EPTPromotions Take Too Long? - Page 7
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waffling1
599 Posts
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kasuya
Spain95 Posts
I would like a pro to test my theory like this.. " play 5 placement, make it to platinum, lose 6 games in a row, making it to 7 loses at least, and win the rest " if my theory is right, u should get promoted on ur game 22. Edit: it should apply for 2v2 teams too.. since the lowest in diamond played 22 games. | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
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The Touch
United Kingdom667 Posts
Do you think that getting a promotion to a higher league takes too long, or do you think it should be longer, or do you feel it is fine as is? Other - We should be able to see our hidden matchmaking ratings (or an approximation of them) so that we know how far we actually are from being promoted/demoted. I think the main most reason people (Not necessarily the OP) think they are overdue a promotion is because they're high up in their ladder division, but that's based on a points system that bears no relation to the hidden MMR, and it's the hidden MMR that decides whether you're being promoted or not. I was #1 in my silver league at one point (literally for a whole 1 game - I won to get #1, then lost and fell to #3 I think), and haven't been outside the top 10 since I got in there about 3 weeks ago, but clearly my MMR is insufficient for me to gain promotion to the gold league. I must be getting my wins (and therefore points) against silver- and bronze-quality players and losing to the gold-quality players. It's not that it takes too long; it's that I'm not good enough - but my high ladder position fools me into thinking that I'm closer to promotion than I actually am. If MMR (or its proxy) were the basis of ladder position, players would know exactly how much better they needed to get in order to gain promotion, and promotions would happen exactly as often as it appeared they should. It's the mistaken appearance of being better than we are, due to the ladder points system, that makes promotions seem delayed. | ||
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RinconH
United States512 Posts
I got placed in Platinum after 5-0 but 75% of the games I've played since have been vs. top 10 Diamond players. Seems like because I am in Platinum I should mostly be playing people in Platinum with a few lower ranked Diamonds thrown in but actually the hidden MMR is determining who I play. | ||
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Rhuidan
Canada7 Posts
I threw my matches for the 15 1v1 in a row achievement. I am currently 1400+ points rank 1 bronze, and I've been facing 90% diamond(mid rank) with the odd plat thrown in. My record is around 34 and 15~ (including the thrown matches), so I have lost 10 matches along the way but yet to be promoted. | ||
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kasuya
Spain95 Posts
Edit: and no, it doesn't need to be in a row, actualy, it shouldn't | ||
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Kryptix
United States138 Posts
On September 13 2010 10:53 Ryuu314 wrote: You only played 36 games. you're not gonna get promoted that soon. also, you get promoted based on consistency not so much winrate; you also get promoted all at once, rather than one league at a time. So for all you know, you may jump straight to gold or something once u do get promoted. It is definately not true that you only get promoted all at once... I went Bronze to Silver to Gold to Platinum to Diamond... It is true that your league really doesn't matter though, I'm ~800 Diamond and I still get Gold and Platinum opponents who are favored vs me sometimes... | ||
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japro
172 Posts
On my second account (playing random as opposed to terran) I was placed in silver but was again promoted from like rank 70 with about 200 points after 5 or 6 games to gold and had finally laddered up to 770 diamond via ~600 gold and ~940 platin (right before promotion) in 130 games. To me that looks reasonable... I guess there are extreme cases where it takes too long, but then I wouldn't "confuse" the system by trying to "trick" it with 7 loss streaks or anything like that. | ||
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Meldrath
United States620 Posts
On August 06 2010 12:01 Looc wrote: Do you think that getting a promotion to a higher league takes too long, or do you think it should be longer, or do you feel it is fine as is? I'm currently bronze (i bombed my placements because in beta i won all 5 and got placed in diamond and lost 15 in a row). I'm currently sitting in 2nd in bronze. I'm 20-12. 6 of which were placements (i accidentally quit two in a row). Now heres the fun part, if you were to look at my match history, the vast majority of my opponents are silver and gold even with some platinum and diamonds thrown in. I win most of these even beating a plat or two, yet i am not promoted. The person in 1st place in my league is currently sitting at 20-9 as i type this, and most of his opponents have also been gold players. Poll: How Do You Feel About Promotions? They're fine. (844) They need to be more often. (200) They need to happen less. (126) 1170 total votes Your vote: How Do You Feel About Promotions? (Vote): They're fine. There are so many things wrong with this post.. lets start with the first blaring falsehood. You don't win 5 placement matches and get into diamond the highest you can place into is platinum. Next becuase you have played so few games the system has no measure of your "true" strength as a player so it will give you a mixmatch of players judging you based on your success or lack of success at each range.. then it adjusts fire accordingly.. by the time you hit 100 or so games played it has a fair and accurate way to judge where you should be and have you placed there. People all the time bitch about getting placed against people in higher leagues.. this is a good thing.. your risking very little points for a bigger gain.. given you have less chance of success. BUT you will NEVER get better playing the same scrubs in your own league becuase they will do the same bogus allin's and cheese over and over again poorly executed by your local silver level player. | ||
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realiz3
9 Posts
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
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Arckan
243 Posts
Good luck, I've heard of people skipping a division (i.e.: Bronze -> Gold), but never confirmed it. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
I miss plat already T_T | ||
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Snicklefritz
Canada19 Posts
On September 14 2010 04:17 Meldrath wrote: There are so many things wrong with this post.. lets start with the first blaring falsehood. You don't win 5 placement matches and get into diamond the highest you can place into is platinum. Next becuase you have played so few games the system has no measure of your "true" strength as a player so it will give you a mixmatch of players judging you based on your success or lack of success at each range.. then it adjusts fire accordingly.. by the time you hit 100 or so games played it has a fair and accurate way to judge where you should be and have you placed there. People all the time bitch about getting placed against people in higher leagues.. this is a good thing.. your risking very little points for a bigger gain.. given you have less chance of success. BUT you will NEVER get better playing the same scrubs in your own league becuase they will do the same bogus allin's and cheese over and over again poorly executed by your local silver level player. Actually he said in the beta, and in the beta it was possibly to get straight into diamond league from your placements early in. Edit: Or maybe im thinking of before there was diamond.. | ||
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Height
United States53 Posts
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Kinky
United States4126 Posts
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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Trang
Australia324 Posts
On September 14 2010 03:36 Kryptix wrote: It is definately not true that you only get promoted all at once... I went Bronze to Silver to Gold to Platinum to Diamond... It is true that your league really doesn't matter though, I'm ~800 Diamond and I still get Gold and Platinum opponents who are favored vs me sometimes... No, it might be possible actually to jump more than 1 league at once. I assume we're talking about 1v1, but it's happened to me in 3v3. Just because it didn't happen to you, it does not make it 'defin[i]tely not true' --- nice logic you have going there. I was playing random 3v3. Had a bad streak of horrible team mates and was going at something like 8-10 while placing in Silver. Then from there I was owning left and right and got to 26-12. That's going 18-4 and I had no promotion. Out of 100 people in my division, there was only one other person with over 50% winrate, and that was a measly 12-11. And in fact most people in there had a 30-40% winrate. How could I be stuck in silver still? Especially when most of my opponents (who I was mostly beating) were all Diamonds and Plats. Then today I started losing. From 26-12, I went LWLWLWLLLW. On my last win it jumped straight from Silver to Diamond --- three leagues in one hit! I was surprised to say the least. I haven't heard of anyone jumping from Silver to Diamond in 1v1 yet though, I wonder if it's happened before. | ||
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