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Do you think that getting a promotion to a higher league takes too long, or do you think it should be longer, or do you feel it is fine as is? I'm currently bronze (i bombed my placements because in beta i won all 5 and got placed in diamond and lost 15 in a row). I'm currently sitting in 2nd in bronze. I'm 20-12. 6 of which were placements (i accidentally quit two in a row). Now heres the fun part, if you were to look at my match history, the vast majority of my opponents are silver and gold even with some platinum and diamonds thrown in. I win most of these even beating a plat or two, yet i am not promoted.
The person in 1st place in my league is currently sitting at 20-9 as i type this, and most of his opponents have also been gold players.
Poll: How Do You Feel About Promotions?They're fine. (844) 72% They need to be more often. (200) 17% They need to happen less. (126) 11% 1170 total votes Your vote: How Do You Feel About Promotions? (Vote): They're fine.
(Vote): They need to be more often.
(Vote): They need to happen less.
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Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post
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On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post
QFT
User was warned for this post
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Well, if you're being matched up with higher-league players already, does it matter much if you aren't promoted?
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On August 06 2010 12:04 btlyger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post QFT
The point of me bombing wasn't to be a bronze all star. It was to avoid being a total scrubfest in diamond. In beta promotions happened fairly quickly, but in retail they seem to take longer. I bombed mine so i could beat a couple bronze kids, beat some silver, get tested, get promoted, and find my way up to gold/plat.
Which is a more fun use of my time, beat a couple unfortunate people then play people my level until i'm where i should be, or lose 30 matches in a row to people who completely outskill me until i get demoted?
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It is true that they don't happen enough though - didn't some players like incontrol and cauthonluck get stuck at platinum #1 for like 50 games or something ridiculous like that?
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On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post
ROFL.
Also OP, I think you need to lose 7 to be promoted. IdrA and other high level players purposely lost 7 games just to move up.
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On August 06 2010 12:06 PhuxPro wrote:
Well, if you're being matched up with higher-league players already, does it matter much if you aren't promoted? I suppose in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't aside from forum trolls pointing out i'm in bronze. I wanted to simply inquire as to what everyone else's thoughts about the current system were.
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I was placed in Gold but I've since been promoted to Platinum and now to Diamond. I've only played about 35 ladder 1v1 games, if anything that seems like too often to me.
I would think that league changes should only be every 100 games or so at least, unless you're doing really really terrible or you're ripping everyone to shreds.
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Pretty sure Browder or someone specifically said Don't bomb your placements, because they tweaked the numbers and made it longer to be promoted compared to beta...
Your fault pretty much for not staying informed.
That being said I got placed in Silver and was promoted to gold within about 5 wins against gold/plat players.
I don't think it really matters personally, if your playing against high gold with a few plat anyway, why does it matter? Other than for e-peen purposes.
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They almost happen to fast for me. Start in gold, get promoted to plat after 10 games, diamond after 20 more or so. And my winrate isn't even all that good.
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On August 06 2010 12:08 Looc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:06 PhuxPro wrote:
Well, if you're being matched up with higher-league players already, does it matter much if you aren't promoted? I suppose in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't aside from forum trolls pointing out i'm in bronze. I wanted to simply inquire as to what everyone else's thoughts about the current system were.
I think it's funny that you're getting rightfully punished for trying to "game" the system.
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On August 06 2010 12:06 Looc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:04 btlyger wrote:On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post QFT The point of me bombing wasn't to be a bronze all star. It was to avoid being a total scrubfest in diamond. In beta promotions happened fairly quickly, but in retail they seem to take longer. I bombed mine so i could beat a couple bronze kids, beat some silver, get tested, get promoted, and find my way up to gold/plat. Which is a more fun use of my time, beat a couple unfortunate people then play people my level until i'm where i should be, or lose 30 matches in a row to people who completely outskill me until i get demoted?
Logic evades you. Assume you care about your record - well going 0-5 off the bat isn't going to help. Assume you don't and just hate losing. Well shit, now you're beating up on a bunch of bronze kids. Being bullied sucks, but being the bully is okay amirite?
Try to be a little less arrogant and do your placements normally. Going 5-0 wasn't a given for you, and even if it happened, you'd end up in platinum - not diamond. The system is designed to level you out and it requires a good sample size to happen.
Lastly, you learn more from losing.
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Okay Okay, i know i'm a big bad man and a sore loser for bombing placements, and it's my fault for not staying informed on the game, however my point is still valid as proved by this picture, i've even checked out some of my friends leagues and there are a lot of examples like this.
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On August 06 2010 12:13 Klamity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:06 Looc wrote:On August 06 2010 12:04 btlyger wrote:On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post QFT The point of me bombing wasn't to be a bronze all star. It was to avoid being a total scrubfest in diamond. In beta promotions happened fairly quickly, but in retail they seem to take longer. I bombed mine so i could beat a couple bronze kids, beat some silver, get tested, get promoted, and find my way up to gold/plat. Which is a more fun use of my time, beat a couple unfortunate people then play people my level until i'm where i should be, or lose 30 matches in a row to people who completely outskill me until i get demoted? Logic evades you. Assume you care about your record - well going 0-5 off the bat isn't going to help. Assume you don't and just hate losing. Well shit, now you're beating up on a bunch of bronze kids. Being bullied sucks, but being the bully is okay amirite? Try to be a little less arrogant and do your placements normally. Going 5-0 wasn't a given for you, and even if it happened, you'd end up in platinum - not diamond. The system is designed to level you out and it requires a good sample size to happen. Lastly, you learn more from losing. Well see, heres the fun thing about match making, if you are in a league you shouldn't be, and steamroll some lesser skilled opponents, they match you up against higher skilled opponents, once again, i did not bomb to be "the bully" i've only had about 4 matches against bronze people, the rest have all been higher leagues. I don't see how me not wanting to spend 3 hours losing constantly and not having any fun is arrogant. Maybe the lines blur when your on a horse.
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The promotion system is garbage. If you're playing against higher level people but you're not being promoted, you're going to have to tank some games. From my experience, I was constantly playing against favored people. After losing a few, I was playing against slightly favored and after winning that game, I was promoted.
edit: Cauthon is going to lose a majority of the points he has when he gets promoted. Very unfortunate.
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bombing placements, thats so stupid
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promotions don't matter too-too much atm since if you're rank 1 plat you'll be fighting diamond anyways.
i actually like the way it is atm, after you get promoted to diamond through plat it's like fuck yea, you feel good everytime that promotion screen pops out
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It's my observation that promotions tend to happen the day after a bunch of successful matches are played. I'd say the promotion algorithm on a schedule so it can populate new divisions in chunks when necessary. Seeing as it's cauthonluck, it's entirely likely he crushed all of those 41 people in like 5 minutes each(especially seeing how crap all the non beta players tend to be), only amounting to a few hours of game time. As long as he was promoted within 24 hours of this screencap, I don't really see there being much of a problem.
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Dude, you have played less than 30 games. Seriously, this is the worst whining thread we've had for the some time.
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They just need to be more consistent. I got promoted at the right time since I was having a 70% win rate vs diamond players. Gretorp has been #1 in my plat division for the entire time with a very high ELO and a massive win loss ratio. They need to rework the formulas.
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Hell no they're not too slow. How long does one of these seasons last? It takes like 2-3 days to get promoted and these seasons are probably gonna last like a month or two. So it would take like a week to get to diamond from bronze (assuming you started and deserve to be in diamond) and then 7 weeks of being in diamond. And it would probably take less because if you tank some games to get promoted and destroy everyone in your others, you'll be promoted in no time.
Two days to get promoted is a very short amount of time considering there are only 5 leagues and that usuallyyou're only going from plat -> diamond or gold -> plat,
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I can't see that promotions take longer than in the beta. I intentionally lost all my placement matches because i figured it would be fun to play some noobs after launch at first before getting my ass kicked in the higher leagues later...
So i started in Bronce and of course everyone was favored against me since battle.net assumed i am a bloody beginner... But instead i won most of the games and now i am Rank 6 in my platinum division after just 40 games...
![[image loading]](http://sc2sig.com/s/eu/522121-1.png)
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Well they changed something about the placement matches as well. I got home saturday morning and thought: time to bash some newbies in placement matches.
In the first game I went for a fun strat and played terrible as a whole. My opponent owned me so hard I just thought what??? placement? Looked at his profile after the game, he was diamond with over 500 points wtf.
The rest of my placement games was also against 3 diamond and 1 plat guy. Went 3-2 overall but still got placed in plat. Could it be that you get stronger opponents in placement matches when you already have a good rating in a team league?
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Promotion system is fucked up. It requires 7 LOSSES to be promoted to diamond. The later you get promoted to diamond, the harder it will be to rank up overall.
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On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post
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The point of placements is so you dont have to bomb games to get matched vs people of your skill. This thread confuses me so badly.
I agree with people saying promotions happen too quickly. Much like the achievement system, I think everything is too easily obtained which cheapens the rewards.
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Over half my Flist is in diamond (including me) and nearly everyone else is Platin, in no way am I or them really good players (for the most part).
If anything this system is way too nice to most people...
Right now, from my experience, i would say everyone that has the 25 win picture (i don't) is in Diamon...
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On August 06 2010 12:06 PhuxPro wrote:
Well, if you're being matched up with higher-league players already, does it matter much if you aren't promoted?
Yea I dont know for sure but I think the real IdrA was in my plat League. He went like 37-2 before he got bumped to Diamond.
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While I really like the way they are now I think it would liven the experience more if there were more leagues,
So you'd constantly level up and down but that requires a lot for the BNET team to look after and keep maintenance of I think.
Still, constant big shiny popups after games of sc2 would make you feel right at home
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I disc'd two of my placement matches, my internet just crapped. Then I got 6 pooled in the face and placed a pylon 1 hex off. Followed by two games from people who could hardly play the game. I ended up bottom silver, after a going back and forth a bit and brief winning streak I think 6 games or so I was promoted to Gold league #2 bombed my first two matches (6 pool) and just bad play on my part. Dropped to 8th was super busy for two days and I came back to SC2 to see I was #18 WTF. Since then I've been hover above the 15 mark.
TL;DR: This system need some improvement.
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Quick question, off topic but how can I get a URL to work in my sig? I saw someone with a nice sig from sc2 sigs or something and I cant figure out how to make it appear?
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On August 06 2010 18:04 red_hq wrote:
I disc'd two of my placement matches, my internet just crapped. Then I got 6 pooled in the face and placed a pylon 1 hex off. Followed by two games from people who could hardly play the game. I ended up bottom silver, after a going back and forth a bit and brief winning streak I think 6 games or so I was promoted to Gold league #2 bombed my first two matches (6 pool) and just bad play on my part. Dropped to 8th was super busy for two days and I came back to SC2 to see I was #18 WTF. Since then I've been hover above the 15 mark.
TL;DR: This system need some improvement.
Uhm...
Looks like it works perfectly fine for you?
You actually lost 3 of your placement games.
Then went on a little winning streak and got promoted.
Where exactly is your problem?
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I think they are fine. Wouldn't be nice to jump around depending on are you having a good or a bad day
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On August 06 2010 18:13 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 18:04 red_hq wrote:
I disc'd two of my placement matches, my internet just crapped. Then I got 6 pooled in the face and placed a pylon 1 hex off. Followed by two games from people who could hardly play the game. I ended up bottom silver, after a going back and forth a bit and brief winning streak I think 6 games or so I was promoted to Gold league #2 bombed my first two matches (6 pool) and just bad play on my part. Dropped to 8th was super busy for two days and I came back to SC2 to see I was #18 WTF. Since then I've been hover above the 15 mark.
TL;DR: This system need some improvement. Uhm... Looks like it works perfectly fine for you? You actually lost 3 of your placement games. Then went on a little winning streak and got promoted. Where exactly is your problem?
He probably thinks that he got demoted from 8th to 18th without him doing anything lol.
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lol CauthonLuck stomping the platinum competition!
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they will make more than 1 rank promotion at a time, if you're beating people way above your rank... so quit complaining.
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Weren't there people who got promoted from copper to plat in p1 of beta (same as bronze to diamond now)?
They stomped their placements then went like 15-5 (10 game winning streak).
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I went 5-0 in my placement matches, and got placed in Platinum. After 19 more games, I was 15-9 and got promoted. So I went 10-9 after placement matches and got promoted to Diamond. Meanwhile notable players have records of 30-0 and such and are still in Platinum. So I'll agree that it's not functioning ideally.
That said, I think it's fine for a couple reasons.
1. The opponents you are matched up with are really no different. When I was winning in Platinum, I was placed against Diamond players, and Platinum players when I was losing. It'll be no different now that I'm in Diamond.
2. I'm guessing they would rather err on the conservative side of promotion, in order to avoid needless promotion/demotion cycles. Also, I'm sure nobody likes being demoted. "Congratulations! You're worse than we initially thought!"
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On August 06 2010 18:47 Dromar wrote:
I went 5-0 in my placement matches, and got placed in Platinum. After 19 more games, I was 15-9 and got promoted. So I went 10-9 after placement matches and got promoted to Diamond. Meanwhile notable players have records of 30-0 and such and are still in Platinum. So I'll agree that it's not functioning ideally.
I think it works great, I want to know what kind of variables come into play when deciding a league.
Obviously it's not just amount of wins and losses, case and point the disconnecter having 60 wins and 0 losses but still in platinum. I think if you go 30-0 and still in plat there's a reason for it, maybe that person only cheeses and never prove themselves to the system.
Well I like how it works.
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The real issue with the system is that Blizzard doesn't want to explain any little thing about it.
So people keep on extrapolating and misunderstanding and if it's not working as they thought it should, then it's because the system has big flaws...
More on topic: it's not that promotion takes too long, it's that the ladder is not live.
As already said, you do play against people in higher leagues, so it's ok.
But you're still Bronze. So there may be many people in the same situation (or the opposite). So what does the small medal before our nicknames mean? Nothing?
It means nothing NOW. But as we only have 1 character everyone will soon be at the right place, for good.
(If they make a complete reset after each season and if it's the same mess regularly, it sucks.)
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Rank Name Points Race Played Won Lost Win Ratio Last Update
1 CauthonLuck 947 47 41 6 87.23% 8 hrs 41 mins ago
2 Nadagast 870 46 37 9 80.43% 7 hrs 19 mins ago
3 mcgavin 865 45 36 9 80.00% 8 hrs 36 mins ago
4 Perplexity 780 49 36 13 73.46% 9 hrs 11 mins ago
5 KirbynatoR 763 40 30 10 75.00% 9 hrs 21 mins ago
6 giX 748 49 36 13 73.46% 8 hrs 39 mins ago
7 oGsOnizukA 747 38 30 8 78.94% 8 hrs 45 mins ago
8 Zefa 740 123 83 40 67.47% 9 hrs 29 mins ago
9 itsmylsttime 731 46 32 14 69.56% 8 hrs 60 mins ago
10 Gretorp 725 35 29 6 82.85% 8 hrs 36 mins ago
Looks like a lot of people get stuck in high platinum, even Gretorp!
edit: well the formatting doesn't hold when i post it, but there's lots of people with 30+ games and almost 75% wins that aren't being promoted.
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the system obviously works just fine, way to go blizzard^^
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On August 06 2010 19:02 jarf1337 wrote:
Rank Name Points Race Played Won Lost Win Ratio Last Update
1 CauthonLuck 947 47 41 6 87.23% 8 hrs 41 mins ago
2 Nadagast 870 46 37 9 80.43% 7 hrs 19 mins ago
3 mcgavin 865 45 36 9 80.00% 8 hrs 36 mins ago
4 Perplexity 780 49 36 13 73.46% 9 hrs 11 mins ago
5 KirbynatoR 763 40 30 10 75.00% 9 hrs 21 mins ago
6 giX 748 49 36 13 73.46% 8 hrs 39 mins ago
7 oGsOnizukA 747 38 30 8 78.94% 8 hrs 45 mins ago
8 Zefa 740 123 83 40 67.47% 9 hrs 29 mins ago
9 itsmylsttime 731 46 32 14 69.56% 8 hrs 60 mins ago
10 Gretorp 725 35 29 6 82.85% 8 hrs 36 mins ago
Looks like a lot of people get stuck in high platinum, even Gretorp!
edit: well the formatting doesn't hold when i post it, but there's lots of people with 30+ games and almost 75% wins that aren't being promoted.
what do you mean even gretorp? cauthonluck is there
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Lol at 58-1. That is just ridiculous. The most embarrasing thing is that once they get promoted they will be still at around 200 points diamond like everyone else. There is simply no use winning games in platinum once you get to like 15 wins. You would be better off by dropping some and getting promotion faster.
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I dont care too much about Leagues, Rankings or Divisions. As long as I have a balanced matchmaking (same strength, some better, some weaker opponents) I am fine.
But what I really would like to have is a number which represents my actual strength, so I can tell wether I am improving or not. The current 'points' are not worth a damn, since they are pimped by this (from my point of view) unnecassary bonus-pool.
I would love to see implemented some kind of TrueSkill Rating which is visible to everyone and can be used to compare different players much like the ELO System in Chess. With this you can also easily check how much better you have to get to get promoted.
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On August 06 2010 18:04 red_hq wrote:
I disc'd two of my placement matches, my internet just crapped. Then I got 6 pooled in the face and placed a pylon 1 hex off. Followed by two games from people who could hardly play the game. I ended up bottom silver, after a going back and forth a bit and brief winning streak I think 6 games or so I was promoted to Gold league #2 bombed my first two matches (6 pool) and just bad play on my part. Dropped to 8th was super busy for two days and I came back to SC2 to see I was #18 WTF. Since then I've been hover above the 15 mark.
TL;DR: This system need some improvement.
Who loses to a six pool?
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totally... my friend that's B+/A iccup rank, and who's been playing beta is placed in platinum, and has 650 points+. i was promoted to diamond around 330 points from platinum.
58-1, 1128 points lol that's ridiculous.
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I got placed in Platinum and felt I didn't belong there, but I decided to soldier on. So I started experimenting with 2gate (10gate10gate -> Zealot push) and how to transition out of it. I still don't know the correct course of action, but I'm already Diamond because it's apparently impossible to defend for anyone in Platinum...
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I don't really see what the big issue is anyways? These players are surely matched against good Diamond players, not other Platinum players. I didn't even get to play 5 games in plat before I started getting matched against Diamonds..
Sure, it's a bit ridiculous, but it doesn't really have any real effect.
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Hey there.
I'm pretty new to SC in general (never played the first one) and I'm doing an hard work to improve. I don't care about ranking (bronze, of course), ladder and so on: I just focus on becoming a better player, and that's it, even if my stats are terrible (well, wins and losses were on par, but yesterday I had a bad 7 loss streak, so...  ).
I do not know if promotions take too long, but I think that it's really the rightest thing that Blizzard could do that promotion requires a LONG time in the case someone loses on purpose to get bronze and do some easy noob bashing, I think that, if someone behaves like that, fearing to battle REAL matches (according to his/her skill), he/she deserves to stay in bronze as long as possible, hopefully months.
I'm really tired, as a noob trying to completely learn the game, to be matched against people that DO know exactly a lot about the game and that WOULD naturally belong to an upper league and stay in bronze only because they made the system assign them there.
Yes, losing a match against a better player always learns something, so I shouldn't moan about being matched against PSEUDO-bronze players that should be in an upper league. That's ok, I accept it, and since I don't care about stat, I've only been playing multiplayer matches since the very first moment after installing the game. But a fact is being matched against such a people once in a while, another one is being matched against them the majority of the times. I'm really sick of this, 'cause it's quite annoying.
So, enjoy your bronze league, PSEUDO-bronze players. Hope you can remain amongst us bronzers (!) for quite a VERY LONG time.
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promotions shouldn't happen too fast but things like this really shouldn't happen:
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let me tell you its freaking frustrating. whats funny is, when we beat the 58-1 team linked above, they got promoted, we didnt. we're gonna have to start dropping games to get promoted  i dunno whats the point of laddering if you have to LOSE to get promoted.
edit: fail link
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I feel the pace at which you climb (or maybe fall) is more or less perfect. I'm not a particularly good player by any stretch of the imagination, but I know my way around I guess. After winning with 5-0 in the placements I got put in gold. Which is pretty damn fine by me. I've since then climbed my way up to diamond and I feel pretty comfortable at where I am now. Getting a run for my money once in a while and having to claw my way there made it feel a lot better than getting "diamonded" right after placement, like it was in the beta. Since it only takes at most a few days worth of playing before you rank up (if you clearly do too good for the league) I feel no one will be able to stick around in a league they don't belong for long (once the ladder has matured a bit I might not belong in diamond, but for now I do comparatively well so whatever).
For the record I believe all matches I've played right before ranking up have been against someone fairly high into the next league.
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On August 06 2010 12:06 Superiorwolf wrote:
It is true that they don't happen enough though - didn't some players like incontrol and cauthonluck get stuck at platinum #1 for like 50 games or something ridiculous like that?
its because they didnt lose. For some strange reason- people only seem to get promoted after a loss.
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The game has been out for weeks...you're (hopefully) going to be playing Starcraft for years. Does it really matter if it takes a while for Battle.net to ascertain your correct placement? It's not actually affecting your matchmaking...do you think CauthonLuck is being matched with 20-18 platinum players? No, he's not, he's being matched with the top players because his hidden ELO is presumably quite high.
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On August 06 2010 23:59 fatduck wrote:
The game has been out for weeks...you're (hopefully) going to be playing Starcraft for years. Does it really matter if it takes a while for Battle.net to ascertain your correct placement? It's not actually affecting your matchmaking...do you think CauthonLuck is being matched with 20-18 platinum players? No, he's not, he's being matched with the top players because his hidden ELO is presumably quite high.
It works like that, but it looks like this hidden ELO is hidden just to make people confuse.
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On August 06 2010 17:03 Apollys wrote:
Promotion system is fucked up. It requires 7 LOSSES to be promoted to diamond. The later you get promoted to diamond, the harder it will be to rank up overall.
I don't understand why you say this. The league you are in no bearing on the players you play against. What matters is your ELO/points. I'm sure CauthonLuck wasnt playing poor nooby platinum players. I'm sure he was playing against very solid diamond players.
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@op dont bomb placements and then cry about the system. "didnt want to be weak and in diamond" blabla. then throw the last game and get placed in gold. you wanted to stomp newbies and now are sad cause youre stuck in your league.
ontopic, works pretty great imho. in both phase 2 and after release i got promoted after about 25 games(17-7 or something). yeah that you need losses is a flaw in the system but not a big one. evryone will eventually lose enough. just needs a bit longer for the ladder rating to match the real rating that way.
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Working fine for me; I started in Gold, got promoted to Platinum after going about 10-3 or so. Oddly, I didn't get promoted on a loss - I got promoted on a win.
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Ask what cauthonluck thinks of the promotion system? He is like 46-4 Platinum with 1000 points.
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cant say that going 58-1 and 30-0 and not getting promoted from platinum to diamond is "working fine". more like doesnt work at all.
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On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post
I was thinking about bombing them on purpose to get 5-game win streak achievement easy, but then I accidentally won all 5 placements. :s
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On August 07 2010 00:20 WiljushkA wrote:
cant say that going 58-1 and 30-0 and not getting promoted from platinum to diamond is "working fine". more like doesnt work at all.
yeah a minor flaw in the system which affects 0.00001% of the playerbase and which only increases the time it takes for the visual rating to reflect the real rating def means that its not working at all. madness!
bnet0.2 is shit but really, this is way too irrelevant to bitch about.
they can change it, most people will never be affected and most people are damn happy with where the system put em.
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I know for myself, its retardedly taking long.
I am 28-9 #1 platinum or so, with my last ~20 games being around 17-3 against all diamond players. (did random my first 15, altho going 4-1 in placement but got afew losses as zerg).. Anyways moral of the story, ive basically beaten 17 diamond players in a row with afew cheese losses/a disc in between, yet im still stuck in platinum.
Im not quite in the same boat as Cauthonluck, thats retarded, but I feel similar.. I just dont really care for playing more games knowing that all my points are being wasted in platinum and they dont count for anything when I get into diamond. I may have to play another 20 games to see a division switch, then im so far behind the point leaders in diamond because ive been stuck with ~50 games in platinum =/
Idra was having similar issues, and I hate to agree with idra's comments but lately about balance/bnet they have been spot on. This game needs some fixing.
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Pretty much you'll be up against better and better players until you start losing alot. If you only win the system doesn't think it should promote you, but keep giving you stronger opponents because if they promote you by one league, you may very well be better than that. It simply wants to put you in the right place with the first promotion.
I was a 600 point gold and I was up against only top diamonds in the end, where I only had a 40%~ win/loss against them I got promoed to diamond with a 27-9 record or so.
Long story short, to get promoed win lots of games, then lose 4/5 in a row, then win one... Bam! 
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On August 07 2010 00:20 WiljushkA wrote:
cant say that going 58-1 and 30-0 and not getting promoted from platinum to diamond is "working fine". more like doesnt work at all.
I doubt CauthonLuck cries himself to sleep at night because he's platinum instead of diamond. There will be outliers with any system - it's easy to say "but look how obvious it is! he should be in diamond!" but there isn't an army of gnomes in a tree looking at everyone's record and assigning them to leagues/divisions, it's an algorithm that has to work for everyone, and it has to be able to constantly re-evaluate player's league placement over time. While it might seem obvious to you that CauthonLuck should be in diamond, and should stay in diamond, CauthonLuck is just Player #2384723847 to Battle.net. It has to treat everyone equally.
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On August 07 2010 00:28 Skyze wrote:
I know for myself, its retardedly taking long.
I am 28-9 #1 platinum or so, with my last ~20 games being around 17-3 against all diamond players. (did random my first 15, altho going 4-1 in placement but got afew losses as zerg).. Anyways moral of the story, ive basically beaten 17 diamond players in a row with afew cheese losses/a disc in between, yet im still stuck in platinum.
Idra was having similar issues, and I hate to agree with idra's comments but lately about balance/bnet they have been spot on. This game needs some fixing.
the 4-1 placements keep you down. was the same for me during phase 2 on US.
on eu i got promoted to diamond after ~25 games (17-8 or 17-7) but on us it took almost twice as much ~ 45 till i again got promoted straight to diamond.
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I got promoted to diamond after losing 2 games to plat players and then winning against a gold player...guess that gold player was really awesome.
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On August 07 2010 00:29 Skillz_Man wrote:Pretty much you'll be up against better and better players until you start losing alot. If you only win the system doesn't think it should promote you, but keep giving you stronger opponents because if they promote you by one league, you may very well be better than that. It simply wants to put you in the right place with the first promotion. I was a 600 point gold and I was up against only top diamonds in the end, where I only had a 40%~ win/loss against them I got promoed to diamond with a 27-9 record or so. Long story short, to get promoed win lots of games, then lose 4/5 in a row, then win one... Bam!
So basically, since im 28-9 platinum with basically a 15 game winning streak against diamond players recently.. You are saying I should tank 4-5 games in a row, then ill be placed in diamond? I might try this even just to see, cause honestly im sick of all my wins putting points into platinum to the point where i havent played solo for 3 days now.
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Play the game for more than a week....then complain about promotions. If you want instant gratification then look to the achievements.
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On August 07 2010 00:31 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 00:28 Skyze wrote:
I know for myself, its retardedly taking long.
I am 28-9 #1 platinum or so, with my last ~20 games being around 17-3 against all diamond players. (did random my first 15, altho going 4-1 in placement but got afew losses as zerg).. Anyways moral of the story, ive basically beaten 17 diamond players in a row with afew cheese losses/a disc in between, yet im still stuck in platinum.
Idra was having similar issues, and I hate to agree with idra's comments but lately about balance/bnet they have been spot on. This game needs some fixing. the 4-1 placements keep you down. was the same for me during phase 2 on US. on eu i got promoted to diamond after ~25 games (17-8 or 17-7) but on us it took almost twice as much ~ 45 till i again got promoted straight to diamond.
I dont think thats it.. in phase 2 of beta, I messed around on my 2nd account and went 3-2 placements, and got to diamond within 20 games, faster than my 5-0 placement account that had to play 30 games to get to diamond
I thought it might have something to do with avg resources/APM, because when I started playing my main race, I got to diamond league way faster than my offrace.. yet I was still winning consistently with both so it wasnt a win total thing.. If anything, I won more games with terran, although my mechanics were poor/avg minerals in the 500 range most games.
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On August 07 2010 00:30 fatduck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 00:20 WiljushkA wrote:
cant say that going 58-1 and 30-0 and not getting promoted from platinum to diamond is "working fine". more like doesnt work at all. I doubt CauthonLuck cries himself to sleep at night because he's platinum instead of diamond. There will be outliers with any system - it's easy to say "but look how obvious it is! he should be in diamond!" but there isn't an army of gnomes in a tree looking at everyone's record and assigning them to leagues/divisions, it's an algorithm that has to work for everyone, and it has to be able to constantly re-evaluate player's league placement over time. While it might seem obvious to you that CauthonLuck should be in diamond, and should stay in diamond, CauthonLuck is just Player #2384723847 to Battle.net. It has to treat everyone equally.
nobody is saying its the end of the world but its bothersome and should be talked about on the forums or else how are they supposed to fix it.
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On August 07 2010 00:33 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 00:29 Skillz_Man wrote:Pretty much you'll be up against better and better players until you start losing alot. If you only win the system doesn't think it should promote you, but keep giving you stronger opponents because if they promote you by one league, you may very well be better than that. It simply wants to put you in the right place with the first promotion. I was a 600 point gold and I was up against only top diamonds in the end, where I only had a 40%~ win/loss against them I got promoed to diamond with a 27-9 record or so. Long story short, to get promoed win lots of games, then lose 4/5 in a row, then win one... Bam! So basically, since im 28-9 platinum with basically a 15 game winning streak against diamond players recently.. You are saying I should tank 4-5 games in a row, then ill be placed in diamond? I might try this even just to see, cause honestly im sick of all my wins putting points into platinum to the point where i havent played solo for 3 days now.
if you want we can bet money on it ... But yeah, It is how it works. The only way this system won't promote you is if you have a good 75% win rate against top diamond CONSISTENTLY... That's probably the case for Cauthon.
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20-9?
i did the same thing in 2v2 (cuz i wanted my friend to play people at his skill level) but apparently he's lot better than i gave him credit for
we threw 5 placement matches then never lost afterwards. We won 25 games in a row and still no promotion
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Some people told me that you have to lose 8 games to get promoted ... im at 25-4 and matched vs diamond player and I am still in plat, not getting promoted to diamond.
Who knows...
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On August 07 2010 01:02 Nayas wrote:
Some people told me that you have to lose 8 games to get promoted ... im at 25-4 and still in plat, not getting promoted to diamond.
Who knows...
Yes, some people say it's 7-8 and it's justified since I haven't seen a diamond player with less that 8. But just because you have 30 wins and 8 losses won't warrant you a promotion. If you won 30 in a row, lost 8, then won one you would though.
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Does anyone know how the f*****g system work? I mean there is a League and a Ladder there should be some written explanation / rules / explained system of how it really works for promotions in general ... whatever it will be questionable or not ... but at least, it should exists! So we can also check if it's actually working or not. We are stucked at #1 in 2v2 Plat with a good record and points ... but no promotions :/
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On August 07 2010 03:06 Xeln4g4 wrote:
Does anyone know how the f*****g system work? I mean there is a League and a Ladder there should be some written explanation / rules / explained system of how it really works for promotions in general ... whatever it will be questionable or not ... but at least, it should exists! So we can also check if it's actually working or not. We are stucked at #1 in 2v2 Plat with a good record and points ... but no promotions :/
From watching my roomates 2v2 team they had a ~70% win ratio after 50 games in plat but they never won more than 4 games in a row, but as soon as they won 8 in a row they got bumped to Diamond. From personal experience the the experiences of other the systems like rewarding win streaks.
Rumor: going 10-0 in your first 10 games you get put in Diamond? I don't know if this is true i just heard it from a number of poeple.
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On August 07 2010 00:36 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 00:31 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On August 07 2010 00:28 Skyze wrote:
I know for myself, its retardedly taking long.
I am 28-9 #1 platinum or so, with my last ~20 games being around 17-3 against all diamond players. (did random my first 15, altho going 4-1 in placement but got afew losses as zerg).. Anyways moral of the story, ive basically beaten 17 diamond players in a row with afew cheese losses/a disc in between, yet im still stuck in platinum.
Idra was having similar issues, and I hate to agree with idra's comments but lately about balance/bnet they have been spot on. This game needs some fixing. the 4-1 placements keep you down. was the same for me during phase 2 on US. on eu i got promoted to diamond after ~25 games (17-8 or 17-7) but on us it took almost twice as much ~ 45 till i again got promoted straight to diamond. I dont think thats it.. in phase 2 of beta, I messed around on my 2nd account and went 3-2 placements, and got to diamond within 20 games, faster than my 5-0 placement account that had to play 30 games to get to diamond I thought it might have something to do with avg resources/APM, because when I started playing my main race, I got to diamond league way faster than my offrace.. yet I was still winning consistently with both so it wasnt a win total thing.. If anything, I won more games with terran, although my mechanics were poor/avg minerals in the 500 range most games.
It doesn't matter what league you in. If you 100-0 and in Gold or even Plat you will be playing top diamond players. So really only purpose of wanting to be in higher league is to the "I am top of league" effect. Seems leagues aren't such a bad idea then since people care so much about them?
EDIT: If you don't lose you don't go up. The system is constantly trying to see what league you should be in. If you just keep beating guys it will keep trying to match up with higher and higher level guys in order to see where you should be. Once you finally lose a few of those high games it then basically says "He is has a win/loss ratio at this level thus this is the best level for him". If you never lose it will never find where you should be. At least this is the best explanation of the system we have
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What I would really like to know is if all diamond divisions are treated equally.
It has been noted before that it seems rather coincidental that a lot of the top players ended up in the same division (There have been a number of explanations for this but none of the them particularly sound).
So how is this related to time it takes to get promoted?
Well, it seems possible that for players that do "well" but not "awesome" the system generates a new division and promotes all players that do similarly "well" to this new division.
Now, for those that do "awesome" rather than generating a new division the system may try to put these players into a preexisting division, which could take much longer. This is because the system likely caps the division size so it may require someone to be demoted to promote the player. Also if it is truly the case that not all divisions are created equally it may wait much longer to determine which division to place the player in.
Note: this is all speculation, however the inconsistent behaviour of the system suggests that it may be using a more complex algorithm than what people are guessing at.
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The system has worked fine for me (I've gone from high plat to mid diamond), though I could see why some would be frustrated. In the last phase of the beta and the last couple weeks in may the system seemed for inflexible like now, and it seemed like at the beginning of the beta the system was very flexible. Why would they change it? Isn't it better to have a more flexible system?
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On August 06 2010 12:06 Looc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:04 btlyger wrote:On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post QFT The point of me bombing wasn't to be a bronze all star. It was to avoid being a total scrubfest in diamond. In beta promotions happened fairly quickly, but in retail they seem to take longer. I bombed mine so i could beat a couple bronze kids, beat some silver, get tested, get promoted, and find my way up to gold/plat. Which is a more fun use of my time, beat a couple unfortunate people then play people my level until i'm where i should be, or lose 30 matches in a row to people who completely outskill me until i get demoted?
Fair point, but now I have a question for you. Which is a more fun use of time: reading a post you made complaining about how you're stuck in Bronze bullying noobs for longer than you planned or scratching my nuts and staring at a wall?
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On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post
Made me lol.
To OP: Who cares. Just play 20 more games and you'll be where you should be. If every noob who goes on a hot streak and wins a few games in a row gets promoted it would take away from the badassery of being in plat/diamond.
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On August 07 2010 05:10 FREEloss_ca wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post Made me lol. To OP: Who cares. Just play 20 more games and you'll be where you should be. If every noob who goes on a hot streak and wins a few games in a row gets promoted it would take away from the badassery of being in plat/diamond.
More truths.
If you failed your placements on purpose, then hell, you deserve where you are.
Besides being scared to be in Diamond sounds like you were too afraid to hang with the big boys anyways :/
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I am still confused with the promotion/placement thing.....first I won 2 games out of 4 in my placement (somehow there is one game that was counted as a loss which was disconnected when loading), and was placed in bronze so I thought I sucked......
And now I won 5 games in a row in the league matches, 1st one against a bronze 1 against silver and gold and the last 3 against plats 2 of them ranked around 20-30 ish and one ranked 13th (and I had no problem in defeating them at all 0_0)
Ive been practicing against AI a lot and studying builds and strategies because I thought I sucked.......and got to the point I can defeat very hard AI without much trouble...
Even then I thought I still sucked...until I realize my last 3 opponents are plats.....
This weird placement thing...its not the best confidence booster.....I guess
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On August 07 2010 04:40 Equalizer wrote:
What I would really like to know is if all diamond divisions are treated equally.
It has been noted before that it seems rather coincidental that a lot of the top players ended up in the same division (There have been a number of explanations for this but none of the them particularly sound).
So how is this related to time it takes to get promoted?
Well, it seems possible that for players that do "well" but not "awesome" the system generates a new division and promotes all players that do similarly "well" to this new division.
Now, for those that do "awesome" rather than generating a new division the system may try to put these players into a preexisting division, which could take much longer. This is because the system likely caps the division size so it may require someone to be demoted to promote the player. Also if it is truly the case that not all divisions are created equally it may wait much longer to determine which division to place the player in.
Note: this is all speculation, however the inconsistent behaviour of the system suggests that it may be using a more complex algorithm than what people are guessing at.
If what your saying is true, can you get moved up in divisions??
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Just keep playing, you act as if playing 24 games after placement is an eternity. In addition you say you're playing against gold and platinum players so the game isn't forcing you to crush bronze players or anything like that so you're still improving your game while embarrassing the platinum player who got beat by a copper "scrub".
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They need to happen less, I got in gold (4-1) at first and after 22 games I was in diamond. It doesnt feel really rewarding this way...
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their fine, often players will have a good/lucky win streak.. you dont want players to be promoted into diamonds simply because of that now do you ? after all, whats the rush? if you feel your better than everyone else in that category then its great news , it means u can farm points and look beast when u enter diamond. Demolishing newbs should be fun shouldn't it?
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on the contrary to the OP, I believe they happen too quickly and easily
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Seriously promotions happen to often... I like how Diamond is invite only but I wish you need at least 50 wins to be considered a promotion into Diamond.
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Promotions don't really matter. When I got promoted to diamond from high platinum, I was still playing the same players (due to MMR). I know people are always raging about not being in the most appropriate league, but you are playing players closer to your skill level than your league proves. So.. suck it up and play.
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It does get frustrating how long it takes. I went on a 12 game winning streak(I was #1 rank platinum every game) last night all against diamond players and every player I have played the last at least 30 games have been diamond.
I have a big record, and its a good winning % too.
http://img442.imageshack.us/i/hmmph.png/
http://img193.imageshack.us/i/hmmph.png/
yay 1054 point platinum~
I know it doesn't matter cuz its just time till it gives me my diamond but I play random and it was really hard to get all 4 leagues to diamond playing random queing solo and this 1v1 hang up is starting to bother me.
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Just read the first page didn't skim thru the other 4 so excuse me if someone already mentioned this.
Promotions/Placements, do not matter a bit, in my opinion. I bombed my placements on purpose, I wanted a slow progression up the ladder because I remembered in beta that once you got in diamond it was 'on'. Their was no slowly getting used to the game, and since the last time I played was 2-3 weeks while beta was live (I'm talking about on release day) I decided to bomb my placement to get into the swing of things..
And it did not even matter, I quickly jumped out of bronze into silver within 5-10 games, and then it kept me at silver forever, and I was facing against diamond players regularly and winning, and finally I lost a game to a high diamond player I guess and then it decided to finally move me along straight to diamond.
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Maybe it is easier to get prometed in the higher leagues then the lower ones. From what some have said they have gone from gold to diamond very quickly.
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I hate it right now. I'm in Platinum and have been since my placements because those were my first games with SC2 since I quit BroodWar. Now I am 60-35 because I finally chose Zerg and figured out my builds and such, I have also been on a 14 game win-streak the past two days and still stuck at #1 in my division in Platinum... Honestly, my games haven't even been a challenge and half the time I am screwing with my opponents.
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Everyone should start in bronze...
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went from silver to gold in 30 games
went from gold to plat in 70 games
still is in plat cause i don't ladder anymore :/
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I got up to 1200 points in bronze before being promoted today. I am a terrible player, but I was playing silver, gold and plat players for a week or so with over 50% win before the system finally decided it was time.
I'm in a new league created today, which makes me wonder, are they actually relegating people who are at the bottom of tables, or is the only way up?
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you really can't complain after intentionally throwing your placements.
also if u read the thread on promotion, you would know the system is just still building a matchmaking profile on you, you've played too few games. just play some more games, you'll get promoted up most likely to gold or higher if what u say is true.
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You only played 36 games. you're not gonna get promoted that soon. also, you get promoted based on consistency not so much winrate; you also get promoted all at once, rather than one league at a time. So for all you know, you may jump straight to gold or something once u do get promoted.
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I'm top in my gold division. I'm playing players in both platinum and gold skill and I'm having some really fun and challenging games. Honestly even though I'd really like to be promoted, the only thing that I would be gaining is the badge of that gay silver bird on my profile.
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If promoting was simply too easy to pull off, same would apply for getting demoted. I think it'll make everyone a little too restless at that point =P
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It definitely takes too long to be promoted after placements.
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In 70 games I got from Gold to Diamond ...so the promotion system is fine .
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It's fine as it is imo. The exceptions are when it keeps you from being advanced because you need to get some losses first, that stuff is dumb.
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I think the main problem is if you don't have a stable record it's hard to move up. It took me 130 games to move from gold to platinum, even though I was winning about 60% of them, and it was matching me with high platinum players as "even match". My problem was I'd have something like a win streak of 9 games, then a few games later I would lose 6 games in a row, so even though on average, I was winning more my sigma was presumably very high :S
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I feel like the whole you gotta lose so many games before you get promoted is kind of dumb. Why should a player be punished for being skilled or being misplaced in a division due to random placement loss/disconnect/etc. Also, I don't think demotions happen enough, if at all. If those 2 things were tweaked I think it would be fine.
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Took me ~20 games, including placements, to get into diamond. Fast enough for me.
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im not really sure how the system works. im ranked 20ish in gold. for me to get on top of my ladder i would have to play and win like 30 games. as a casual player ill never get to do this.
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On September 13 2010 07:32 TrialanError wrote:
Just read the first page didn't skim thru the other 4 so excuse me if someone already mentioned this.
Promotions/Placements, do not matter a bit, in my opinion. I bombed my placements on purpose, I wanted a slow progression up the ladder because I remembered in beta that once you got in diamond it was 'on'. Their was no slowly getting used to the game, and since the last time I played was 2-3 weeks while beta was live (I'm talking about on release day) I decided to bomb my placement to get into the swing of things..
And it did not even matter, I quickly jumped out of bronze into silver within 5-10 games, and then it kept me at silver forever, and I was facing against diamond players regularly and winning, and finally I lost a game to a high diamond player I guess and then it decided to finally move me along straight to diamond.
you went from silver to diamond? i didnt know this was possible. is that because it does promotions in waves? where you rank 1 silver when you got promoted?
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Ok so great news. 150 games later, playing as random...
It promoted me from rank1 plat to rank 2 Diamond with 780 points. lol.
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I've been recently promoted out of silver to gold, and from gold to plat, both "deciding" games went exactly the same, and it may be able to shed some insight on how this works.
I would win several games in a row against "favored" or "even matched opponents" and the rank of the people I played would go up, as I lost matches, their rank would go down, and I would see "even match" more often, after a few games of "even match" I got a "Favored", I beat him, and moved up. Both times they were favored, rank one in the division above me, and after several "even match" games.
In short, I think the matchmaking system has to get a good "feel" for your level, matching you up with all sorts of people, and you have to lose (rightfully hopefully, I think throwing games will screw the system) so it can actually give you "Even match" opponents. If you keep winning, the game doesn't know where you're at.
Also I think it's a common misconception that if you play higher ranked players than you, that the have intentions on moving you up. All this means is that they have a similar "hidden elo" to yours, which is completely separate from their league system.
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I think they simply need to add a new division or introduce some sort of pro division that comes by some calculation other then win percent, maybe invite only?
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It works tbh, blizzard AM system and leagues works great.
The divisions though -_-
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I've been in the top 5 of my bornze division fora bout a week now and rank one for the past 3 days (might have gone down now though as i havent played since friday) any way I have played around the 130 mark and I'm yet to be promoted have more wins than loses. I'm playing silver people the occasional golds, so thats cool, just find it frustrating that I'm yet to be moved on.. ah well, may aswell play more games, I asusme it will come sometime soon.
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On August 06 2010 12:09 Frozenzen wrote:
They almost happen to fast for me. Start in gold, get promoted to plat after 10 games, diamond after 20 more or so. And my winrate isn't even all that good.
Shoving everyone into Diamond is a bad choice by Blizzard as such a top-heavy distribution will not allow you any distinction between the decent and the really really good players.
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I hate how you have to lose matches to get promoted..
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it got much faster after the retail launch. i got promoted while at rank 8 or so. instead of rank 1-2
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this is simple enough, get a winning rate of 55-65% against diamond players... within 22 games, and at least lose 7 of them, u get promoted like that. If u go 16-6 or 17-5, no promotion for you.
I would like a pro to test my theory like this.. " play 5 placement, make it to platinum, lose 6 games in a row, making it to 7 loses at least, and win the rest " if my theory is right, u should get promoted on ur game 22.
Edit: it should apply for 2v2 teams too.. since the lowest in diamond played 22 games.
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So long as they make demotions more likely
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Do you think that getting a promotion to a higher league takes too long, or do you think it should be longer, or do you feel it is fine as is?
Other - We should be able to see our hidden matchmaking ratings (or an approximation of them) so that we know how far we actually are from being promoted/demoted.
I think the main most reason people (Not necessarily the OP) think they are overdue a promotion is because they're high up in their ladder division, but that's based on a points system that bears no relation to the hidden MMR, and it's the hidden MMR that decides whether you're being promoted or not.
I was #1 in my silver league at one point (literally for a whole 1 game - I won to get #1, then lost and fell to #3 I think), and haven't been outside the top 10 since I got in there about 3 weeks ago, but clearly my MMR is insufficient for me to gain promotion to the gold league. I must be getting my wins (and therefore points) against silver- and bronze-quality players and losing to the gold-quality players.
It's not that it takes too long; it's that I'm not good enough - but my high ladder position fools me into thinking that I'm closer to promotion than I actually am. If MMR (or its proxy) were the basis of ladder position, players would know exactly how much better they needed to get in order to gain promotion, and promotions would happen exactly as often as it appeared they should. It's the mistaken appearance of being better than we are, due to the ladder points system, that makes promotions seem delayed.
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Does your "league" even matter for matchup purposes?
I got placed in Platinum after 5-0 but 75% of the games I've played since have been vs. top 10 Diamond players.
Seems like because I am in Platinum I should mostly be playing people in Platinum with a few lower ranked Diamonds thrown in but actually the hidden MMR is determining who I play.
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Does it have to be 7~ losses in a row?
I threw my matches for the 15 1v1 in a row achievement.
I am currently 1400+ points rank 1 bronze, and I've been facing 90% diamond(mid rank) with the odd plat thrown in. My record is around 34 and 15~ (including the thrown matches), so I have lost 10 matches along the way but yet to be promoted.
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there is no achievement for 15 win streak... 5 max
Edit: and no, it doesn't need to be in a row, actualy, it shouldn't
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On September 13 2010 10:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
You only played 36 games. you're not gonna get promoted that soon. also, you get promoted based on consistency not so much winrate; you also get promoted all at once, rather than one league at a time. So for all you know, you may jump straight to gold or something once u do get promoted.
It is definately not true that you only get promoted all at once... I went Bronze to Silver to Gold to Platinum to Diamond... It is true that your league really doesn't matter though, I'm ~800 Diamond and I still get Gold and Platinum opponents who are favored vs me sometimes...
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I always got promoted in a reasonable fashion. With my first account I just jumped right into placement (without being beta expirienced) and ended up in bronze, i got promoted after 5 games in bronze and about 30 in silver. I was 1. of my gold division for like two days and got promoted from 2. place platin to diamond...
On my second account (playing random as opposed to terran) I was placed in silver but was again promoted from like rank 70 with about 200 points after 5 or 6 games to gold and had finally laddered up to 770 diamond via ~600 gold and ~940 platin (right before promotion) in 130 games.
To me that looks reasonable... I guess there are extreme cases where it takes too long, but then I wouldn't "confuse" the system by trying to "trick" it with 7 loss streaks or anything like that.
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On August 06 2010 12:01 Looc wrote:Do you think that getting a promotion to a higher league takes too long, or do you think it should be longer, or do you feel it is fine as is? I'm currently bronze (i bombed my placements because in beta i won all 5 and got placed in diamond and lost 15 in a row). I'm currently sitting in 2nd in bronze. I'm 20-12. 6 of which were placements (i accidentally quit two in a row). Now heres the fun part, if you were to look at my match history, the vast majority of my opponents are silver and gold even with some platinum and diamonds thrown in. I win most of these even beating a plat or two, yet i am not promoted. The person in 1st place in my league is currently sitting at 20-9 as i type this, and most of his opponents have also been gold players. Poll: How Do You Feel About Promotions?They're fine. (844) 72% They need to be more often. (200) 17% They need to happen less. (126) 11% 1170 total votes Your vote: How Do You Feel About Promotions? (Vote): They're fine.
(Vote): They need to be more often.
(Vote): They need to happen less.
There are so many things wrong with this post.. lets start with the first blaring falsehood. You don't win 5 placement matches and get into diamond the highest you can place into is platinum. Next becuase you have played so few games the system has no measure of your "true" strength as a player so it will give you a mixmatch of players judging you based on your success or lack of success at each range.. then it adjusts fire accordingly.. by the time you hit 100 or so games played it has a fair and accurate way to judge where you should be and have you placed there.
People all the time bitch about getting placed against people in higher leagues.. this is a good thing.. your risking very little points for a bigger gain.. given you have less chance of success. BUT you will NEVER get better playing the same scrubs in your own league becuase they will do the same bogus allin's and cheese over and over again poorly executed by your local silver level player.
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went 3-2 placements (1 disconnect), placed gold. played 20 game, promoted to diamond. works ok on my end, maybe too fast. 60% of the diamond players I've played so far just banshee/voidray rushed and then fell apart when I didn't die.
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You're not promoted because you bombed your placement matches. If you really did win against gold players, the system is *really* unsure what kind of skillset you have. The less sure the system is, the less likely you're gonna get bumped up. Basically you screwed yourself by throwing your placements.
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If you placed bronze, you should be able to rise out of your division quickly (if you are higher-tier material, that is). It will place you against someone in a higher division to test if you're ready to be promoted. Winning that game will place you likely against someone of that same division, or possibly someone two divisions higher than you're currently at. I'm under the impression Blizzard looks at your win/loss ratio every # of games, then makes the decision to promote you or not (hence some people being promoted following a loss).
Good luck, I've heard of people skipping a division (i.e.: Bronze -> Gold), but never confirmed it.
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I think they go just fast enough, if not a bit too fast. I go for a good 100 games in plat,near the end (like last 10 games) winning most against diamonds, but winning against 5 diamonds with rush strategys (DT rush, 2gate into voids, korean 4gate) shouldn't make me be in diamond.
I miss plat already T_T
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On September 14 2010 04:17 Meldrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:01 Looc wrote:Do you think that getting a promotion to a higher league takes too long, or do you think it should be longer, or do you feel it is fine as is? I'm currently bronze (i bombed my placements because in beta i won all 5 and got placed in diamond and lost 15 in a row). I'm currently sitting in 2nd in bronze. I'm 20-12. 6 of which were placements (i accidentally quit two in a row). Now heres the fun part, if you were to look at my match history, the vast majority of my opponents are silver and gold even with some platinum and diamonds thrown in. I win most of these even beating a plat or two, yet i am not promoted. The person in 1st place in my league is currently sitting at 20-9 as i type this, and most of his opponents have also been gold players. Poll: How Do You Feel About Promotions?They're fine. (844) 72% They need to be more often. (200) 17% They need to happen less. (126) 11% 1170 total votes Your vote: How Do You Feel About Promotions? (Vote): They're fine.
(Vote): They need to be more often.
(Vote): They need to happen less.
There are so many things wrong with this post.. lets start with the first blaring falsehood. You don't win 5 placement matches and get into diamond the highest you can place into is platinum. Next becuase you have played so few games the system has no measure of your "true" strength as a player so it will give you a mixmatch of players judging you based on your success or lack of success at each range.. then it adjusts fire accordingly.. by the time you hit 100 or so games played it has a fair and accurate way to judge where you should be and have you placed there. People all the time bitch about getting placed against people in higher leagues.. this is a good thing.. your risking very little points for a bigger gain.. given you have less chance of success. BUT you will NEVER get better playing the same scrubs in your own league becuase they will do the same bogus allin's and cheese over and over again poorly executed by your local silver level player.
Actually he said in the beta, and in the beta it was possibly to get straight into diamond league from your placements early in.
Edit: Or maybe im thinking of before there was diamond..
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I'm stuck in silver, and people tell me I play like a plat player- although personally I feel more like a gold player.
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United States4126 Posts
The time varies for everyone but usually people with higher winrates take longer because the system isn't sure about their skill level. Read the ladder analysis thread.
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I'll post my scenario, I did my placements when I first started playing, not having played the beta or SC1 I was pretty bad, got put into silver league. I started playing 2v2 and 3v3 with friends, watching replays and vods, etc. so naturally I got better at the game. So now I am plat in 3s and 2s (probably about to be diamond actually) but I am still silver in 1v1. However the game puts me against diamond players every game, I win about 40 points a win, and lose 3-4 when I lose. Now why I am still in silver is beyond me, I wish you could see your hidden rating at least like you could in WoW.
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i moved up very fast, placed in gold then was in diamond after like 20-30 games
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On September 14 2010 03:36 Kryptix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2010 10:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
You only played 36 games. you're not gonna get promoted that soon. also, you get promoted based on consistency not so much winrate; you also get promoted all at once, rather than one league at a time. So for all you know, you may jump straight to gold or something once u do get promoted. It is definately not true that you only get promoted all at once... I went Bronze to Silver to Gold to Platinum to Diamond... It is true that your league really doesn't matter though, I'm ~800 Diamond and I still get Gold and Platinum opponents who are favored vs me sometimes...
No, it might be possible actually to jump more than 1 league at once. I assume we're talking about 1v1, but it's happened to me in 3v3. Just because it didn't happen to you, it does not make it 'defin[i]tely not true' --- nice logic you have going there.
I was playing random 3v3. Had a bad streak of horrible team mates and was going at something like 8-10 while placing in Silver. Then from there I was owning left and right and got to 26-12. That's going 18-4 and I had no promotion. Out of 100 people in my division, there was only one other person with over 50% winrate, and that was a measly 12-11. And in fact most people in there had a 30-40% winrate. How could I be stuck in silver still? Especially when most of my opponents (who I was mostly beating) were all Diamonds and Plats.
Then today I started losing. From 26-12, I went LWLWLWLLLW. On my last win it jumped straight from Silver to Diamond --- three leagues in one hit! I was surprised to say the least.
I haven't heard of anyone jumping from Silver to Diamond in 1v1 yet though, I wonder if it's happened before.
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The promotions definitely takes too long. With my zerg account I'm at 99 percentile in platinum according to sc2ranks, over 900pts, with an over 50% ratio (132-117 atm), and I've beaten at least 7 diamond players who on average I think are around 600 pts but I've beaten some that are close to 800 pts, and still stuck in platinum. I've played well over 200 games. I'd much rather be a low ranked diamond than a high ranked platinum...
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On August 06 2010 12:01 Looc wrote:
Do you think that getting a promotion to a higher league takes too long, or do you think it should be longer, or do you feel it is fine as is? I'm currently bronze (i bombed my placements because in beta i won all 5 and got placed in diamond and lost 15 in a row). I'm currently sitting in 2nd in bronze. I'm 20-12. 6 of which were placements (i accidentally quit two in a row). Now heres the fun part, if you were to look at my match history, the vast majority of my opponents are silver and gold even with some platinum and diamonds thrown in. I win most of these even beating a plat or two, yet i am not promoted.
The person in 1st place in my league is currently sitting at 20-9 as i type this, and most of his opponents have also been gold players.
first off loc the placement match's 5/0 only put u in platinum league now not diamond like beta.
second off if u tank ur placement match's and get stuck in bronze thats ur own fault. fact of the matter is even if u tank ur placement matchs then win 50 games in a row then loose a game u'll be matched up against harder and harder match's and be placed from gold into diamond.
the only flaw in the system that i've found is having to lose to get promoted.
other then thats its working as intended
you see i tanked my placement matchs and after about 10 games or so it kept putting me against diamond players because my hidden mmr was doing what it was suppost too... i was kinda pissed because i wanted to newb stomp but i kept getting diamond players over n over. mind you i crushed the diamond players too but i wanted to fuck around and do things like mothership rush's and infestor rush's ect for fun. when i noticed all i was getting was diamond players i had to play standard instead of messing around.
and after say 25 games i was put into platinum then 35 into diamond
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On September 18 2010 23:17 Dionyseus wrote:
The promotions definitely takes too long. With my zerg account I'm at 99 percentile in platinum according to sc2ranks, over 900pts, with an over 50% ratio (132-117 atm), and I've beaten at least 7 diamond players who on average I think are around 600 pts but I've beaten some that are close to 800 pts, and still stuck in platinum. I've played well over 200 games. I'd much rather be a low ranked diamond than a high ranked platinum...
i bet the reason ur not getting promoted is because ur not consistent. saying ur 900 in platinum is just saying uve used up all ur bonus pool. ur MMR is prolly mid-high platinum level and not low diamond level. therefor it will put u against mostly platinum players and sometimes diamond or gold. if u beat some 600 diamond player very rarely but loose to a bunch of platinum players its doing its job. lucky wins im guessing.
so basically ur saying: my bonus pool makes me think im better then i am. 50% win ratio is garbage why arent i getting promoted. i've beaten a 600 diamond player doing a 4 gate or 7 pool. but i keep loosing late game to platinum players.... QQ
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On September 18 2010 23:17 Dionyseus wrote:
The promotions definitely takes too long. With my zerg account I'm at 99 percentile in platinum according to sc2ranks, over 900pts, with an over 50% ratio (132-117 atm), and I've beaten at least 7 diamond players who on average I think are around 600 pts but I've beaten some that are close to 800 pts, and still stuck in platinum. I've played well over 200 games. I'd much rather be a low ranked diamond than a high ranked platinum...
You dont only need to beat 7 diamond players do become diamond leage, your win/loss ratio has to be more close to 50% playing against diamond than playing against plat or lower.
Expample:
against platinum: 55% win/loss
against diamond: 44% win/loss
the system wont promote you into diamond. Every now and then you will face diamond opponents, and you will beat many of them, but you still will be platinum leage.
Of course i simplified a little, but i think you get my point.
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i went from bronze to gold in under two days,
i think they're fine, cause now i feel challenged
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On August 06 2010 18:47 Dromar wrote:
I'm guessing they would rather err on the conservative side of promotion, in order to avoid needless promotion/demotion cycles. Also, I'm sure nobody likes being demoted. "Congratulations! You're worse than we initially thought!"
ya, I noticed that when you get promoted, it says, You have been promoted. However, when you get demoted, it doesn't say that, it says something along the lines of, Your placement has been reevaluated.
I always thought this was kinda funny. How delicate do they think people's feelings are?
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On August 06 2010 12:06 Superiorwolf wrote:
It is true that they don't happen enough though - didn't some players like incontrol and cauthonluck get stuck at platinum #1 for like 50 games or something ridiculous like that?
this was the case with me until 3 days ago, i was stuck at #1 platinum with 960 points ++... the rank 2 was 860 ... thats 100 points + away from him! and i kept winning constantly for like 3 days with a win ratio of like 4:1 or something, until they decided to finally promote me! i was rank 1 platinum for about 9 days or so
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If you win against 1 guy of 100 rating, whats your rating? Impossible to know, appart from the fact that you are above 100.
Win against a guy of 200 rating: Same story. No idea what your rating is, we just know its above 200.
You can get to great win-loss ratios like that. The system will know that you are really good, it just wont know exactly how good.
Then, once you lose, the system knows. won against a 1700 rated opponent, and lost against a 1750 rated opponent? Aha! must be somewhere in between. Couple of games later, you get promoted, because the system finally found out what your rating was supposed to be.
Think about it before you say its stupid. If someone is gold, and is winning, how do you know if he is platinum or diamond? Youll know if he loses to diamond players, if he just wins, its hard to know where exactly he is meant to be.
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Its not all about MMR and win ratio to get promoted.
I played 2v2 random 4:1 in placements and was put in platinum. The next 20 games I played about 6-15 or something like this allways against 2 other randoms in gold-platinum league. After qqing for losing all those games cause my mates sucked like hell I paused playing 2v2 for a weak, still in platinum.
Today I played again and was only queued against arranged teams from bronze and silver league. I won 9 games in a row and then I lost one and got instant demoted to gold. My MMR must be increasing during the last game even if not that much, 10 wins must increase MMR more then one lose does decrease. At the point of demoting my ratio was about 18-16.
So neither MMR nor win ratio was the reason I got demoted. It must be that I lost to a team that a platinum player would have defeated and nothing else.
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I lost all 5 of my placements, and lost 11 straight in bronze. I was ranked 99th for a while. I am now 62-42...Yet I'm only rank 5. The number one guy is 43-30 with 938 points, while I only have 782.
The number 2 guy is 80-74
How come I have a better w/l ratio and I've literally won 25 out of my past 28 games, yet I'm barely moving anywhere?
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On September 19 2010 00:54 ranshaked wrote:
I lost all 5 of my placements, and lost 11 straight in bronze. I was ranked 99th for a while. I am now 62-42...Yet I'm only rank 5. The number one guy is 43-30 with 938 points, while I only have 782.
The number 2 guy is 80-74
How come I have a better w/l ratio and I've literally won 25 out of my past 28 games, yet I'm barely moving anywhere?
The system punishes people who lose a lot of games in a row, most likely to prevent abuse.
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On September 19 2010 01:16 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 00:54 ranshaked wrote:
I lost all 5 of my placements, and lost 11 straight in bronze. I was ranked 99th for a while. I am now 62-42...Yet I'm only rank 5. The number one guy is 43-30 with 938 points, while I only have 782.
The number 2 guy is 80-74
How come I have a better w/l ratio and I've literally won 25 out of my past 28 games, yet I'm barely moving anywhere? The system punishes people who lose a lot of games in a row, most likely to prevent abuse.
It sucks because I had never played an RTS game before and went straight into placements/ladder.
I've learned extremely quick, and I've done very well lately...It sucks because I want to play against harder players.
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I got to diamond on my 13-14th win, so no. (From gold)
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you can only blame your self for not being promoted, blizzard clearly stated in multiple locations (including the log on screen) that promotions will take longer than in beta, so keep plugging away eventually the leagues will flatten themselves out
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On September 19 2010 00:05 Fizbin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 23:17 Dionyseus wrote:
The promotions definitely takes too long. With my zerg account I'm at 99 percentile in platinum according to sc2ranks, over 900pts, with an over 50% ratio (132-117 atm), and I've beaten at least 7 diamond players who on average I think are around 600 pts but I've beaten some that are close to 800 pts, and still stuck in platinum. I've played well over 200 games. I'd much rather be a low ranked diamond than a high ranked platinum... i bet the reason ur not getting promoted is because ur not consistent. saying ur 900 in platinum is just saying uve used up all ur bonus pool. ur MMR is prolly mid-high platinum level and not low diamond level. therefor it will put u against mostly platinum players and sometimes diamond or gold. if u beat some 600 diamond player very rarely but loose to a bunch of platinum players its doing its job. lucky wins im guessing. so basically ur saying: my bonus pool makes me think im better then i am. 50% win ratio is garbage why arent i getting promoted. i've beaten a 600 diamond player doing a 4 gate or 7 pool. but i keep loosing late game to platinum players.... QQ
Just played 10 more games, logged all my opponent's records, including their last 5 games win/loss before our match:
1. win against PinkLightning zerg +13pts (even) platinum 908pts 152-138 lwlll
2. win against Twsty protoss +10 (even) platinum 832pts 146-141 wwwll
3. loss against Vitto protoss -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 827pts 94-81 wwwlw
4. loss against Zode zerg -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 625pts 38-32 lwlll
5. win against Cooltown protoss +15 (1 bonus even match) diamond 774pts 99-86 llwll
6. loss against Budwyzer protoss +13 (even) diamond 355pts 26-25 wwwlw
7. win against DiscoStu terran +13 (even) diamond 792pts 83-84 llwlw
8. win against Cursexist protoss +14 (even) platinum 576pts 38-23 lwwll
9. loss against Backz zerg -10 (even) diamond 848pts 108-100 lwwwl
10. loss against Lextasy terran -13 (even) platinum 931pts 82-72 llwlw
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United States12235 Posts
On September 19 2010 02:44 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 00:05 Fizbin wrote:On September 18 2010 23:17 Dionyseus wrote:
The promotions definitely takes too long. With my zerg account I'm at 99 percentile in platinum according to sc2ranks, over 900pts, with an over 50% ratio (132-117 atm), and I've beaten at least 7 diamond players who on average I think are around 600 pts but I've beaten some that are close to 800 pts, and still stuck in platinum. I've played well over 200 games. I'd much rather be a low ranked diamond than a high ranked platinum... i bet the reason ur not getting promoted is because ur not consistent. saying ur 900 in platinum is just saying uve used up all ur bonus pool. ur MMR is prolly mid-high platinum level and not low diamond level. therefor it will put u against mostly platinum players and sometimes diamond or gold. if u beat some 600 diamond player very rarely but loose to a bunch of platinum players its doing its job. lucky wins im guessing. so basically ur saying: my bonus pool makes me think im better then i am. 50% win ratio is garbage why arent i getting promoted. i've beaten a 600 diamond player doing a 4 gate or 7 pool. but i keep loosing late game to platinum players.... QQ Just played 10 more games, logged all my opponent's records, including their last 5 games win/loss before our match: 1. win against PinkLightning zerg +13pts (even) platinum 908pts 152-138 lwlll 2. win against Twsty protoss +10 (even) platinum 832pts 146-141 wwwll 3. loss against Vitto protoss -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 827pts 94-81 wwwlw 4. loss against Zode zerg -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 625pts 38-32 lwlll 5. win against Cooltown protoss +15 (1 bonus even match) diamond 774pts 99-86 llwll 6. loss against Budwyzer protoss +13 (even) diamond 355pts 26-25 wwwlw 7. win against DiscoStu terran +13 (even) diamond 792pts 83-84 llwlw 8. win against Cursexist protoss +14 (even) platinum 576pts 38-23 lwwll 9. loss against Backz zerg -10 (even) diamond 848pts 108-100 lwwwl 10. loss against Lextasy terran -13 (even) platinum 931pts 82-72 llwlw
Hm, so it looks like you're straddling the border between Plat and Diamond. I don't know if that's going to be enough to get you promoted. Seems like you'd have to be matched with Diamond players (or high MMR Plat players) a bit more consistently than you currently are.
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As SC2 gets older, won't there eventually be more diamond leagues anyways as more and more people hit the roof of promotions? After a while it's all diamond leagues and fewer <diamond leagues, even though im sure there will be some people who stay below diamond and new people will keep getting the game. But the value of being in Diamond League is really low and gets lower every day, right?
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On September 19 2010 03:40 Soulzityr wrote:
As SC2 gets older, won't there eventually be more diamond leagues anyways as more and more people hit the roof of promotions? After a while it's all diamond leagues and fewer <diamond leagues, even though im sure there will be some people who stay below diamond and new people will keep getting the game. But the value of being in Diamond League is really low and gets lower every day, right?
I don't think so. Globally the percentage of players in diamond league for 1v1 has remained around 7%. At the moment the global percentages are:
Diamond 6.97% (82,497)
Platinum 14.10% (166,938)
Gold 18.97% (224,523)
Silver 20.21% (239,238)
Bronze 39.76% (470,653)
If anything, I think that over time it will become harder and harder to get into diamond. A month ago when I was trying to get my terran account into diamond I kept getting matched with 300-400 point diamond players. Now with my zerg account i'm facing 700s, even some 800s.
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It's been said time and time again that your match making rating has to stabilize in order to see promotion.
You're winning like mad, should you be promoted to silver/gold or should you go platinum? Diamond? The computer doesn't know yet because your MMR is still fluctuating greatly. CauthanLuck had this issue because he just simply never lost early on, you're having this issue due to never losing because you artificially placed yourself low. It's not fair to call out folks for being trolls when they are meerly pointing out the fact that you are coming from an odd position. You also made it very clear that you think the promotion process is poor due to not being fast enough.
Now heres the fun part, if you were to look at my match history, the vast majority of my opponents are silver and gold even with some platinum and diamonds thrown in. I win most of these even beating a plat or two, yet i am not promoted.
Honestly 95% of people will be in the right league after 25-30 games. I bet despite your uncompetitive/smurfing/lame ploy you'll see a promotion within 10-15 more games.
Here is FAQ posted on blizzard forums that has some interesting stuff in it. It was likely linked somewhere in the 8 pages of the thread, if so ignore -- http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628075820
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How can people be in diamond after 25 games with a 13-12 w/l?
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On September 19 2010 03:59 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 03:40 Soulzityr wrote:
As SC2 gets older, won't there eventually be more diamond leagues anyways as more and more people hit the roof of promotions? After a while it's all diamond leagues and fewer <diamond leagues, even though im sure there will be some people who stay below diamond and new people will keep getting the game. But the value of being in Diamond League is really low and gets lower every day, right? I don't think so. Globally the percentage of players in diamond league for 1v1 has remained around 7%. At the moment the global percentages are: Diamond 6.97% (82,497) Platinum 14.10% (166,938) Gold 18.97% (224,523) Silver 20.21% (239,238) Bronze 39.76% (470,653) If anything, I think that over time it will become harder and harder to get into diamond. A month ago when I was trying to get my terran account into diamond I kept getting matched with 300-400 point diamond players. Now with my zerg account i'm facing 700s, even some 800s.
If anything, it will be easier, but not for the reasons you expect. Let's say the range of MMR is between 0 and 3000, and that the Diamond threshold is 2500. Early on, top level players will rocket past everyone else and reach 2700, 2800, 2900, far beyond the required threshold. Over time, as skill levels gradually improve, players will start to evenly distribute themselves across the MMR range. That means instead of having to beat these top players at 2900, you could instead beat 2500s and 2600s to cross the threshold.
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EDIT oh wow this is old
I agree. I'm now in Platinum(I ended up in there from placements). I hadn't played the game for about 4 months so in my first games with Zerg I went 16-18, along with 4 disconnects because my computer is awful. After that I switched to Terran because Zerg sucks, now I'm 33-22.
17-4 in last 21 games, 5 game win streak and still no promotion. I'm constantly playing against 800-1000 point diamond players and beat most of them but yeah... annoying to be stuck at plat like this. Maybe I'll be promoted when I reach rank 1 of my division or something, now at 20 or w/e.
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I'm thinking promotions need to take longer. A friend and I tried bombing our last 2 placement matches, but I got such a headache from how bad our opponents were, that I said screw it and we attacked and won. Our opponents were gold players. I've been recently finding plat and gold players to be extremely bad. Diamond is just way too easy to get up to
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This is where I'm at. These are my past 20 or so games...One loss...Yet no promotion :/ and i'm ranked #1 in my 4v4 for 2 weeks now and no promotion.
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I don't mind Promotion, in Beta I got promoted to Diamond after 1 win after placements. But in the full game, It took about 20 games to get from Plat to Diamond, since I don't know the true math behind it I wont complain, but I really think they should use a more straightforward method that others could understand. I really liked the Idea of having Biweekly Tournies for Promotions (kinda like Courage in BW). But I guess that'd be too hard for them to keep track of.
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On September 19 2010 04:52 ranshaked wrote:
This is where I'm at. These are my past 20 or so games...One loss...Yet no promotion :/ and i'm ranked #1 in my 4v4 for 2 weeks now and no promotion.
The one loss is precisely why you haven't been promoted. Look at your opponent profiles and read the other threads on the topic.
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On September 19 2010 05:03 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 04:52 ranshaked wrote:
This is where I'm at. These are my past 20 or so games...One loss...Yet no promotion :/ and i'm ranked #1 in my 4v4 for 2 weeks now and no promotion.
The one loss is precisely why you haven't been promoted. Look at your opponent profiles and read the other threads on the topic.
That is the most retarded system ever then. You have to lose to be promoted? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around
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On September 19 2010 03:04 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 02:44 Dionyseus wrote:On September 19 2010 00:05 Fizbin wrote:On September 18 2010 23:17 Dionyseus wrote:
The promotions definitely takes too long. With my zerg account I'm at 99 percentile in platinum according to sc2ranks, over 900pts, with an over 50% ratio (132-117 atm), and I've beaten at least 7 diamond players who on average I think are around 600 pts but I've beaten some that are close to 800 pts, and still stuck in platinum. I've played well over 200 games. I'd much rather be a low ranked diamond than a high ranked platinum... i bet the reason ur not getting promoted is because ur not consistent. saying ur 900 in platinum is just saying uve used up all ur bonus pool. ur MMR is prolly mid-high platinum level and not low diamond level. therefor it will put u against mostly platinum players and sometimes diamond or gold. if u beat some 600 diamond player very rarely but loose to a bunch of platinum players its doing its job. lucky wins im guessing. so basically ur saying: my bonus pool makes me think im better then i am. 50% win ratio is garbage why arent i getting promoted. i've beaten a 600 diamond player doing a 4 gate or 7 pool. but i keep loosing late game to platinum players.... QQ Just played 10 more games, logged all my opponent's records, including their last 5 games win/loss before our match: 1. win against PinkLightning zerg +13pts (even) platinum 908pts 152-138 lwlll 2. win against Twsty protoss +10 (even) platinum 832pts 146-141 wwwll 3. loss against Vitto protoss -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 827pts 94-81 wwwlw 4. loss against Zode zerg -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 625pts 38-32 lwlll 5. win against Cooltown protoss +15 (1 bonus even match) diamond 774pts 99-86 llwll 6. loss against Budwyzer protoss +13 (even) diamond 355pts 26-25 wwwlw 7. win against DiscoStu terran +13 (even) diamond 792pts 83-84 llwlw 8. win against Cursexist protoss +14 (even) platinum 576pts 38-23 lwwll 9. loss against Backz zerg -10 (even) diamond 848pts 108-100 lwwwl 10. loss against Lextasy terran -13 (even) platinum 931pts 82-72 llwlw Hm, so it looks like you're straddling the border between Plat and Diamond. I don't know if that's going to be enough to get you promoted. Seems like you'd have to be matched with Diamond players (or high MMR Plat players) a bit more consistently than you currently are.
when ur doing ur calculations u have to remember the bonus pool. which is aprox 600-800 since release which with more games u do the more inaccurate ur actually rating becomes which caps out
so lets take a look at the threshold too diamond mmr which is aprox 300 diamond.
then lets take a look at the diamond players u've beaten:
5. win against Cooltown protoss +15 (1 bonus even match) diamond 774pts 99-86 llwll
who after 200 games has used up all thier bonus pool. whith prolly a mmr of 310 which is barely above the threshold
7. win against DiscoStu terran +13 (even) diamond 792pts 83-84 llwlw
who after 160 games has used up all thier bonus pool but has a mrr of aprox 330 or so, which is barely above the threshold
now if per say, u beat a bunch of 350 rated diamond players who only have 50 games played 80% win ratio, then ur going to get promoted a LOT faster then playing scrubby bonus pooled barely diamond players with 50% win ratio.
i can see how ur not impressed with the system. but remember bonus pools hide ppl's real skill.. its blizzards way of making ppl think they are better then they really are. if i was in your position i'd be pissed as well.
also remember its harder to get demoted then promoted so i could even be wrong about those mmr's
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On September 19 2010 05:08 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 05:03 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 04:52 ranshaked wrote:
This is where I'm at. These are my past 20 or so games...One loss...Yet no promotion :/ and i'm ranked #1 in my 4v4 for 2 weeks now and no promotion.
The one loss is precisely why you haven't been promoted. Look at your opponent profiles and read the other threads on the topic. That is the most retarded system ever then. You have to lose to be promoted? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around
You have to stabilize. The fastest way to do that is lose against people higher than you and win against people lower than you. If you do nothing but win, the system is going to look for you to peak somewhere (because inevitably that has to happen for everyone).
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On September 19 2010 05:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 05:08 ranshaked wrote:On September 19 2010 05:03 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 04:52 ranshaked wrote:
This is where I'm at. These are my past 20 or so games...One loss...Yet no promotion :/ and i'm ranked #1 in my 4v4 for 2 weeks now and no promotion.
The one loss is precisely why you haven't been promoted. Look at your opponent profiles and read the other threads on the topic. That is the most retarded system ever then. You have to lose to be promoted? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around You have to stabilize. The fastest way to do that is lose against people higher than you and win against people lower than you. If you do nothing but win, the system is going to look for you to peak somewhere (because inevitably that has to happen for everyone).
I understand that, but I'm not playing any "higher" level players. I'm a quick learner when it comes to games. I literally went 0-11 my first 11 because I had no clue what I was doing. And lately I've been on a tearing streak for 2-3 weeks now. I should be promoted, or at least be playing silver/gold opponents, but I'm still playing bronze players and I'm destroying them,
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On September 19 2010 05:11 Fizbin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 03:04 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 02:44 Dionyseus wrote:On September 19 2010 00:05 Fizbin wrote:On September 18 2010 23:17 Dionyseus wrote:
The promotions definitely takes too long. With my zerg account I'm at 99 percentile in platinum according to sc2ranks, over 900pts, with an over 50% ratio (132-117 atm), and I've beaten at least 7 diamond players who on average I think are around 600 pts but I've beaten some that are close to 800 pts, and still stuck in platinum. I've played well over 200 games. I'd much rather be a low ranked diamond than a high ranked platinum... i bet the reason ur not getting promoted is because ur not consistent. saying ur 900 in platinum is just saying uve used up all ur bonus pool. ur MMR is prolly mid-high platinum level and not low diamond level. therefor it will put u against mostly platinum players and sometimes diamond or gold. if u beat some 600 diamond player very rarely but loose to a bunch of platinum players its doing its job. lucky wins im guessing. so basically ur saying: my bonus pool makes me think im better then i am. 50% win ratio is garbage why arent i getting promoted. i've beaten a 600 diamond player doing a 4 gate or 7 pool. but i keep loosing late game to platinum players.... QQ Just played 10 more games, logged all my opponent's records, including their last 5 games win/loss before our match: 1. win against PinkLightning zerg +13pts (even) platinum 908pts 152-138 lwlll 2. win against Twsty protoss +10 (even) platinum 832pts 146-141 wwwll 3. loss against Vitto protoss -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 827pts 94-81 wwwlw 4. loss against Zode zerg -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 625pts 38-32 lwlll 5. win against Cooltown protoss +15 (1 bonus even match) diamond 774pts 99-86 llwll 6. loss against Budwyzer protoss +13 (even) diamond 355pts 26-25 wwwlw 7. win against DiscoStu terran +13 (even) diamond 792pts 83-84 llwlw 8. win against Cursexist protoss +14 (even) platinum 576pts 38-23 lwwll 9. loss against Backz zerg -10 (even) diamond 848pts 108-100 lwwwl 10. loss against Lextasy terran -13 (even) platinum 931pts 82-72 llwlw Hm, so it looks like you're straddling the border between Plat and Diamond. I don't know if that's going to be enough to get you promoted. Seems like you'd have to be matched with Diamond players (or high MMR Plat players) a bit more consistently than you currently are. when ur doing ur calculations u have to remember the bonus pool. which is aprox 600-800 since release which with more games u do the more inaccurate ur actually rating becomes which caps out so lets take a look at the threshold too diamond mmr which is aprox 300 diamond. then lets take a look at the diamond players u've beaten: 5. win against Cooltown protoss +15 (1 bonus even match) diamond 774pts 99-86 llwllwho after 200 games has used up all thier bonus pool. whith prolly a mmr of 310 which is barely above the threshold 7. win against DiscoStu terran +13 (even) diamond 792pts 83-84 llwlwwho after 160 games has used up all thier bonus pool but has a mrr of aprox 330 or so, which is barely above the threshold now if per say, u beat a bunch of 350 rated diamond players who only have 50 games played 80% win ratio, then ur going to get promoted a LOT faster then playing scrubby bonus pooled barely diamond players with 50% win ratio. i can see how ur not impressed with the system. but remember bonus pools hide ppl's real skill.. its blizzards way of making ppl think they are better then they really are. if i was in your position i'd be pissed as well.
First thing: the bonus pool is much higher than that now. It's up to around 770. So, for those players who have played a lot of games, you would just subtract 770 from their displayed ratings. That might give you a vague estimate of their MMR, but I don't know what you're talking about with your "300 Diamond MMR" because there is absolutely no way for us to know a) what the threshold is and b) what the player's MMR is. Are you sure you understand the system?
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United States12235 Posts
On September 19 2010 05:16 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 05:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 05:08 ranshaked wrote:On September 19 2010 05:03 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 04:52 ranshaked wrote:
This is where I'm at. These are my past 20 or so games...One loss...Yet no promotion :/ and i'm ranked #1 in my 4v4 for 2 weeks now and no promotion.
The one loss is precisely why you haven't been promoted. Look at your opponent profiles and read the other threads on the topic. That is the most retarded system ever then. You have to lose to be promoted? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around You have to stabilize. The fastest way to do that is lose against people higher than you and win against people lower than you. If you do nothing but win, the system is going to look for you to peak somewhere (because inevitably that has to happen for everyone). I understand that, but I'm not playing any "higher" level players. I'm a quick learner when it comes to games. I literally went 0-11 my first 11 because I had no clue what I was doing. And lately I've been on a tearing streak for 2-3 weeks now. I should be promoted, or at least be playing silver/gold opponents, but I'm still playing bronze players and I'm destroying them,
Mind posting your character code? You're on the NA server?
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On September 19 2010 05:23 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 05:16 ranshaked wrote:On September 19 2010 05:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 05:08 ranshaked wrote:On September 19 2010 05:03 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 04:52 ranshaked wrote:
This is where I'm at. These are my past 20 or so games...One loss...Yet no promotion :/ and i'm ranked #1 in my 4v4 for 2 weeks now and no promotion.
The one loss is precisely why you haven't been promoted. Look at your opponent profiles and read the other threads on the topic. That is the most retarded system ever then. You have to lose to be promoted? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around You have to stabilize. The fastest way to do that is lose against people higher than you and win against people lower than you. If you do nothing but win, the system is going to look for you to peak somewhere (because inevitably that has to happen for everyone). I understand that, but I'm not playing any "higher" level players. I'm a quick learner when it comes to games. I literally went 0-11 my first 11 because I had no clue what I was doing. And lately I've been on a tearing streak for 2-3 weeks now. I should be promoted, or at least be playing silver/gold opponents, but I'm still playing bronze players and I'm destroying them, Mind posting your character code? You're on the NA server?
ranshaked 901
yeah NA
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On August 06 2010 12:07 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:02 Klamity wrote:
Step1. bomb placements
Step2. complain about being in bronze
Step3. make post ROFL. Also OP, I think you need to lose 7 to be promoted. IdrA and other high level players purposely lost 7 games just to move up.
An example of oxymoron?
Anyways, I think it is fine.
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bonus pool has nothing to do with promotions..
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United States12235 Posts
On September 19 2010 05:32 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 05:23 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 05:16 ranshaked wrote:On September 19 2010 05:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 05:08 ranshaked wrote:On September 19 2010 05:03 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 04:52 ranshaked wrote:
This is where I'm at. These are my past 20 or so games...One loss...Yet no promotion :/ and i'm ranked #1 in my 4v4 for 2 weeks now and no promotion.
The one loss is precisely why you haven't been promoted. Look at your opponent profiles and read the other threads on the topic. That is the most retarded system ever then. You have to lose to be promoted? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around You have to stabilize. The fastest way to do that is lose against people higher than you and win against people lower than you. If you do nothing but win, the system is going to look for you to peak somewhere (because inevitably that has to happen for everyone). I understand that, but I'm not playing any "higher" level players. I'm a quick learner when it comes to games. I literally went 0-11 my first 11 because I had no clue what I was doing. And lately I've been on a tearing streak for 2-3 weeks now. I should be promoted, or at least be playing silver/gold opponents, but I'm still playing bronze players and I'm destroying them, Mind posting your character code? You're on the NA server? ranshaked 901 yeah NA
You started out facing Diamond players when you first went 0-11. Confidence in you sunk to very low levels and ultimately you were put up against Bronze players. All your games have been even matches against other Bronze players who regularly play against other Bronze players, which means your MMR is increasing at about the same rate as your displayed rating (that is, not very quickly). You'll need to extend your streak until you start playing against Silver and higher players.
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On September 19 2010 05:19 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 05:11 Fizbin wrote:On September 19 2010 03:04 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 02:44 Dionyseus wrote:On September 19 2010 00:05 Fizbin wrote:On September 18 2010 23:17 Dionyseus wrote:
The promotions definitely takes too long. With my zerg account I'm at 99 percentile in platinum according to sc2ranks, over 900pts, with an over 50% ratio (132-117 atm), and I've beaten at least 7 diamond players who on average I think are around 600 pts but I've beaten some that are close to 800 pts, and still stuck in platinum. I've played well over 200 games. I'd much rather be a low ranked diamond than a high ranked platinum... i bet the reason ur not getting promoted is because ur not consistent. saying ur 900 in platinum is just saying uve used up all ur bonus pool. ur MMR is prolly mid-high platinum level and not low diamond level. therefor it will put u against mostly platinum players and sometimes diamond or gold. if u beat some 600 diamond player very rarely but loose to a bunch of platinum players its doing its job. lucky wins im guessing. so basically ur saying: my bonus pool makes me think im better then i am. 50% win ratio is garbage why arent i getting promoted. i've beaten a 600 diamond player doing a 4 gate or 7 pool. but i keep loosing late game to platinum players.... QQ Just played 10 more games, logged all my opponent's records, including their last 5 games win/loss before our match: 1. win against PinkLightning zerg +13pts (even) platinum 908pts 152-138 lwlll 2. win against Twsty protoss +10 (even) platinum 832pts 146-141 wwwll 3. loss against Vitto protoss -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 827pts 94-81 wwwlw 4. loss against Zode zerg -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 625pts 38-32 lwlll 5. win against Cooltown protoss +15 (1 bonus even match) diamond 774pts 99-86 llwll 6. loss against Budwyzer protoss +13 (even) diamond 355pts 26-25 wwwlw 7. win against DiscoStu terran +13 (even) diamond 792pts 83-84 llwlw 8. win against Cursexist protoss +14 (even) platinum 576pts 38-23 lwwll 9. loss against Backz zerg -10 (even) diamond 848pts 108-100 lwwwl 10. loss against Lextasy terran -13 (even) platinum 931pts 82-72 llwlw Hm, so it looks like you're straddling the border between Plat and Diamond. I don't know if that's going to be enough to get you promoted. Seems like you'd have to be matched with Diamond players (or high MMR Plat players) a bit more consistently than you currently are. when ur doing ur calculations u have to remember the bonus pool. which is aprox 600-800 since release which with more games u do the more inaccurate ur actually rating becomes which caps out so lets take a look at the threshold too diamond mmr which is aprox 300 diamond. then lets take a look at the diamond players u've beaten: 5. win against Cooltown protoss +15 (1 bonus even match) diamond 774pts 99-86 llwllwho after 200 games has used up all thier bonus pool. whith prolly a mmr of 310 which is barely above the threshold 7. win against DiscoStu terran +13 (even) diamond 792pts 83-84 llwlwwho after 160 games has used up all thier bonus pool but has a mrr of aprox 330 or so, which is barely above the threshold now if per say, u beat a bunch of 350 rated diamond players who only have 50 games played 80% win ratio, then ur going to get promoted a LOT faster then playing scrubby bonus pooled barely diamond players with 50% win ratio. i can see how ur not impressed with the system. but remember bonus pools hide ppl's real skill.. its blizzards way of making ppl think they are better then they really are. if i was in your position i'd be pissed as well. First thing: the bonus pool is much higher than that now. It's up to around 770. So, for those players who have played a lot of games, you would just subtract 770 from their displayed ratings. That might give you a vague estimate of their MMR, but I don't know what you're talking about with your "300 Diamond MMR" because there is absolutely no way for us to know a) what the threshold is and b) what the player's MMR is. Are you sure you understand the system?
how is 770 much higher then 600-800? i dont understand ur logic.
maybe i wasnt making myself clear... when i say a mmr of 275 i meen in diamond league not all leagues. 275 mmr diamond would be something like the top 10% of platinum league's which atm is 800-900 platinum
for exmaple i've been promoted to diamond twice in beta and once in release. and everytime it's 300 diamond. so i know that diamond 300 isnt a mmr of 300 but rather a good place to baseline ur guesses of MMR.
these are just example of what the mmr system would look like if 300 was the threshold
understand?
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On September 19 2010 05:55 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 05:32 ranshaked wrote:On September 19 2010 05:23 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 05:16 ranshaked wrote:On September 19 2010 05:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 05:08 ranshaked wrote:On September 19 2010 05:03 Excalibur_Z wrote:On September 19 2010 04:52 ranshaked wrote:
This is where I'm at. These are my past 20 or so games...One loss...Yet no promotion :/ and i'm ranked #1 in my 4v4 for 2 weeks now and no promotion.
The one loss is precisely why you haven't been promoted. Look at your opponent profiles and read the other threads on the topic. That is the most retarded system ever then. You have to lose to be promoted? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around You have to stabilize. The fastest way to do that is lose against people higher than you and win against people lower than you. If you do nothing but win, the system is going to look for you to peak somewhere (because inevitably that has to happen for everyone). I understand that, but I'm not playing any "higher" level players. I'm a quick learner when it comes to games. I literally went 0-11 my first 11 because I had no clue what I was doing. And lately I've been on a tearing streak for 2-3 weeks now. I should be promoted, or at least be playing silver/gold opponents, but I'm still playing bronze players and I'm destroying them, how many more games do I have to win to prove it though? I mean I've been rolling through people lol Mind posting your character code? You're on the NA server? ranshaked 901 yeah NA You started out facing Diamond players when you first went 0-11. Confidence in you sunk to very low levels and ultimately you were put up against Bronze players. All your games have been even matches against other Bronze players who regularly play against other Bronze players, which means your MMR is increasing at about the same rate as your displayed rating (that is, not very quickly). You'll need to extend your streak until you start playing against Silver and higher players.
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Keep playing and you will get promoted if you should be. If you're playing people from diamond, then you already got what you want. Being in diamond doesn't make you awesome, as much as most people want to think it does.
imo it should take longer, even if you play really well. 20-40 games shouldn't be enough to reach the "top 7%" of players out there. If you feel like you deserve to be in diamond, you're going to play more than that anyway, so why worry about being in plat right away.
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I think I had about 80 games at platinum 1st/2nd against diamond players before I got promoted. I continuously had about 60% win rate against them, but then I got promoted all of a sudden, with my five last games being WWWLW.
I seriously did nothing special. I just played as well as I could and got promoted. Took ages, but was that much more rewarding.
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Ive been stuck in silver league for ages now. I wont lie when i started i really sucked. but ive gotten ALOT better. In this week alone im sure my win ratio is somewhere around 75%. Thats against Slighty favoured and favoured opponents. ive been stuck for ages. Its kinda getting annoying now. something like W>W>W>W>L>W>W>W>W>L and still nothing I went up from 40th up to 6th without using any bonus points(they have been building up but not being added when i win for some reason) so trust me Ive been playing like a motherfucker and not getting anywhere. Maybe im just not playing enough higher level players but its not like i can do much about that. just wait.
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Well one thing to know is that if everyone could advance so easily, there would be no such thing as a platinum, gold, silver or bronze league. Perhaps some people really are 'stuck' at their current league because they are meant to be there
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On August 06 2010 12:18 Deathstar wrote:edit: Cauthon is going to lose a majority of the points he has when he gets promoted. Very unfortunate.
You lose points when you get promoted?
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On September 19 2010 07:27 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:18 Deathstar wrote:edit: Cauthon is going to lose a majority of the points he has when he gets promoted. Very unfortunate. You lose points when you get promoted?
Yes. Around ~200 points.
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My 3v3 team was stuck in a league, at #1, for several weeks. Hearing about the hotfix, we play again, and were prompty promoted after 2 wins, to the next league - also at the #1. So yeah, whatever they server-side definitely helped.
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On September 19 2010 07:28 Scoop wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 07:27 Devolved wrote:On August 06 2010 12:18 Deathstar wrote:edit: Cauthon is going to lose a majority of the points he has when he gets promoted. Very unfortunate. You lose points when you get promoted? Yes. Around ~200 points.
There's no hard and fast rule. It varies per player. I lost 63 points when I got promoted and Vanick lost 12.
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It really is so random. My main 2v2 team is like 165-120 and just cannot get promoted out of platinum.
A few days ago I started a screw-around 2v2 team with a friend, just going for fun builds and experimental stuff... went 3-2 in placement and got put in gold.
We continued to scrub around... then last night we started out with a loss to a Random team (as in people who play 2v2 Random), and followed that with a silly Voidray win vs gold opponents, in which we lost all but two buildings. Evidently seeing me make voidrays was all that b.net needed to justify promoting us straight from gold to diamond.
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When I started my placement matches, I absolutely SUCKED at SC2; I had no idea how to play in multiplayer. Got placed in Bronze, 22 games later (even 50% w/l ratio now) I'm in silver. I was ranked 20th in my bronze division before I won the game that promoted me.
Tl;dr - I have no idea how promotions work lol.
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wow i have a 60% winrate in plat and im #1 - i still am not promoted to diamond. haha.
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On September 19 2010 07:47 Chocobo wrote:
It really is so random. My main 2v2 team is like 165-120 and just cannot get promoted out of platinum.
A few days ago I started a screw-around 2v2 team with a friend, just going for fun builds and experimental stuff... went 3-2 in placement and got put in gold.
We continued to scrub around... then last night we started out with a loss to a Random team (as in people who play 2v2 Random), and followed that with a silly Voidray win vs gold opponents, in which we lost all but two buildings. Evidently seeing me make voidrays was all that b.net needed to justify promoting us straight from gold to diamond.
xD that's pretty ridiculous, but fortunate when you consider how long some people languish in a certain league.
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Maybe the patch will address these issues
Anyways - don't worry about it. You know you're playing at a higher skill level, your current league is just a title.
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On September 19 2010 07:34 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 07:28 Scoop wrote:On September 19 2010 07:27 Devolved wrote:On August 06 2010 12:18 Deathstar wrote:edit: Cauthon is going to lose a majority of the points he has when he gets promoted. Very unfortunate. You lose points when you get promoted? Yes. Around ~200 points. There's no hard and fast rule. It varies per player. I lost 63 points when I got promoted and Vanick lost 12.
It also can go way higher as well. Idra lost somewhere between 600 and 800,
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I'd prefer it if it was harder to move up leagues - and maybe starting in Gold or adding an extra league instead. I don't think being in Diamond atm reflects a very high skill level at all and I think that's a bit of a shame. Not too bothered really though...
I can see why, in the current system, some higher skilled players stuck in plat would be a bit annoyed since there are so many gigantic newbs in diamond. On the other hand, you'll get moved up eventually and you'll already be playing the somewhat better diamond players if your stats are good.
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I bet there's hardly any difference between Bronze and Gold anyway.
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i lost about 200 points when i got promoted to diamond, i had 970 points as a rank 1 platinum when i got promoted i got down to exactly 800 diamond :D thats 170 points =>
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Only took me 25 games to get promoted to diamond... Doesn't seem too long to me.
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Does anyone know if or when the ladder resets?
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Finally got promoted !!!!! Here's the log of my last 36 games, including the win/loss of my opponent's last 5 games before our match:
1. win against PinkLightning zerg +13pts (even) platinum 908pts 152-138 lwlll
2. win against Twsty protoss +10 (even) platinum 832pts 146-141 wwwll
3. loss against Vitto protoss -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 827pts 94-81 wwwlw
4. loss against Zode zerg -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 625pts 38-32 lwlll
5. win against Cooltown protoss +15 (1 bonus even match) diamond 774pts 99-86 llwll
6. loss against Budwyzer protoss +13 (even) diamond 355pts 26-25 wwwlw
7. win against DiscoStu terran +13 (even) diamond 792pts 83-84 llwlw
8. win against Cursexist protoss +14 (even) platinum 576pts 38-23 lwwll
9. loss against Backz zerg -10 (even) diamond 848pts 108-100 lwwwl
10. loss against Lextasy terran -13 (even) platinum 931pts 82-72 llwlw
11. win against Pheze terran +15 (1 bonus even match) diamond 291pts 17-17 wwlll
12. loss against Tarob terran -13 (even match) platinum 906pts 105-79 wlwlw
13. loss against Nostawe terran -13 (even match) gold 533pts 24-15 wwwww
14. win against Doomer protoss +11 (1 bonus even match) platinum 867pts 269-251 lllww
15. loss against ulikeit terran -13 (even match) diamond 743pts 121-111 llllw
16. win against theoryx protoss +11 (even match) platinum 906pts 55-55 lllll
17. win against rflbill protoss +13 (even match) diamond 791pts 172-156 lwlwl
18. loss against dacelt rprotoss -10 (even match) diamond 827pts 115-108 lllll
19. win against zultor rzerg +11 (even match) platinum 676pts 50-48 llwwl
20. win against chaz zerg +11 (even match) platinum 243pts 11-9 wwwll
21. loss against fillmel terran -10 (even match) gold 160pts 8-1 lwwww
22. win against Shaun terran +20 (14 even plus 6 bonus) Diamond 811pts 72-61 wwlll
23. win against Edowyth protoss +13 (even match) Diamond 252pts 13-10 lllww
24. loss against Fins protoss -13 (even match) platinum 785pts 73-65 wwlwl
25. loss against taintedkhan terran -10 (even match) diamond 839pts 70-55 wwwlw
26. loss against The rprotoss -11 (even match) platinum 952pts 62-52 llwww
27. win against ironman zerg +11 (even match) platinum 896pts 142-136 llwww
28. win against normster terran +11 (1 bonus even match) platinum 738pts 57-39 wwlww
29. win against Fuzed terran +14 (even match) diamond 545pts 37-33 wllll
30. win against genrou terran +11 (even match) platinum 869pts 299-285 wwwww
31. win against decrepit terran +13 (2 bonus even match) platinum 373pts 21-15 wllwl
32. win against tofu protoss +15 (opp slightly favored) diamond 826pts 79-70 wlwww
33. win against swanzy protoss +12 (even match) platinum 924pts 75-62 wwwll
34. loss against johndfool zerg -12 (even match) platinum 441pts 19-13 llwwl
35. loss against Fung protoss -13 (even match) diamond 882pts 119-113 lllll
*****36. win against Meforyou terran +11 (even match) platinum 962pts 209-195 wwlww
I was 1023 in platinum with a record of 154-134 before the game that promoted me. When I was put in diamond I was 863 points with 0 bonus pool, oh and I yelled out the longest "YES!" I've ever yelled lol.
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This is true for me, to some extent, although I didn't bomb anything on purpose, I just initially sucked really hard. I lost all of my first placement games so I got in the lower bronze. Worked my way up there, now I am stuck at the top of my division (and I do not intend to let go of the first spot), and I keep getting tossed against gold players. I am not sure if low platinum, but I wouldn't be surprised. The game therefore recognizes me as a gold league player at least, but yet I seem to be infinitely stuck in the bronze league I know, it's for epeen, but the people who see my 1v1 placement and do not know me will not know this, and I bet all those gold people I beat so easily were crying because they got so kicked by a bronze player... I guess that's the only fun with it. And what's more, I always get pitted against superior opponents except with a few occasions. I also notice I get matched up with other bronze players sometimes who I of course naturally steamroll, and this wouldn't happen as much if I would be promoted, I believe.
By the way, my win/loss ratio in 1v1 is 51/20 >.< That's 70% win/loss ratio :S
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They are fine. Learn to play.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Me and my friend just wanted to test out how bad the promotion system was, so we purposefully lost all 5 placements and got put into bronze before playing seriously. we won over 30 consecutive games, the latest against diamond players and we are still in bronze league lol. we even lost a game after 30something wins to see if that would trigger it, and nothing happened.
I'm not really complaining since neither of us give a shit about team games one way or another, but how is a system in which you arnt promoted after going 30-0 perfectly OK?
Is LLLW the only legit way to get yourself promoted?
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u need to lose at least 7-8 games to get into diamond.. that's the minimum.. there's NOBODY in diamond with less than 6 losses
so, my advise is.. if u wanna test how bad promotions are.. win lose 8 games in a row, and win everything else
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14. win against Doomer protoss +11 (1 bonus even match) platinum 867pts 269-251 lllww
15. loss against ulikeit terran -13 (even match) diamond 743pts 121-111 llllw
16. win against theoryx protoss +11 (even match) platinum 906pts 55-55 lllll
17. win against rflbill protoss +13 (even match) diamond 791pts 172-156 lwlwl
18. loss against dacelt rprotoss -10 (even match) diamond 827pts 115-108 lllll
19. win against zultor rzerg +11 (even match) platinum 676pts 50-48 llwwl
20. win against chaz zerg +11 (even match) platinum 243pts 11-9 wwwll
21. loss against fillmel terran -10 (even match) gold 160pts 8-1 lwwww
22. win against Shaun terran +20 (14 even plus 6 bonus) Diamond 811pts 72-61 wwlll
23. win against Edowyth protoss +13 (even match) Diamond 252pts 13-10 lllww
24. loss against Fins protoss -13 (even match) platinum 785pts 73-65 wwlwl
25. loss against taintedkhan terran -10 (even match) diamond 839pts 70-55 wwwlw
26. loss against The rprotoss -11 (even match) platinum 952pts 62-52 llwww
27. win against ironman zerg +11 (even match) platinum 896pts 142-136 llwww
28. win against normster terran +11 (1 bonus even match) platinum 738pts 57-39 wwlww
29. win against Fuzed terran +14 (even match) diamond 545pts 37-33 wllll
30. win against genrou terran +11 (even match) platinum 869pts 299-285 wwwww
31. win against decrepit terran +13 (2 bonus even match) platinum 373pts 21-15 wllwl
32. win against tofu protoss +15 (opp slightly favored) diamond 826pts 79-70 wlwww
33. win against swanzy protoss +12 (even match) platinum 924pts 75-62 wwwll
34. loss against johndfool zerg -12 (even match) platinum 441pts 19-13 llwwl
35. loss against Fung protoss -13 (even match) diamond 882pts 119-113 lllll
*****36. win against Meforyou terran +11 (even match) platinum 962pts 209-195 wwlww
i would appreciate if more people does this with their last 22 games that got them into diamond.
Edit: cause my theory still stands... he made 14 wins and 8 losses
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you dont get promoted from waht i see unless
you've lost a certain amount of games (yes, really)
and you get consistant wins, i went from placements to gold to diamond, went like 7 wins vs diamond players, lost 2 or 3 games, won like 4 more, was ridiculous, then i lost like 4 games straight, won 1 and got promoted.
so from my experience, you need a consistant win rate and for some reason, you have to lose X amount of times (like demuslim did)
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On September 20 2010 08:49 Santi wrote:
They are fine. Learn to play.
The thing is, why do I stay in gold eternally (just cheesed my last placement because i wasn't in the mood) when i only play platinum and diamonds? i actually have an easier time beating diamonds then anyone else!
I see how constant shuffling of leagues could cause people to shy away from playing, but i don't feel like i'm getting anywhere because the game doesn't reeward me for beating diamond players constantly (now if we go with the current theory, my uncertainty factor even increases, c'mon).
Instant gratification is where it's at nowadays. I for one feel more motivated if i see that diamond there, some might feel motivated to climb up, dunno (i just think: stupid game, you know you pit me against D and i beat them) ;P
tl:dr it's stupid that winning against top opponents will actually make you stay in a lower leage longer.
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Of course you need to lose games in order to proceed. In a statistical sense, if you keep on winning, a single loss tells it (the system) more about you than any of your wins do. When you lose a few games it can home in on where you should be, otherwise it is never certain where you fit in.
That is why even after a string of losses you can get promoted, because the system becomes more accurate with it's guesses, if it predicts you will lose a game and you do lose a game then it becomes more confident.
I see how constant shuffling of leagues could cause people to shy away from playing, but i don't feel like i'm getting anywhere because the game doesn't reeward me for beating diamond players constantly (now if we go with the current theory, my uncertainty factor even increases, c'mon).
In that same respect, should losing to awful players demote you faster? And more so, if your wins are also correlated with stings of losses against awful players, why should you move up? How does it know that those wins aren't just flukes, I mean, you are losing to people worse than them, at least in a statistical sense.
The system is pretty fair, people really need to just let Blizzard handle this, iirc, at least for WoW, they brought in a few Ph.D's to work on the system. They could create fifty different systems that all handled how the ladder worked different, but I would bet that everyone here would be at the same place they are right now under those systems if they used them instead (relatively anyway)
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Totally know how that feels.
i was something like 45-15 at 1.2k Plat before i got promoted. Lost 400 points at the switch too. I think the transitions between everything else is fine, but with the number of terrible players in diamond you would think it would be easier to get into.
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On September 20 2010 22:32 Dommk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Of course you need to lose games in order to proceed. In a statistical sense, if you keep on winning, a single loss tells it (the system) more about you than any of your wins do. When you lose a few games it can home in on where you should be, otherwise it is never certain where you fit in. That is why even after a string of losses you can get promoted, because the system becomes more accurate with it's guesses, if it predicts you will lose a game and you do lose a game then it becomes more confident. I see how constant shuffling of leagues could cause people to shy away from playing, but i don't feel like i'm getting anywhere because the game doesn't reeward me for beating diamond players constantly (now if we go with the current theory, my uncertainty factor even increases, c'mon). In that same respect, should losing to awful players demote you faster? And more so, if your wins are also correlated with stings of losses against awful players, why should you move up? How does it know that those wins aren't just flukes, I mean, you are losing to people worse than them, at least in a statistical sense. The system is pretty fair, people really need to just let Blizzard handle this, iirc, at least for WoW, they brought in a few Ph.D's to work on the system. They could create fifty different systems that all handled how the ladder worked different, but I would bet that everyone here would be at the same place they are right now under those systems if they used them instead (relatively anyway)
Okay I'll have to go with football/soccer examples here. The thing is, if this system applied to football you would not be able to promote to a higher league if you did a clean sweep! Does that make sense? Sure a loss is more important for the system but to make it an integral part to the point where it doesn't work unless you lose is a bit much no?
As for the losing to awful players, doesn't it already work that way if you think about it? You will lose a lot more MMR and your Uncertainty will increase more than against equal opponents. Yes you should and it's right, but the winning against better players is a bit strange is all i'm trying to say, not bad, strange.
You have a point if somebody is beating Diamonds and losing to Gold or lower, but if your only losses are from Diamond players and you still have a winning percentage of like 80% over them, why have that player remain in whatever lower league for 30+ games? I've met Bronze players who had better understanding of the game than Diamonds, that's besides the point.
Leagues are totally arbitrary anyways as the only that ever matters is you MMR, and that's the thing Blizzard hides from us, no wonder people get hung up on insignificant other stuff ^^.
I'm not really complaining anyways, just saying it doesn't do what it's supposed to do, motivate me to play. Impatient person on this end of the internet here. I've been in Platinum (aka Diamond after) since beta 1, no biggie.
Also saying "it's xx company, let them do their thing they'll do it right" is never a good thing to say, same for politics ;P
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I played 20 games now and promoted, that seems incredibly fast, as I have only been laddering (not activelly) for 3 days!!
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work on your in-game strats. one shouldnt need to "strategically lose" the placements...ever. terrible idea.
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Lalalaland34486 Posts
I dc'd from one of my placement games and got placed into Silver. After about ~10 games I got promoted to Gold. After another ~20 games I got promoted to Diamond (skipping Platinum). Had a final record of something like 22 wins 8 losses.
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? i got into diamond at 7-1, maybe because was day of release, but there was a ton of people with less than 6 loses in diamond
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ya, but that's simply because there was no diamond population, so the game needed some to calibrate player skills
Toastie, u mind saying ur ingame id and code? or at least ur score from the last 22 games. Should be somewhere around 7-10 losses
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United States12235 Posts
On September 21 2010 00:35 kasuya wrote:ya, but that's simply because there was no diamond population, so the game needed some to calibrate player skills Toastie, u mind saying ur ingame id and code? or at least ur score from the last 22 games. Should be somewhere around 7-10 losses
It's extremely unlikely that there are any special rules for Diamond. It's even more unlikely that the entry conditions change based on player league distribution. There are plenty of examples of people who get promoted with less than 7 losses.
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I'm still stuck at #1 in my bronze division with 1010 points and a 73-47 or so record which is about 67% win/loss ratio.
I'm stuck there, I wanna play higher leveled players, but it keeps placing me against bronze
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I have 3 accounts (I'm not rich, got 1 as a gift and used a gift card for the other). I am about a 1000 Diamond player on my main. On both new accounts, it only took me about 2 days to hit 1000 Diamond, then I got stuck at that wall of 1000 points. I think rating / league are very accurate, because even with way less games played on both new accounts I am still at the exact same rating on all 3 and having trouble moving forward.
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the question is not if it's accurate, of course it is. the question is about the time it takes to balance things out.
i guess it's okay but somehow i'm more inclined to play altitude lately (curse you team liquid, you got me to buy that ;P).
p.s.: blizzard should totally take things like 'first game of the day' into account, it's always the worst! haha
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There are plenty of examples of people who get promoted with less than 7 losses.
Name one , that didn't get promoted the week of the release
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United States12235 Posts
On September 21 2010 05:15 kasuya wrote:Show nested quote + There are plenty of examples of people who get promoted with less than 7 losses. Name one , that didn't get promoted the week of the release
Here was the snapshot we were working with, courtesy of SC2ranks:
Players and their Number of Losses before Promotion:
0 - 5
1 - 30
2 - 149
3 - 291
4 - 537
5 - 596
6 - 646
7 - 660
Plus I just gave you an anecdotal example of Vanick who went 5-5 and got promoted.
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and that's from when, because i don't see anybody in diamond with less than 7 wins.. do u?
Edit: btw, i'm not sure we have the same meaning to the word Snapshot.
isn't Vanick ur partner from 2on2? that guy is not diamond.
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United States12235 Posts
On September 21 2010 06:07 kasuya wrote:
and that's from when, because i don't see anybody in diamond with less than 7 wins.. do u?
Edit: btw, i'm not sure we have the same meaning to the word Snapshot.
The 0-7 loss data was from like Aug 21. Vanick's promotion was on like Sep 10.
I didn't say he was Diamond, I said he got promoted from Bronze to Silver after going 5-5. Why do you think there have to be special rules for Diamond? That completely throws off everything.
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I still don't get what u mean here... snapshot of what... Vanick's promotion to silver?
i was talking everytime about getting promoted to diamond... i never said anything from the lower leagues...
To get in diamond league, u need at least 7 losses, pretty much 8 now... and a minimum of 22 games played.
To get promoted from lower leagues, u don't have any requirement at all.. it's just winning games.
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United States12235 Posts
On September 21 2010 06:20 kasuya wrote:
I still don't get what u mean here... snapshot of what... Vanick's promotion to silver?
i was talking everytime about getting promoted to diamond... i never said anything from the lower leagues...
To get in diamond league, u need at least 7 losses, pretty much 8 now... and a minimum of 22 games played.
To get promoted from lower leagues, u don't have any requirement at all.. it's just winning games.
The snapshot is a SC2ranks database snapshot of promotions within a particular time period.
I'm in complete disagreement with you about differing rules for Diamond. It wouldn't make any sense at all from a design perspective and makes even less sense from a player perspective.
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well, u made an example urself... ur friend Vanick went from bronze to silver with only 10 games played... and there's nobody in diamond league with less than 22 games played...
that should prove my point.. right ?
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United States12235 Posts
On September 21 2010 06:35 kasuya wrote:
well, u made an example urself... ur friend Vanick went from bronze to silver with only 10 games played... and there's nobody in diamond league with less than 22 games played...
that should prove my point.. right ?
What? No, did you see the list? That list pertains to diamond promotions.
Also Vanick intentionally bombed his placements (no idea how that's relevant to anything but he insisted I mention that).
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what list... the bunch of numbers u made up.. with no evidence ?
why don't u give me a link to that list?
I don't care if ur friend bombed his placements.. he still got a promotion after only 10 games. u can't get into diamond like that unless it's the first day of the server/season.
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United States12235 Posts
On September 21 2010 06:54 kasuya wrote:
what list... the bunch of numbers u made up.. with no evidence ?
why don't u give me a link to that list?
I don't care if ur friend bombed his placements.. he still got a promotion after only 10 games. u can't get into diamond like that unless it's the first day of the server/season.
I got them from Shadowed. Maybe he'll show up with a link to that database dump, or you can ask about it.
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You could be stuck. I don't know if you've heard of it
I have a friend who is stuck in bronze
And smashes Diamond players all the time. Really hope Blizz fixes this bug soon
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tell ur friend to lose 8 games intentionaly, and then keep on winning, pretty sure he will get promoted to diamond asap
Edit: Excalibur, those lists are no longer valid, since there's nobody with less than 7 losses in diamond, and most probably those with 7 losses are weeks old promotions.
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United States12235 Posts
Christ...
Really? Seriously? I'm done.
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On September 21 2010 00:30 Firebolt145 wrote:
I dc'd from one of my placement games and got placed into Silver. After about ~10 games I got promoted to Gold. After another ~20 games I got promoted to Diamond (skipping Platinum). Had a final record of something like 22 wins 8 losses.
i think promotions may come too quickly also...
i qualified into silver (2-3 or 3-2)
at 9-7 or so, promoted into gold
now at 13-10 promoted into plat
this is in 2v2 random teams...maybe I just drew good partners but the whole thing felt a little silly
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> 1,000 pt gold player representing for this thread!
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yeah well down her ein Bronze iy's a joke. No one has been promoted on the SEA server for over a month. What's the point of playing and winning if there is no reward?
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The promotion system is actually pretty fast. It only took me 10-15 games for me to get promoted from Plat to Diamond.
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I think it has to do with the division in some promotions getting fast in others take forever .
I dont know why a plat 1500 points + should stay in plat when a diamond can have 700 points or a 1400 gold vs a 600 plat player.
If it was legit plat should always have more points than gold and diamond than plat it makes sence.
also get rid of the ridiculus bonus pool.
I havent seen a game that rewards you for not playing .
Right now it doesnt make any sense for me to play since im stuck for weeks in the same league ( regardless for been consistend either 1 or 2 in my division ) and winning without bonus pool feels like half the win.
bonus pools should have been accumulated the more you play not the opposite.
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On October 07 2010 04:36 ffdestiny wrote:
> 1,000 pt gold player representing for this thread!
I was promoted from gold at 1207 points. ;p took awhile. now I'm sitting at 1150 in platinum. ;<
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I've been stuck at #1 in my bronze division for about a month now. I'm ranked almost in the top 100 in my region in bronze overall, and I keep winning. I just CANNOT be promoted o.0
http://sc2ranks.com/us/727024/ranshaked
I'm 124 in my region NA.
1 Protoss ranshaked 1,447 92 55 62.59% 21 hours
2 Terran Craig 1,350 120 106 53.10% 21 hours
I am ranshak3d. Notice how far ahead of the #2 guy I am o.0 I don't get it.
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OP said that he bombed his placement matches so he wouldn't get pwned by diamond players. This demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of how the matchmaking system works. The matchmaking system will match you against players of similar skill despite the league you are in (after several matches of figuring out what your skill is). Initially, when you beat a player, you will most likely face a stronger opponent next match. This will continue until it finds players at your skill level, regardless of what league you or they are in. I was initially placed in platinum league, but only my first game was against a platinum player, the rest were against all diamond players because the matchmaking system quickly discovered that I didn't lose to Platinum players, despite being in platinum. I stayed in platinum for a while before I was promoted, but it didn't really matter that I got promoted to diamond because I was playing the same level of opponents after promotion as before.
If OP had been erroneously placed in diamond, it would have only taken a few games against diamond players before the matchmaking system started pitting him against Plat players instead
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I've been stuck at #1 in my bronze division for about a month now. I'm ranked almost in the top 100 in my region in bronze overall, and I keep winning. I just CANNOT be promoted o.0 http://sc2ranks.com/us/727024/ranshakedI'm 124 in my region NA. 1 Protoss ranshaked 1,447 92 55 62.59% 21 hours 2 Terran Craig 1,350 120 106 53.10% 21 hours I am ranshak3d. Notice how far ahead of the #2 guy I am o.0 I don't get it.
Are you playing against mostly bronze players? If so, then you are right where you should be. If you frequently lose to low level silver players, then Bronze is where you belong. If you are facing a lot of silver players, with somewhat even results, then you are likely to be promoted soon.
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On October 07 2010 08:12 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:Show nested quote +I've been stuck at #1 in my bronze division for about a month now. I'm ranked almost in the top 100 in my region in bronze overall, and I keep winning. I just CANNOT be promoted o.0 http://sc2ranks.com/us/727024/ranshakedI'm 124 in my region NA. 1 Protoss ranshaked 1,447 92 55 62.59% 21 hours 2 Terran Craig 1,350 120 106 53.10% 21 hours I am ranshak3d. Notice how far ahead of the #2 guy I am o.0 I don't get it. Are you playing against mostly bronze players? If so, then you are right where you should be. If you frequently lose to low level silver players, then Bronze is where you belong. If you are facing a lot of silver players, with somewhat even results, then you are likely to be promoted soon.
You realize he's 92-55, right? lol. nearly a 2:1 win ratio.
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On one of my acounts I got the "10 games played" achievement and diamond promotion at the same time.
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that achievement doesn't even exist.. u know that right?
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On October 07 2010 08:12 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:Show nested quote +I've been stuck at #1 in my bronze division for about a month now. I'm ranked almost in the top 100 in my region in bronze overall, and I keep winning. I just CANNOT be promoted o.0 http://sc2ranks.com/us/727024/ranshakedI'm 124 in my region NA. 1 Protoss ranshaked 1,447 92 55 62.59% 21 hours 2 Terran Craig 1,350 120 106 53.10% 21 hours I am ranshak3d. Notice how far ahead of the #2 guy I am o.0 I don't get it. Are you playing against mostly bronze players? If so, then you are right where you should be. If you frequently lose to low level silver players, then Bronze is where you belong. If you are facing a lot of silver players, with somewhat even results, then you are likely to be promoted soon.
I'm playing only silver and high ranking gold players. I've been playing them for the past 2 weeks. I win 4/5 games too.
I feel like i'm just stuck
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I don't think you can really generalize if promotions take too long or short. From what I can tell, bronze league promotions happen very rarely if they don't occur in the first 10-20 games. My friend, who was completely new to rts, massed about 100 games in bronze and was doing very poorly until i gave him pointers and showed him the great one they call Day9. Now his macro has improved exponentially and I'd say his skill is in the gold-platinum range but despite winning 20 or so of his last 25 games, he hasn't been promoted. On the other hand, I see many people being promoted into diamond despite not really even having very good fundamentals. Anyhow. If anything I'd say they happen too quick with the exception of bronze league.
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On October 07 2010 08:12 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
Are you playing against mostly bronze players? If so, then you are right where you should be. If you frequently lose to low level silver players, then Bronze is where you belong. If you are facing a lot of silver players, with somewhat even results, then you are likely to be promoted soon.
I'm playing only silver and high ranking gold players. I've been playing them for the past 2 weeks. I win 4/5 games too.
The reason you are not getting promoted is most likely because the match making algorithm doesn't have enough confidence in your skill level. This may be because you're not consistent in beating opponents at particular skill levels. You may beat gold players, but lose to silver ones (or something similar), so your games appear to be contradictory in providing consistent results. When this is the case, it just holds off on promotions until it can somewhat accurately predict your wins and losses.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
On October 07 2010 08:28 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 08:12 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:I've been stuck at #1 in my bronze division for about a month now. I'm ranked almost in the top 100 in my region in bronze overall, and I keep winning. I just CANNOT be promoted o.0 http://sc2ranks.com/us/727024/ranshakedI'm 124 in my region NA. 1 Protoss ranshaked 1,447 92 55 62.59% 21 hours 2 Terran Craig 1,350 120 106 53.10% 21 hours I am ranshak3d. Notice how far ahead of the #2 guy I am o.0 I don't get it. Are you playing against mostly bronze players? If so, then you are right where you should be. If you frequently lose to low level silver players, then Bronze is where you belong. If you are facing a lot of silver players, with somewhat even results, then you are likely to be promoted soon. I'm playing only silver and high ranking gold players. I've been playing them for the past 2 weeks. I win 4/5 games too. I feel like i'm just stuck
my sympathies. your record alone shows you deserve to be promoted. i suggest playing or another week or two and if you keep running into silver/gold players and beating them without a promotion, contact blizzard. it might be a glitch with your hidden ELO rating.
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Are you playing against mostly bronze players? If so, then you are right where you should be. If you frequently lose to low level silver players, then Bronze is where you belong. If you are facing a lot of silver players, with somewhat even results, then you are likely to be promoted soon.
how can he played vs bronze league he has 1400 silver points , he should be matched with gold or plat players .
the ladder is flawed , ive said it before but an rl friend of mine got promoted with 51% win ration ( wich is bs ) and 650 points.
so its both flawed and division - league sensitive.
Maybe its luck sensitive as well but it doesnt make sense ;p
The reason you are not getting promoted is most likely because the match making algorithm doesn't have enough confidence in your skill level
this is another lame escusses .
The guy is at 63% win ratio and there guys who are getting promoted with 50% .
If he was loosing to silver ones he wouldnt have had 1400 points
If the matching system cant copy that this player should have been gold ages ago then its yet again flawed.
also if a player with 150+ matches and 63% win ration and first or second overall of all divisions in his league cant get promoted , how is possible that a guy who buys a new sc2 and wins 5 games been promoted to plat like asap.
Seems to me its bliizards way to say go get new copies win 5 games and be platinum thus increasing sales from the ladder whores.
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Patience, young ones. You will be put in your correct league eventually. Just give it some time and don't get butthurt over the fact that the system hasn't promoted you yet. Keep playing the game and learning.
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Lol someone ress´ed this thread and the OP seems to be Gold going to platinum pretty soon....
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Hey guys,
last week, i reach rank 1 plat, since i achieve that, betanet face me diamond players from rank 80 to rank 16, i win like 6/10 games of those. But still no promotion... and what is wierd all those matches are EVEN. How it could be even?
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Isn't it that the system is going to keep successively matching you against higher and higher people, so that it can find the right place for you in the league it wants to promote you into? And hence people seem to get promoted after they lose, since that when the system figures that it knows where you finally are. As long you're winning it won't promote you because it's not sure how far it needs to promote you in order to represent your skill level. non?
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Zurich15325 Posts
Can we just agree that the system makes absolutely no sense but for the vast majority of people it just works and instead of complaining about it just keep playing?
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I think promotions (and demotions aswell) should happen more often.
Here is why:
4v4 RT (i know, system has problems to get confidence) i got promoted to diamond with 44-10, which is a massive delay imho. Not promoting players with a 2-1 or 3-1 winratio is ridiculous, but waiting till a ratio of 4.4 - 1?
Maybe its just the problem that players are not able to "see" and understand how the rating system works, which is a clear result of putting leagues and ranks from 1-100 instead of saying: You are rank 8521 on the server.
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I can definately say that promotions do not take long at all.
I started playing terran as a new race (protoss was my main race) on a buddies account who does not 1v1. I threw my placement matches so I could start off in bronze with the thought that wherever I climbed to I deserved to be and didn't just "get lucky" in placement.
In 28 games (counting placement matches where I lost all 5) I climbed bronze> silver > gold > platinum. Never played more than 8 games before a promotion and was matched vs high Platinum-low Diamond lvl only opponents since silver league.
16-12 record currently; I don't think I'll be promoting to diamond any time soon. I was a low diamond toss with a 50% win/loss.
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One exception vs everyone else that has been placed in a timely fasion
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I swear, when I read this title I thought you were talking about unit promotions. :S
As it is, though, you generally shouldn't complain about things that aren't the real problems. Actual leagues don't matter unless you aren't playing people your skill.
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