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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
August 04 2010 17:02 GMT
#301
Imagine your country is crazy about football and someone introduces and pushed football 2, what do you think it would happen?
Loranga
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden83 Posts
August 04 2010 17:08 GMT
#302
Let Korea have BW, the US and EU will have SC2
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 17:13:26
August 04 2010 17:10 GMT
#303
On August 04 2010 23:52 MightyAtom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 23:17 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 04 2010 23:11 MightyAtom wrote:
On August 04 2010 23:03 Volkspanzer wrote:
Seems there's enough folks out there that enjoy SC2 with or without great figures from South Korea.

It would be nice that the country that fostered the trail-blazers of professional E-Sports would do well with it. But whether SC2 is successful in S. Korea or not, does it really matter?

I have confidence that the game I enjoy will continue to get support from Blizzard and websites like this, and not because it's a forced idea, but because enough people like it.

Don't be scared or emasculated


Unfortunately or fortunately it does matter in the area of e-sports. I won't get into it here, but when SC2 gets momentum in Korea and you fall totally in love with the game and your dream is to visit Korea to watch or even one day play in the leagues here, then you tell me if it really did matter or not. ^^


No, it doesn't matter, because S. Korea doesn't have to be the end-all for e-sports. If SC2 can actually popularize e-sports in the west (an obvious goal for the game), then the importance of S. Korea will disappear because the west will enjoy e-sports as well.


I wish that will be the case and it would be great if that happened.
It would be great if the national banks of the US or EU became sponsors;
Celebrities like Tom Cruise and Justin Timberlake were having a break playing SC2,
if NBC and ABC made sub-stations broadcasting E-sports all day long,
if you could impress a lot of hot random chicks or guys that you play SC2 and are Diamond,
if the sports newspaper reported daily on the team trades and scandals between team managers,
if there could be permanent e-sports stadiums in the major cities,
and you got paid 60 to 100k a year by your sponsors.

A lot of you don't get this one point. What is popular in your view, may not be mainstream society popular. Its a big difference. In America or the west, do you really think that playing SC2 will make you cool or add to your nerdiness (sorry to be blunt like that) while in Korea or in Asia, it may not be the case. Even China tries to follow the Korea E-sports model and they are probably the only other example except for Taiwan or Singapore which would have a chance to launch e-sports as something mainstream. Without the mainstream aspect you can't get the long term and high levels of sponsorship.

No doubt that in the West SC2 will be huge and maybe once a year it will be the major papers for a huge tournament, maybe even 5 times a years and maybe this will last for the next 3 years, but after that without the mainstream support, its a bunch of nerds running around begging for sponsorship from video card companies (again sorry to be blunt). E-sports in Korea was always on a knife's edge in terms of sponsorship until about 5 years ago, before then only a few teams out of the whole had consistent sponsorship. It was extremely tough to establish in Korea. Now many people can look to the subcultures that are huge in the west like comic con, but again, its the level of what you consider to be e-sports and the sustainability (12 freaking years). I was with wcg when it first began in 2000 and 2001 and I worked with BattleTop in Korea, I helped established the first PC bang franchise in Canada and I worked with one of the biggest PC bang franchises in Korea and I've seen Giyom and Elky and Rekrul througout their entire career. I love to play, but I've always been on the industry side of things, and I'll tell you, I would love it if every country in the world had the potential to support a professional e-sports community, but, as a precedent only Korea has been proven to do so. I just got back from a trip to Taipei and met with Aztec marketing for their SC2 plans, and what they have is great, their entire set-up, in this gov't support youth center with a broadcasting studio, established leagues and 400 internet cafes supporting them and they are like less than 2% of what Korea is.

What your definition of e-sports is and what e-sports in Korea is totally different on the scale; so I complete hope that you are right, but regardless of social aspect that because we're all considered nerds in the west to be devoted to this kind of game, my main point is: infrastructure is what allows e-sports to be what it is, otherwise, its just a bunch of amateur leagues and one off tournaments, nothing to make a real career out of.

Now, I do have some insider information that there are some very major plans to provide this infrastructure for the west, and if can get by the social aspect of it, then great. But, I hope you get my point how tough it is. You guys shouldn't say, we don't need Korea. Even if it is popularized in the west and some how stabilized, where do you think the big money for the initial sponsorship is still going to be at, where the banks and major corporations have been shelling out millions of USD each year? Where is the west going to get all the data of how much return on e-sports will bring to their company? Korea. And if they say, 'well if its such a great sponsorship, why isn't Korea sponsoring SC2 now? ' What the hell you gonna say? Please people. You better get on your knees now an pray that Korea loves SC2 more than SCBW cause at least some of you guys could experience some of the most beautiful women on the world look at you with adoring eyes, at the very least. 'omg, you protoss player? I love you....' (sorry to be blunt ^^ I don't mean to use nerd in a negative way)


The entire point is that popularity in Korea =/= popularity everywhere else. E-sports were more or less a complete joke in the west while they were mainstream in Korea. Just because Koreans accept SC2 (or don't) doesn't actually have much (if any) influence on western culture, and this is what we're saying. SC2 has the potential to really start the e-sports movement for the west, and so putting so much weight on if Korea likes it or not is pretty foolish because Korean culture doesn't influence western culture in that way.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 04 2010 17:12 GMT
#304
On August 05 2010 02:02 -Archangel- wrote:
Imagine your country is crazy about football and someone introduces and pushed football 2, what do you think it would happen?

This really puts it all into perspective. I never even considered imagining a thing was another thing
Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
August 04 2010 17:12 GMT
#305
On August 05 2010 02:02 -Archangel- wrote:
Imagine your country is crazy about football and someone introduces and pushed football 2, what do you think it would happen?


That comparison only works if football 1.0 required you to wear silly beginning of 1900s clothes, and the ball was a stuffed goat bladder.
Psychopomp
Profile Joined April 2010
United States237 Posts
August 04 2010 17:22 GMT
#306
"Have you wondered why Activision/Blizzard quotes sales numbers minus asia? It's an underhanded ploy to add more hype to the fire before people realize what a bad game it really is."

Stopped reading there.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 04 2010 17:44 GMT
#307
I am getting sick of all these rage threads. SC2 is here, get used to it.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Dr.Smoke
Profile Joined July 2010
United States64 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 17:50:53
August 04 2010 17:50 GMT
#308
On August 05 2010 02:44 MangoTango wrote:
I am getting sick of all these rage threads. SC2 is here, get used to it.



Agreed.

All that matters is that sc2 kicks ass, and its the new sc. end of story.

There will always be a few holdouts wanting to play 20 year old games. Personally I lived through the days of bad graphics and glitchy game mechanics and am glad they are over.

Super Mario Bros. was a great game, but its day is over, and so is BW. Just because some people will still play it doesn't change that fact.
cHaNg-sTa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1058 Posts
August 04 2010 17:56 GMT
#309
Korea doesn't really jump on the hype bandwagon. It seems they play games that have been established as competitive and that's how their rise in popularity comes to be. Just because it has the Starcraft label in front of the "2" doesn't automatically make it an instant success.
Jaedong <3 HOOK'EM HORNS!
ckw
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1018 Posts
August 04 2010 18:00 GMT
#310
Also, saying "Big money sponsors" only come from Korea is stupid. Maybe for BW but even in BETA US and EU had 3000$ tournaments bro, thats BETA! Just give it another half year and well have even bigger sponsors and Korea and BW will be left in the dust. Ah I can't wait to call Koreans the true "foreigners".

+ Show Spoiler +
Wishful thinking maybe, but the sponsor part is true
Being weak is a choice.
Seltsam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States343 Posts
August 04 2010 18:03 GMT
#311
On August 05 2010 02:50 Dr.Smoke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2010 02:44 MangoTango wrote:
I am getting sick of all these rage threads. SC2 is here, get used to it.



Agreed.

All that matters is that sc2 kicks ass, and its the new sc. end of story.

There will always be a few holdouts wanting to play 20 year old games. Personally I lived through the days of bad graphics and glitchy game mechanics and am glad they are over.

Super Mario Bros. was a great game, but its day is over, and so is BW. Just because some people will still play it doesn't change that fact.


No, you missed the point of his argument.

He's saying that since SC2 sales were only REALLY high and not ABSURDLY high that the game is definitively poor (which is his completely objective and provable conclusion) and that it will provably not have a place in future esports (because he can predict the future). And the anonymous experts (the most trustworthy and reliable kind of experts) said that they can prove the sales weren't good enough based on how many people played it for free in one chain of internet cafes in one country.

So obviously he is completely right in every regard ever.
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 04 2010 18:04 GMT
#312
On August 05 2010 02:44 MangoTango wrote:
I am getting sick of all these rage threads. SC2 is here, get used to it.


Look to some of us users who cant afford to get the latest graphic card will stick to broodwar . Why the hatred man ? You play your games and we will play ours I am not against starcraft 2 though as long as my favourite team's do not just die in a sudden manner I am happy at the way things are .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
kiryah
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)65 Posts
August 04 2010 18:05 GMT
#313
On August 05 2010 03:00 ckw wrote:
Also, saying "Big money sponsors" only come from Korea is stupid. Maybe for BW but even in BETA US and EU had 3000$ tournaments bro, thats BETA! Just give it another half year and well have even bigger sponsors and Korea and BW will be left in the dust. Ah I can't wait to call Koreans the true "foreigners".

+ Show Spoiler +
Wishful thinking maybe, but the sponsor part is true




3000$ tournaments are a joke, no offense...
Justifer
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
107 Posts
August 04 2010 18:06 GMT
#314
On August 05 2010 03:03 Seltsam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2010 02:50 Dr.Smoke wrote:
On August 05 2010 02:44 MangoTango wrote:
I am getting sick of all these rage threads. SC2 is here, get used to it.



Agreed.

All that matters is that sc2 kicks ass, and its the new sc. end of story.

There will always be a few holdouts wanting to play 20 year old games. Personally I lived through the days of bad graphics and glitchy game mechanics and am glad they are over.

Super Mario Bros. was a great game, but its day is over, and so is BW. Just because some people will still play it doesn't change that fact.


No, you missed the point of his argument.

He's saying that since SC2 sales were only REALLY high and not ABSURDLY high that the game is definitively poor (which is his completely objective and provable conclusion) and that it will provably not have a place in future esports (because he can predict the future). And the anonymous experts (the most trustworthy and reliable kind of experts) said that they can prove the sales weren't good enough based on how many people played it for free in one chain of internet cafes in one country.

So obviously he is completely right in every regard ever.


Finally someone who gets it!
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 04 2010 18:07 GMT
#315
On August 05 2010 03:00 ckw wrote:
Also, saying "Big money sponsors" only come from Korea is stupid. Maybe for BW but even in BETA US and EU had 3000$ tournaments bro, thats BETA! Just give it another half year and well have even bigger sponsors and Korea and BW will be left in the dust. Ah I can't wait to call Koreans the true "foreigners".

+ Show Spoiler +
Wishful thinking maybe, but the sponsor part is true


lol, $3,000 dollars 'big money' :/
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
DocSnyder
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany137 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 18:15:01
August 04 2010 18:08 GMT
#316
On August 04 2010 17:20 Raiznhell wrote:
Starcraft 2 has AMAZING gameplay and it's ladder system imo is a huge success cuz now you dont have to go on iccup and get your face smashed every single game.

but

the sound effects and the lack of adrenaline and the more clunky unit looks...cough cough marauders cough....completely ruin the game for watching. the sound effects of starcraft 2 are absolutely without a question GOD AWFUL. it's the only part of the core gameplay that i HATE. but the fact that sc2 is significantly slower in pace ruins it as well. like compare the collosus to the reaver as they both have similar function. reaver did the same job cept needed a shuttle(heartpounding adrenaline cuz shuttles die easily) and it's scarabs could kill like 8 scvs INSTANTLY, also scarabs could be outran which was fun to watch.

im not saying take out the collosus and put the reaver back but starcraft 2 NEEDS these things like reavers, lurkers and spider mines that just make people scream with excitement. nobody jumps out of their chair going OOOMG! when they notice a banshee cloak and slowly fly over to the mineral line and pick of workers...one...at...a...time.
sc2 units are no fun.

if the developers TRULY wanted starcraft 2 to succeed they should either patch the game with better more original units and/or update the sound fx to at leats be as good as the original made 12 years ago? lol thats what baffles me about the sound fx is that it's 12 years more developed but sounds like garbage. watching the sound effect part of the behind the scenes DVD i inda wanted to smack the guy for ruining the game.

cuz now that im on it starcraft 2 does have banelings and hellions that deal hefty damage instantly but their sounds and their animations are incredibly BAD. and honestly the hellion needs a better model too.

i can ramble for ages on how terrible the background stuff is for starcraft 2 but the core gameplay of it is a success. is there any way to voice this to blizzard cuz i really care about the future of this game and would like it to be an fast, fun and exciting esport like BW


Id have to disagree with youre complaints,all of them.Generally people like you are to attached to the original.WoW dejavu?I can remember the same kinda complaints from a year ago. I for one like almost all the VO,models and animations,thou sc1s are on top of their league.
Damn i cant max this game:(
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
August 04 2010 18:09 GMT
#317
why isnt this guy banned or warned? he just called sc2 bad.
sure everyone is entitled to there own opinions. but its like trying to pit flat earth theory vs sphere earth.
seriously. this guy is a troll and i take what he says with a grain of salt
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
August 04 2010 18:10 GMT
#318
Haha, 3000 $ tournaments... this is not a valid argument for SC2!
I agree with this part: Korea will play BW and the rest of the world SC2
I will play BW
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 04 2010 18:10 GMT
#319
On August 05 2010 03:05 kiryah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2010 03:00 ckw wrote:
Also, saying "Big money sponsors" only come from Korea is stupid. Maybe for BW but even in BETA US and EU had 3000$ tournaments bro, thats BETA! Just give it another half year and well have even bigger sponsors and Korea and BW will be left in the dust. Ah I can't wait to call Koreans the true "foreigners".

+ Show Spoiler +
Wishful thinking maybe, but the sponsor part is true




3000$ tournaments are a joke, no offense...


$3,000 for a game that wasn't even released yet.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
shmoo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States139 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 18:13:59
August 04 2010 18:12 GMT
#320
On August 05 2010 03:05 kiryah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2010 03:00 ckw wrote:
Also, saying "Big money sponsors" only come from Korea is stupid. Maybe for BW but even in BETA US and EU had 3000$ tournaments bro, thats BETA! Just give it another half year and well have even bigger sponsors and Korea and BW will be left in the dust. Ah I can't wait to call Koreans the true "foreigners".

+ Show Spoiler +
Wishful thinking maybe, but the sponsor part is true




3000$ tournaments are a joke, no offense...

Sadly so are most of the people posting in this thread.

$3000 prize pool during a beta is actually quite good, especially since that was from one company.

There was a host of different tournaments that had payouts ranging from several hundred to several thousand. Most of those tournaments only had one sponsor and 8-16 players involved.

I know starcraft or sc:bw didn't have prize pools that large in beta or in their early years.

Thats rather good for a beta. As was already said, the game just came out, give it some time and see what happens.
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