EPTPromotions Take Too Long? - Page 8
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
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Fizbin
Canada202 Posts
On August 06 2010 12:01 Looc wrote: Do you think that getting a promotion to a higher league takes too long, or do you think it should be longer, or do you feel it is fine as is? I'm currently bronze (i bombed my placements because in beta i won all 5 and got placed in diamond and lost 15 in a row). I'm currently sitting in 2nd in bronze. I'm 20-12. 6 of which were placements (i accidentally quit two in a row). Now heres the fun part, if you were to look at my match history, the vast majority of my opponents are silver and gold even with some platinum and diamonds thrown in. I win most of these even beating a plat or two, yet i am not promoted. The person in 1st place in my league is currently sitting at 20-9 as i type this, and most of his opponents have also been gold players. first off loc the placement match's 5/0 only put u in platinum league now not diamond like beta. second off if u tank ur placement match's and get stuck in bronze thats ur own fault. fact of the matter is even if u tank ur placement matchs then win 50 games in a row then loose a game u'll be matched up against harder and harder match's and be placed from gold into diamond. the only flaw in the system that i've found is having to lose to get promoted. other then thats its working as intended you see i tanked my placement matchs and after about 10 games or so it kept putting me against diamond players because my hidden mmr was doing what it was suppost too... i was kinda pissed because i wanted to newb stomp but i kept getting diamond players over n over. mind you i crushed the diamond players too but i wanted to fuck around and do things like mothership rush's and infestor rush's ect for fun. when i noticed all i was getting was diamond players i had to play standard instead of messing around. and after say 25 games i was put into platinum then 35 into diamond | ||
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Fizbin
Canada202 Posts
On September 18 2010 23:17 Dionyseus wrote: The promotions definitely takes too long. With my zerg account I'm at 99 percentile in platinum according to sc2ranks, over 900pts, with an over 50% ratio (132-117 atm), and I've beaten at least 7 diamond players who on average I think are around 600 pts but I've beaten some that are close to 800 pts, and still stuck in platinum. I've played well over 200 games. I'd much rather be a low ranked diamond than a high ranked platinum... i bet the reason ur not getting promoted is because ur not consistent. saying ur 900 in platinum is just saying uve used up all ur bonus pool. ur MMR is prolly mid-high platinum level and not low diamond level. therefor it will put u against mostly platinum players and sometimes diamond or gold. if u beat some 600 diamond player very rarely but loose to a bunch of platinum players its doing its job. lucky wins im guessing. so basically ur saying: my bonus pool makes me think im better then i am. 50% win ratio is garbage why arent i getting promoted. i've beaten a 600 diamond player doing a 4 gate or 7 pool. but i keep loosing late game to platinum players.... QQ | ||
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Grummler
Germany743 Posts
On September 18 2010 23:17 Dionyseus wrote: The promotions definitely takes too long. With my zerg account I'm at 99 percentile in platinum according to sc2ranks, over 900pts, with an over 50% ratio (132-117 atm), and I've beaten at least 7 diamond players who on average I think are around 600 pts but I've beaten some that are close to 800 pts, and still stuck in platinum. I've played well over 200 games. I'd much rather be a low ranked diamond than a high ranked platinum... You dont only need to beat 7 diamond players do become diamond leage, your win/loss ratio has to be more close to 50% playing against diamond than playing against plat or lower. Expample: against platinum: 55% win/loss against diamond: 44% win/loss the system wont promote you into diamond. Every now and then you will face diamond opponents, and you will beat many of them, but you still will be platinum leage. Of course i simplified a little, but i think you get my point. | ||
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Nalta
United States44 Posts
i think they're fine, cause now i feel challenged | ||
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wizard944
194 Posts
On August 06 2010 18:47 Dromar wrote: I'm guessing they would rather err on the conservative side of promotion, in order to avoid needless promotion/demotion cycles. Also, I'm sure nobody likes being demoted. "Congratulations! You're worse than we initially thought!" ya, I noticed that when you get promoted, it says, You have been promoted. However, when you get demoted, it doesn't say that, it says something along the lines of, Your placement has been reevaluated. I always thought this was kinda funny. How delicate do they think people's feelings are? | ||
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PaPoolee
United Arab Emirates660 Posts
On August 06 2010 12:06 Superiorwolf wrote: It is true that they don't happen enough though - didn't some players like incontrol and cauthonluck get stuck at platinum #1 for like 50 games or something ridiculous like that? this was the case with me until 3 days ago, i was stuck at #1 platinum with 960 points ++... the rank 2 was 860 ... thats 100 points + away from him! and i kept winning constantly for like 3 days with a win ratio of like 4:1 or something, until they decided to finally promote me! i was rank 1 platinum for about 9 days or so | ||
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morimacil
France921 Posts
Win against a guy of 200 rating: Same story. No idea what your rating is, we just know its above 200. You can get to great win-loss ratios like that. The system will know that you are really good, it just wont know exactly how good. Then, once you lose, the system knows. won against a 1700 rated opponent, and lost against a 1750 rated opponent? Aha! must be somewhere in between. Couple of games later, you get promoted, because the system finally found out what your rating was supposed to be. Think about it before you say its stupid. If someone is gold, and is winning, how do you know if he is platinum or diamond? Youll know if he loses to diamond players, if he just wins, its hard to know where exactly he is meant to be. | ||
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Phrentic
Germany9 Posts
I played 2v2 random 4:1 in placements and was put in platinum. The next 20 games I played about 6-15 or something like this allways against 2 other randoms in gold-platinum league. After qqing for losing all those games cause my mates sucked like hell I paused playing 2v2 for a weak, still in platinum. Today I played again and was only queued against arranged teams from bronze and silver league. I won 9 games in a row and then I lost one and got instant demoted to gold. My MMR must be increasing during the last game even if not that much, 10 wins must increase MMR more then one lose does decrease. At the point of demoting my ratio was about 18-16. So neither MMR nor win ratio was the reason I got demoted. It must be that I lost to a team that a platinum player would have defeated and nothing else. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
The number 2 guy is 80-74 How come I have a better w/l ratio and I've literally won 25 out of my past 28 games, yet I'm barely moving anywhere? | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On September 19 2010 00:54 ranshaked wrote: I lost all 5 of my placements, and lost 11 straight in bronze. I was ranked 99th for a while. I am now 62-42...Yet I'm only rank 5. The number one guy is 43-30 with 938 points, while I only have 782. The number 2 guy is 80-74 How come I have a better w/l ratio and I've literally won 25 out of my past 28 games, yet I'm barely moving anywhere? The system punishes people who lose a lot of games in a row, most likely to prevent abuse. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
On September 19 2010 01:16 Dionyseus wrote: The system punishes people who lose a lot of games in a row, most likely to prevent abuse. It sucks because I had never played an RTS game before and went straight into placements/ladder. I've learned extremely quick, and I've done very well lately...It sucks because I want to play against harder players. | ||
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0c3LoT
Canada162 Posts
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Zegu
Canada52 Posts
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On September 19 2010 00:05 Fizbin wrote: i bet the reason ur not getting promoted is because ur not consistent. saying ur 900 in platinum is just saying uve used up all ur bonus pool. ur MMR is prolly mid-high platinum level and not low diamond level. therefor it will put u against mostly platinum players and sometimes diamond or gold. if u beat some 600 diamond player very rarely but loose to a bunch of platinum players its doing its job. lucky wins im guessing. so basically ur saying: my bonus pool makes me think im better then i am. 50% win ratio is garbage why arent i getting promoted. i've beaten a 600 diamond player doing a 4 gate or 7 pool. but i keep loosing late game to platinum players.... QQ Just played 10 more games, logged all my opponent's records, including their last 5 games win/loss before our match: 1. win against PinkLightning zerg +13pts (even) platinum 908pts 152-138 lwlll 2. win against Twsty protoss +10 (even) platinum 832pts 146-141 wwwll 3. loss against Vitto protoss -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 827pts 94-81 wwwlw 4. loss against Zode zerg -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 625pts 38-32 lwlll 5. win against Cooltown protoss +15 (1 bonus even match) diamond 774pts 99-86 llwll 6. loss against Budwyzer protoss +13 (even) diamond 355pts 26-25 wwwlw 7. win against DiscoStu terran +13 (even) diamond 792pts 83-84 llwlw 8. win against Cursexist protoss +14 (even) platinum 576pts 38-23 lwwll 9. loss against Backz zerg -10 (even) diamond 848pts 108-100 lwwwl 10. loss against Lextasy terran -13 (even) platinum 931pts 82-72 llwlw | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On September 19 2010 02:44 Dionyseus wrote: Just played 10 more games, logged all my opponent's records, including their last 5 games win/loss before our match: 1. win against PinkLightning zerg +13pts (even) platinum 908pts 152-138 lwlll 2. win against Twsty protoss +10 (even) platinum 832pts 146-141 wwwll 3. loss against Vitto protoss -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 827pts 94-81 wwwlw 4. loss against Zode zerg -9 (opp slightly favored) diamond 625pts 38-32 lwlll 5. win against Cooltown protoss +15 (1 bonus even match) diamond 774pts 99-86 llwll 6. loss against Budwyzer protoss +13 (even) diamond 355pts 26-25 wwwlw 7. win against DiscoStu terran +13 (even) diamond 792pts 83-84 llwlw 8. win against Cursexist protoss +14 (even) platinum 576pts 38-23 lwwll 9. loss against Backz zerg -10 (even) diamond 848pts 108-100 lwwwl 10. loss against Lextasy terran -13 (even) platinum 931pts 82-72 llwlw Hm, so it looks like you're straddling the border between Plat and Diamond. I don't know if that's going to be enough to get you promoted. Seems like you'd have to be matched with Diamond players (or high MMR Plat players) a bit more consistently than you currently are. | ||
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Soulzityr
United States5 Posts
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On September 19 2010 03:40 Soulzityr wrote: As SC2 gets older, won't there eventually be more diamond leagues anyways as more and more people hit the roof of promotions? After a while it's all diamond leagues and fewer <diamond leagues, even though im sure there will be some people who stay below diamond and new people will keep getting the game. But the value of being in Diamond League is really low and gets lower every day, right? I don't think so. Globally the percentage of players in diamond league for 1v1 has remained around 7%. At the moment the global percentages are: Diamond 6.97% (82,497) Platinum 14.10% (166,938) Gold 18.97% (224,523) Silver 20.21% (239,238) Bronze 39.76% (470,653) If anything, I think that over time it will become harder and harder to get into diamond. A month ago when I was trying to get my terran account into diamond I kept getting matched with 300-400 point diamond players. Now with my zerg account i'm facing 700s, even some 800s. | ||
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VonLego
United States519 Posts
You're winning like mad, should you be promoted to silver/gold or should you go platinum? Diamond? The computer doesn't know yet because your MMR is still fluctuating greatly. CauthanLuck had this issue because he just simply never lost early on, you're having this issue due to never losing because you artificially placed yourself low. It's not fair to call out folks for being trolls when they are meerly pointing out the fact that you are coming from an odd position. You also made it very clear that you think the promotion process is poor due to not being fast enough. Now heres the fun part, if you were to look at my match history, the vast majority of my opponents are silver and gold even with some platinum and diamonds thrown in. I win most of these even beating a plat or two, yet i am not promoted. Honestly 95% of people will be in the right league after 25-30 games. I bet despite your uncompetitive/smurfing/lame ploy you'll see a promotion within 10-15 more games. Here is FAQ posted on blizzard forums that has some interesting stuff in it. It was likely linked somewhere in the 8 pages of the thread, if so ignore -- http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628075820 | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
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