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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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Loranga
Sweden83 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On August 04 2010 23:52 MightyAtom wrote: I wish that will be the case and it would be great if that happened. It would be great if the national banks of the US or EU became sponsors; Celebrities like Tom Cruise and Justin Timberlake were having a break playing SC2, if NBC and ABC made sub-stations broadcasting E-sports all day long, if you could impress a lot of hot random chicks or guys that you play SC2 and are Diamond, if the sports newspaper reported daily on the team trades and scandals between team managers, if there could be permanent e-sports stadiums in the major cities, and you got paid 60 to 100k a year by your sponsors. A lot of you don't get this one point. What is popular in your view, may not be mainstream society popular. Its a big difference. In America or the west, do you really think that playing SC2 will make you cool or add to your nerdiness (sorry to be blunt like that) while in Korea or in Asia, it may not be the case. Even China tries to follow the Korea E-sports model and they are probably the only other example except for Taiwan or Singapore which would have a chance to launch e-sports as something mainstream. Without the mainstream aspect you can't get the long term and high levels of sponsorship. No doubt that in the West SC2 will be huge and maybe once a year it will be the major papers for a huge tournament, maybe even 5 times a years and maybe this will last for the next 3 years, but after that without the mainstream support, its a bunch of nerds running around begging for sponsorship from video card companies (again sorry to be blunt). E-sports in Korea was always on a knife's edge in terms of sponsorship until about 5 years ago, before then only a few teams out of the whole had consistent sponsorship. It was extremely tough to establish in Korea. Now many people can look to the subcultures that are huge in the west like comic con, but again, its the level of what you consider to be e-sports and the sustainability (12 freaking years). I was with wcg when it first began in 2000 and 2001 and I worked with BattleTop in Korea, I helped established the first PC bang franchise in Canada and I worked with one of the biggest PC bang franchises in Korea and I've seen Giyom and Elky and Rekrul througout their entire career. I love to play, but I've always been on the industry side of things, and I'll tell you, I would love it if every country in the world had the potential to support a professional e-sports community, but, as a precedent only Korea has been proven to do so. I just got back from a trip to Taipei and met with Aztec marketing for their SC2 plans, and what they have is great, their entire set-up, in this gov't support youth center with a broadcasting studio, established leagues and 400 internet cafes supporting them and they are like less than 2% of what Korea is. What your definition of e-sports is and what e-sports in Korea is totally different on the scale; so I complete hope that you are right, but regardless of social aspect that because we're all considered nerds in the west to be devoted to this kind of game, my main point is: infrastructure is what allows e-sports to be what it is, otherwise, its just a bunch of amateur leagues and one off tournaments, nothing to make a real career out of. Now, I do have some insider information that there are some very major plans to provide this infrastructure for the west, and if can get by the social aspect of it, then great. But, I hope you get my point how tough it is. You guys shouldn't say, we don't need Korea. Even if it is popularized in the west and some how stabilized, where do you think the big money for the initial sponsorship is still going to be at, where the banks and major corporations have been shelling out millions of USD each year? Where is the west going to get all the data of how much return on e-sports will bring to their company? Korea. And if they say, 'well if its such a great sponsorship, why isn't Korea sponsoring SC2 now? ' What the hell you gonna say? Please people. You better get on your knees now an pray that Korea loves SC2 more than SCBW cause at least some of you guys could experience some of the most beautiful women on the world look at you with adoring eyes, at the very least. 'omg, you protoss player? I love you....' (sorry to be blunt ^^ I don't mean to use nerd in a negative way) The entire point is that popularity in Korea =/= popularity everywhere else. E-sports were more or less a complete joke in the west while they were mainstream in Korea. Just because Koreans accept SC2 (or don't) doesn't actually have much (if any) influence on western culture, and this is what we're saying. SC2 has the potential to really start the e-sports movement for the west, and so putting so much weight on if Korea likes it or not is pretty foolish because Korean culture doesn't influence western culture in that way. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 05 2010 02:02 -Archangel- wrote: Imagine your country is crazy about football and someone introduces and pushed football 2, what do you think it would happen? This really puts it all into perspective. I never even considered imagining a thing was another thing | ||
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Mannerheim
766 Posts
On August 05 2010 02:02 -Archangel- wrote: Imagine your country is crazy about football and someone introduces and pushed football 2, what do you think it would happen? That comparison only works if football 1.0 required you to wear silly beginning of 1900s clothes, and the ball was a stuffed goat bladder. | ||
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Psychopomp
United States237 Posts
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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Dr.Smoke
United States64 Posts
On August 05 2010 02:44 MangoTango wrote: I am getting sick of all these rage threads. SC2 is here, get used to it. Agreed. All that matters is that sc2 kicks ass, and its the new sc. end of story. There will always be a few holdouts wanting to play 20 year old games. Personally I lived through the days of bad graphics and glitchy game mechanics and am glad they are over. Super Mario Bros. was a great game, but its day is over, and so is BW. Just because some people will still play it doesn't change that fact. | ||
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Wishful thinking maybe, but the sponsor part is true | ||
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Seltsam
United States343 Posts
On August 05 2010 02:50 Dr.Smoke wrote: Agreed. All that matters is that sc2 kicks ass, and its the new sc. end of story. There will always be a few holdouts wanting to play 20 year old games. Personally I lived through the days of bad graphics and glitchy game mechanics and am glad they are over. Super Mario Bros. was a great game, but its day is over, and so is BW. Just because some people will still play it doesn't change that fact. No, you missed the point of his argument. He's saying that since SC2 sales were only REALLY high and not ABSURDLY high that the game is definitively poor (which is his completely objective and provable conclusion) and that it will provably not have a place in future esports (because he can predict the future). And the anonymous experts (the most trustworthy and reliable kind of experts) said that they can prove the sales weren't good enough based on how many people played it for free in one chain of internet cafes in one country. So obviously he is completely right in every regard ever. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On August 05 2010 02:44 MangoTango wrote: I am getting sick of all these rage threads. SC2 is here, get used to it. Look to some of us users who cant afford to get the latest graphic card will stick to broodwar . Why the hatred man ? You play your games and we will play ours I am not against starcraft 2 though as long as my favourite team's do not just die in a sudden manner I am happy at the way things are . | ||
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kiryah
Korea (South)65 Posts
On August 05 2010 03:00 ckw wrote: Also, saying "Big money sponsors" only come from Korea is stupid. Maybe for BW but even in BETA US and EU had 3000$ tournaments bro, thats BETA! Just give it another half year and well have even bigger sponsors and Korea and BW will be left in the dust. Ah I can't wait to call Koreans the true "foreigners". + Show Spoiler + Wishful thinking maybe, but the sponsor part is true 3000$ tournaments are a joke, no offense... | ||
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Justifer
107 Posts
On August 05 2010 03:03 Seltsam wrote: No, you missed the point of his argument. He's saying that since SC2 sales were only REALLY high and not ABSURDLY high that the game is definitively poor (which is his completely objective and provable conclusion) and that it will provably not have a place in future esports (because he can predict the future). And the anonymous experts (the most trustworthy and reliable kind of experts) said that they can prove the sales weren't good enough based on how many people played it for free in one chain of internet cafes in one country. So obviously he is completely right in every regard ever. Finally someone who gets it! | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On August 05 2010 03:00 ckw wrote: Also, saying "Big money sponsors" only come from Korea is stupid. Maybe for BW but even in BETA US and EU had 3000$ tournaments bro, thats BETA! Just give it another half year and well have even bigger sponsors and Korea and BW will be left in the dust. Ah I can't wait to call Koreans the true "foreigners". + Show Spoiler + Wishful thinking maybe, but the sponsor part is true lol, $3,000 dollars 'big money' :/ | ||
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DocSnyder
Germany137 Posts
On August 04 2010 17:20 Raiznhell wrote: Starcraft 2 has AMAZING gameplay and it's ladder system imo is a huge success cuz now you dont have to go on iccup and get your face smashed every single game. but the sound effects and the lack of adrenaline and the more clunky unit looks...cough cough marauders cough....completely ruin the game for watching. the sound effects of starcraft 2 are absolutely without a question GOD AWFUL. it's the only part of the core gameplay that i HATE. but the fact that sc2 is significantly slower in pace ruins it as well. like compare the collosus to the reaver as they both have similar function. reaver did the same job cept needed a shuttle(heartpounding adrenaline cuz shuttles die easily) and it's scarabs could kill like 8 scvs INSTANTLY, also scarabs could be outran which was fun to watch. im not saying take out the collosus and put the reaver back but starcraft 2 NEEDS these things like reavers, lurkers and spider mines that just make people scream with excitement. nobody jumps out of their chair going OOOMG! when they notice a banshee cloak and slowly fly over to the mineral line and pick of workers...one...at...a...time. sc2 units are no fun. if the developers TRULY wanted starcraft 2 to succeed they should either patch the game with better more original units and/or update the sound fx to at leats be as good as the original made 12 years ago? lol thats what baffles me about the sound fx is that it's 12 years more developed but sounds like garbage. watching the sound effect part of the behind the scenes DVD i inda wanted to smack the guy for ruining the game. cuz now that im on it starcraft 2 does have banelings and hellions that deal hefty damage instantly but their sounds and their animations are incredibly BAD. and honestly the hellion needs a better model too. i can ramble for ages on how terrible the background stuff is for starcraft 2 but the core gameplay of it is a success. is there any way to voice this to blizzard cuz i really care about the future of this game and would like it to be an fast, fun and exciting esport like BW Id have to disagree with youre complaints,all of them.Generally people like you are to attached to the original.WoW dejavu?I can remember the same kinda complaints from a year ago. I for one like almost all the VO,models and animations,thou sc1s are on top of their league. | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
sure everyone is entitled to there own opinions. but its like trying to pit flat earth theory vs sphere earth. seriously. this guy is a troll and i take what he says with a grain of salt | ||
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prosatan
Romania7986 Posts
I agree with this part: Korea will play BW and the rest of the world SC2 I will play BW | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
$3,000 for a game that wasn't even released yet. | ||
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shmoo
United States139 Posts
Sadly so are most of the people posting in this thread. $3000 prize pool during a beta is actually quite good, especially since that was from one company. There was a host of different tournaments that had payouts ranging from several hundred to several thousand. Most of those tournaments only had one sponsor and 8-16 players involved. I know starcraft or sc:bw didn't have prize pools that large in beta or in their early years. Thats rather good for a beta. As was already said, the game just came out, give it some time and see what happens. | ||
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