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PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
August 04 2010 19:18 GMT
#341
Its unpopular not because of any flaw with the game; its because Blizzard is charging way too much per hour spent on the game (the new system they have prevents what PCBang owners just used to do, which is one copy would be sufficient for all your computers), so owners either don't even offer it, or charge way more to play it than they do Brood War, so consumers just opt to play BW.

MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
August 04 2010 19:20 GMT
#342
I am pretty sure sc2 doesn't suck. :|
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
August 04 2010 19:21 GMT
#343
On August 05 2010 03:00 ckw wrote:
Also, saying "Big money sponsors" only come from Korea is stupid. Maybe for BW but even in BETA US and EU had 3000$ tournaments bro, thats BETA! Just give it another half year and well have even bigger sponsors and Korea and BW will be left in the dust. Ah I can't wait to call Koreans the true "foreigners".

+ Show Spoiler +
Wishful thinking maybe, but the sponsor part is true

Arent there multiple tournaments sponsored by Intel?

I mean...come on, don't try to say that there isn't big sponsors
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
August 04 2010 19:21 GMT
#344
Haters and Starcraft "elitists" amuse me
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
August 04 2010 19:21 GMT
#345
On August 05 2010 04:20 MrMotionPicture wrote:
I am pretty sure sc2 doesn't suck. :|

It doesn't, people are trying to say a bad business decision by Blizzard has any affect on the gameplay


"LOOK THE KOREANS ARENT PLAYING IT BECAUSE ITS BAD!"
kmdarkmaster
Profile Joined January 2010
France188 Posts
August 04 2010 19:33 GMT
#346
Seriously I think that the mods should close this topic and every topics of the same kind.
Although there are people that speak reasons and wisdom, a lot of them are just SC2 or SCBW hooligans and the only thing they do here is bashing each other to death.
Translating a Korean news is great, but letting crazy people fighting over it is really... crazy.
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 20:23:14
August 04 2010 20:20 GMT
#347
why do so many people want sc2 to fail?
bw was only saved by the community.. If you want to compare vanilla SC2 to vanilla BW.
i think ull find that BW was a stinking pile of crap in terms of balance...(Vanilla) as it stands SC2 has a huge lift up without people needing to void from the bnet community to enter the scene.
and im not saying this to incite flame war. Just think a little before you post... also. Why dont we close this thread? seems to be alot of tense emotion in the air ~_~
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
August 04 2010 20:24 GMT
#348
On August 05 2010 05:20 FindingPride wrote:
why do so many people want sc2 to fail?
bw was only saved by the community.. If you want to compare vanilla SC2 to vanilla BW.
i think ull find that BW was a stinking pile of crap in terms of balance...(Vanilla) as it stands SC2 has a huge lift up without people needing to void from the bnet community to enter the scene.
and im not saying this to incite flame war. Just think a little before you post... also. Why dont we close this thread? seems to be alot of tense emotion in the air ~_~

Its classic nostalgia effect. You saw the exact same thing with Halo sequels, COunterstrike Source, etc

Pretty much any of the bashing on the actual game (there are problems with BNet 2) is just wildly inaccurate
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
August 04 2010 20:26 GMT
#349
On August 05 2010 05:24 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2010 05:20 FindingPride wrote:
why do so many people want sc2 to fail?
bw was only saved by the community.. If you want to compare vanilla SC2 to vanilla BW.
i think ull find that BW was a stinking pile of crap in terms of balance...(Vanilla) as it stands SC2 has a huge lift up without people needing to void from the bnet community to enter the scene.
and im not saying this to incite flame war. Just think a little before you post... also. Why dont we close this thread? seems to be alot of tense emotion in the air ~_~

Its classic nostalgia effect. You saw the exact same thing with Halo sequels, COunterstrike Source, etc

Pretty much any of the bashing on the actual game (there are problems with BNet 2) is just wildly inaccurate

I don't think people can make the connection that you cant enjoy things the same way you can when you were younger.
Cynoks
Profile Joined May 2010
United States87 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 20:32:35
August 04 2010 20:31 GMT
#350
"Gamespot along with several other news sites have reported that StarCraft II has sold 1 million during its first launch day and 1.5 million during the first 48 hours of its release. Because of its amazing launch success, Blizzard can now officially claim, as they have with this press release, that StarCraft II as the fastest selling Real-Time Strategy game of all time as well as the fastest selling PC game of 2010. An executive from Gamestop has also announced that StarCraft II is the fastest selling PC game of all time in Gamestop history. The new estimate for StarCraft II's potential sales is now 6.5 million within 2010." -Front page of another SC2 website

I love how this one paragraph pretty much says it all. Starcraft II is one of the best games out of this year and probably the next 5 years if not more. It's only going to get better as they start adding some of the promised features. People seem to get lost in their own complaining and forget that Blizzard continues to deliver quality products as well as the best post-release support I have ever seen. Most other game designers push out games and follow up with almost no support so they can start working on the next $50, I mean game.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 04 2010 20:32 GMT
#351
On August 04 2010 17:11 MockHamill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 16:47 BearsAreScary wrote:
Do people seriously think SC2 sucks because it has things that "require less skill" like MBS and unit AI that isn't unbelievably retarded.

I apologize for wanting a game where when I tell a group of stalkers to walk down a cliff, THEY DO IT and don't run across the whole map like idiots. Man, the elitist air from these BW people is really outrageous.

All this "mechanical skill" and "work" that you put into BW was literally just learning how to effectively spam APM: telling your units to do what you originally wanted them to do over and over, bugging them out with glitches to fly across mineral patches, make workers attack faster, etc.). How high you can get your APM up is not, in itself, a good or even decent measure of skill. Maybe if SC2 only took 50 APM to be pro at, I'd bite. But 150 APM compared to 300 and people are seriously freaking out?

SC2 requires a different set of skills, as has been said. During battles, your positioning and micro are much more important. Instead of your ability to micro being determined entirely by your APM in BW, now you have to actually do brainwork to determine what units you want to engage and how. Clicking faster no longer means a more advantageous situation. Now you must click more intelligently. You must ration your spells carefully, or wait to flank the opponent at the right time. It is precisely because you cannot salvage your lack of brainwork with a higher APM that makes SC2 as fantastic as it is.

But whatever, the BW elitists will never change their minds. They can have fun with their game, I suppose.


This. BW is the most overrated game ever. It was a fun game with a bad interface that got abused by a bunch of Koreans that trained themselves in the art of clicking fast. Maybe this time around matches will be decided by strategy and skill and not by which monkey can click the fastest.

We don't allow this kind of posting about SC2, nor do we about SC1.

A bunch of monkeys, really? You think it's coincidence the majority of good Sc2 players have a SC1 background =[?
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AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
August 04 2010 20:33 GMT
#352
On August 05 2010 04:15 FindingPride wrote:
didnt day9s launch event have like... 15k viewers? lmao.. I enjoy spectating.. its going to do good i think

I think HDH youtube channels having ~140k subscribers already says something... Even though I don't think they deserve it
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
August 04 2010 20:35 GMT
#353
I think what Blizzard did to Kespa and the SC1 pro scene rubbed a lot of Korean people the wrong way including me
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 20:40:44
August 04 2010 20:38 GMT
#354
On August 05 2010 05:35 Tazza wrote:
I think what Blizzard did to Kespa and the SC1 pro scene rubbed a lot of Korean people the wrong way including me

Ye. they hurt the pro scene so much.. with them making the game and all/
lmao
but i see your point. It could be a contributing factor to whether or not it hits off strong
Cynoks
Profile Joined May 2010
United States87 Posts
August 04 2010 20:46 GMT
#355
On August 05 2010 05:35 Tazza wrote:
I think what Blizzard did to Kespa and the SC1 pro scene rubbed a lot of Korean people the wrong way including me

Blizzard made the games. Why should Kespa or any one else for that matter be allowed to make an entire industry and profits off of it? Rather than debating with blizzard over rights for months they should have been happy blizzard would give them anything. With any other type of product an argument like that the Kespa side would have been flat out crushed.
afirlortwo
Profile Joined April 2010
United States161 Posts
August 04 2010 20:48 GMT
#356
With some more time and tweaking sc2 will be a very very good game, and will most likely completely replace bw. This scares people, because a. BW has been such a huge part of their lives for the past decade, and b. because bw is a much more mechanically challenging/better game. It effectively represents the closing of the bw era, which is bittersweet for many of us. Its sort of like blizzard gave us a good game to replace a great game. But who knows, with some time and effort, sc2 could turn out to be a great game too.
Just a momentary diversion on the road to the grave
xnub
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada610 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 20:51:38
August 04 2010 20:50 GMT
#357

On August 04 2010 17:11 MockHamill wrote:

This. BW is the most overrated game ever. It was a fun game with a bad interface that got abused by a bunch of Koreans that trained themselves in the art of clicking fast. Maybe this time around matches will be decided by strategy and skill and not by which monkey can click the fastest.


BW was and is a great game it hade a crazy good interface for its time and it was not just who could click the fastest LOL. There is alot of strategy in BW prob even more so then in SC2 right now for the moment. also koreans are just good at everything : P they don't abuse it LOL
Loving the beta !! Weeeeeeee
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 20:56:43
August 04 2010 20:56 GMT
#358
On August 05 2010 05:46 Cynoks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2010 05:35 Tazza wrote:
I think what Blizzard did to Kespa and the SC1 pro scene rubbed a lot of Korean people the wrong way including me

Blizzard made the games. Why should Kespa or any one else for that matter be allowed to make an entire industry and profits off of it?


Uh, why shouldn't they? You don't think that was a good thing to do, creating an entire industry?
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 20:59:42
August 04 2010 20:58 GMT
#359
On August 05 2010 05:56 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2010 05:46 Cynoks wrote:
On August 05 2010 05:35 Tazza wrote:
I think what Blizzard did to Kespa and the SC1 pro scene rubbed a lot of Korean people the wrong way including me

Blizzard made the games. Why should Kespa or any one else for that matter be allowed to make an entire industry and profits off of it?


Uh, why shouldn't they? You don't think that was a good thing to do, creating an entire industry?


And the primary part of that industry is the game itself. I'm not taking sides on the specific issue (I don't know exactly what Blizzard was demanding), but you're a fool if you think that Blizzard should just sit back and not take some well-deserved profits for an industry that profits solely from their game. They both deserve part of it, but Blizzard made the game - they deserve a notable part of it.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
August 04 2010 21:05 GMT
#360
this sounds like qq to me
Inventor of the 'Burning Tide' technique to quickly getting Outmatched Crusher achivement :D
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