00:20 WiljushkA wrote: cant say that going 58-1 and 30-0 and not getting promoted from platinum to diamond is "working fine". more like doesnt work at all. I doubt CauthonLuck cries himself to sleep at night because he's platinum instead of diamond. There will be outliers with any system - it's easy to say "but look how obvious it is! he should be in diamond!" but there isn't an army of gnomes in a tree looking at everyone's record and assigning them to leagues/divisions, it's an algorithm that has to work for everyone, and it has to be able to constantly re-evaluate player's league placement over time. While it might seem obvious to you that CauthonLuck should be in diamond, and should stay in diamond, CauthonLuck is just Player #2384723847 to Battle.net. It has to treat everyone equally. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On August 07 2010 00:28 Skyze wrote: I know for myself, its retardedly taking long. I am 28-9 #1 platinum or so, with my last ~20 games being around 17-3 against all diamond players. (did random my first 15, altho going 4-1 in placement but got afew losses as zerg).. Anyways moral of the story, ive basically beaten 17 diamond players in a row with afew cheese losses/a disc in between, yet im still stuck in platinum. Idra was having similar issues, and I hate to agree with idra's comments but lately about balance/bnet they have been spot on. This game needs some fixing. the 4-1 placements keep you down. was the same for me during phase 2 on US. on eu i got promoted to diamond after ~25 games (17-8 or 17-7) but on us it took almost twice as much ~ 45 till i again got promoted straight to diamond. | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On August 07 2010 00:29 Skillz_Man wrote: Pretty much you'll be up against better and better players until you start losing alot. If you only win the system doesn't think it should promote you, but keep giving you stronger opponents because if they promote you by one league, you may very well be better than that. It simply wants to put you in the right place with the first promotion. I was a 600 point gold and I was up against only top diamonds in the end, where I only had a 40%~ win/loss against them I got promoed to diamond with a 27-9 record or so. Long story short, to get promoed win lots of games, then lose 4/5 in a row, then win one... Bam! So basically, since im 28-9 platinum with basically a 15 game winning streak against diamond players recently.. You are saying I should tank 4-5 games in a row, then ill be placed in diamond? I might try this even just to see, cause honestly im sick of all my wins putting points into platinum to the point where i havent played solo for 3 days now. | ||
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Kolanos
United States1 Post
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On August 07 2010 00:31 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: the 4-1 placements keep you down. was the same for me during phase 2 on US. on eu i got promoted to diamond after ~25 games (17-8 or 17-7) but on us it took almost twice as much ~ 45 till i again got promoted straight to diamond. I dont think thats it.. in phase 2 of beta, I messed around on my 2nd account and went 3-2 placements, and got to diamond within 20 games, faster than my 5-0 placement account that had to play 30 games to get to diamond I thought it might have something to do with avg resources/APM, because when I started playing my main race, I got to diamond league way faster than my offrace.. yet I was still winning consistently with both so it wasnt a win total thing.. If anything, I won more games with terran, although my mechanics were poor/avg minerals in the 500 range most games. | ||
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
On August 07 2010 00:30 fatduck wrote: I doubt CauthonLuck cries himself to sleep at night because he's platinum instead of diamond. There will be outliers with any system - it's easy to say "but look how obvious it is! he should be in diamond!" but there isn't an army of gnomes in a tree looking at everyone's record and assigning them to leagues/divisions, it's an algorithm that has to work for everyone, and it has to be able to constantly re-evaluate player's league placement over time. While it might seem obvious to you that CauthonLuck should be in diamond, and should stay in diamond, CauthonLuck is just Player #2384723847 to Battle.net. It has to treat everyone equally. nobody is saying its the end of the world but its bothersome and should be talked about on the forums or else how are they supposed to fix it. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On August 07 2010 00:33 Skyze wrote: So basically, since im 28-9 platinum with basically a 15 game winning streak against diamond players recently.. You are saying I should tank 4-5 games in a row, then ill be placed in diamond? I might try this even just to see, cause honestly im sick of all my wins putting points into platinum to the point where i havent played solo for 3 days now. if you want we can bet money on it ... But yeah, It is how it works. The only way this system won't promote you is if you have a good 75% win rate against top diamond CONSISTENTLY... That's probably the case for Cauthon. | ||
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Crixus
Canada110 Posts
i did the same thing in 2v2 (cuz i wanted my friend to play people at his skill level) but apparently he's lot better than i gave him credit for we threw 5 placement matches then never lost afterwards. We won 25 games in a row and still no promotion | ||
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Nayas
Canada33 Posts
Who knows... | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On August 07 2010 01:02 Nayas wrote: Some people told me that you have to lose 8 games to get promoted ... im at 25-4 and still in plat, not getting promoted to diamond. Who knows... Yes, some people say it's 7-8 and it's justified since I haven't seen a diamond player with less that 8. But just because you have 30 wins and 8 losses won't warrant you a promotion. If you won 30 in a row, lost 8, then won one you would though. | ||
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Xeln4g4
Italy1209 Posts
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Calidus
150 Posts
On August 07 2010 03:06 Xeln4g4 wrote: Does anyone know how the f*****g system work? I mean there is a League and a Ladder there should be some written explanation / rules / explained system of how it really works for promotions in general ... whatever it will be questionable or not ... but at least, it should exists! So we can also check if it's actually working or not. We are stucked at #1 in 2v2 Plat with a good record and points ... but no promotions :/ From watching my roomates 2v2 team they had a ~70% win ratio after 50 games in plat but they never won more than 4 games in a row, but as soon as they won 8 in a row they got bumped to Diamond. From personal experience the the experiences of other the systems like rewarding win streaks. Rumor: going 10-0 in your first 10 games you get put in Diamond? I don't know if this is true i just heard it from a number of poeple. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 07 2010 00:36 Skyze wrote: I dont think thats it.. in phase 2 of beta, I messed around on my 2nd account and went 3-2 placements, and got to diamond within 20 games, faster than my 5-0 placement account that had to play 30 games to get to diamond I thought it might have something to do with avg resources/APM, because when I started playing my main race, I got to diamond league way faster than my offrace.. yet I was still winning consistently with both so it wasnt a win total thing.. If anything, I won more games with terran, although my mechanics were poor/avg minerals in the 500 range most games. It doesn't matter what league you in. If you 100-0 and in Gold or even Plat you will be playing top diamond players. So really only purpose of wanting to be in higher league is to the "I am top of league" effect. Seems leagues aren't such a bad idea then since people care so much about them?  EDIT: If you don't lose you don't go up. The system is constantly trying to see what league you should be in. If you just keep beating guys it will keep trying to match up with higher and higher level guys in order to see where you should be. Once you finally lose a few of those high games it then basically says "He is has a win/loss ratio at this level thus this is the best level for him". If you never lose it will never find where you should be. At least this is the best explanation of the system we have | ||
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